Gorean is it all negative?

I liked Desmond's story too -

But I don't think they will sell a slave girl to a non SL Gorean.

Of course not. And my point wasn't to make fun of goreans or slave-girls. I respect people for what they do in SL. They're making the virtual world a more interesting place. What I don't like is when people act like they're all high and mighty and better than others because of what they're doing. Goreans seem particularly susceptible to this notion of superiority. On their own sims, it's their sandbox, they can do as they please. I just don't like the attitude I've encountered in other, non-gorean sims. That's a generalization, I know, but that's how I feel. I don't like being made to feel like I'm inferior just because I choose to enjoy SL in a different way than they do.

Great point!

Gorean Role-play is inherently no better than any other role play.

Star Trek Role Play for example is no less important.

In fact its kinda like the Trekkie version of online BDSM.

Except Shatner is a slightly better actor than most Gorean Males. Slightly.

You make. a good. point!

Exactly. This could have been fixed, had the escorts gotten proper training in the Needs Dance.

But point well taken about self-esteem. There must be kajirae who've not yet figured out that they're the only one in the whole damn city who's read a word of John Norman, and that one of their duties is to explain to the Ubar in OOC IM why there's a hidden nest of giant golden insects up in them thar hills.

We abolished slavery a looooong time ago (liberty is in our avatar rights). So strictly speaking, no - I'd really never do such a thing.

Sure, a gal can gift anything to anybody, show love as she wishes, whatever. On her terms, in any style she wants. But when it comes to anything like land title, freedom of speech or harassment, a "master's orders" carry less weight than breaking wind in Caledon.

* * * * *

Colette, they won't sell to a non gorean? What if I was like, say, Desmond of GOR??

I could get some leather clothing, a hulking weapon, learn a few phrases and act all serious - would that work?

I'd only need to pull it off for what, a day maybe. Just long enough to do the deal, and find some contacts in FurNation...

Hey, anyone know of a place where I could get a cage on a palanquin, four footmen and a bunch of pillows?

Not That I Would Do This, of Course...

Gor Blimey!

I think you better read what I said again Qie

more Slave girls complain more about not getting any than escorts.

Ill put it much easier - in general -

More men pay escorts for sex, then take sex for free from slave girls.

When the Masters are gone do you think the Slave girls are discussing the nuances of gorean politics?

ROFL.

Yes, but I chose to interpret that as being a problem with the escorts lacking a whole RP genre in which "complaining about not getting any" is an artform.

I'm not going to impersonate a Green Caste, too, and speculate on potency problems of Gorean Masters. (Well... at least not in this post.)

Ahh i see

Sorry they complain OOC too

that better ?

Given that Gor is basically fascism with sex scenes, is that really so surprising? It's all about believing yourself to be part of some special group who are innately superior to others. Even the slaves think that way, which is odd because Norman quite clearly has serious issues with women and wants them to accept their own inferiority. Gor is self-perpetuating in terms of the superiority thing, seen in the instant dismissal of dissent as "you don't understand our ways" or loltastic claims to be an oppressed culture. The basis of Gor is glorification of bad manners and prejudice, so it's not really shocking that it makes people arrogant and self-satisfied.

Yes, but how do you *really* feel?

Roughly the same as I would about people happily roleplaying genocide.

This thread actually has a high interest factor for me as I'm trying to learn as much about Gor as possible. My SO in SL is a Kajirea in one of the Gor Sims and I'd like to learn a little bit more about it so I can kinda share it with her (not me actually RPing but her being able to talk to me about her day) I thought about participating once and visited and put on the Visitor tag, but even with said tag they demanded I take off my Wings, which I take off for NO ONE. Even my SO knows not to ask me to take them off.

I can understand if I was RPing and stuff, but I was there to try and learn what it was. I even explained to them I had no intention of participating ever and just wanted to learn so I could better relate to my girl but they insisted that before they would talk to me I had to remove the wings... So I left. I'm still interested in learning, I'm just avoiding the Sims to learn from.

Yes, some RP groups are very strict in what appearance avatars will have on their Sims, even Visitors. I haven't been to one that has required any other than the Human Avatar I use, but if I were to go into one, I would comply.

I'm never sure if it's about controlling other people or just that they have no imagination for pretending other people aren't there/don't look "different." Because it's only the Goreans that do that -- for all that my human appearance doesn't fit a Furry sim I've never been made to put on ears and a tail to talk to an anthropomorphised cat. There's trying to keep to a theme and then there's being difficult and hostile to outsiders.

Well, if adding sex scenes to fascism is wrong, then by God, I don't want to be right! Or a fascist. Nice stealth Godwin, BTW. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that people are happily roleplaying genocide in SL. Didn't we have some thread a while back on Nazi uniforms?

Anyway - the attitude isn't really surprising, but it's still annoying. I've seen it in other contexts that have nothing to do with Gor from other people and it's equally annoying there, so I guess I shouldn't single out Gor. SL is a pretty wide open frontier, and the world doesn't revolve around any one group, no matter how much they would like to think it does. In fact, now that I think on it a little, the world doesn't really revolve at all, does it? How do we pull off night and day?

You come off very superior in these posts of yours in this thread.

And really, selling the slave girl so she might end up as food in a furry sim? Really? That is what you came up with (and the mailbox, etc.)?

That just disgusts me.

Reputedly Norman did it as a joke and then was embarassed to be taken up like this. REPUTEDLY. Didn't stop him writing any more though, if true.

Fascism with sex scenes. That's funny. I am SO stealing that line!

I quote this for truth. MAJORLY so.

I had an encounter with a 'Master' in a pg sim before even knowing what Gorean meant. He was totally in character and it put me off ever wanting to RP in a Gor sim, (I googled it). He 'shouted' at me and was very scornful. I've never had encounters of this sort with any other RPer. I did have a conversation once with a guy wearing a Star Trek uniform. We debated best series and captain... Not once did he insist I call him Data. We weren't in a Trek sim.

To be fair, as I understand it, role playing 'Master' with someone who's clueless in a non-gorean sim is probably frowned upon.

To me, no matter what he called himself in his profile, he simply was an intellectually stunted individual. Someone who couldn't even master the intricacies of human interactions in a pg sim.

I didn't say she should end up as food in a furry sim. I said she should be the target for weapons testing.

I did say they should turn her into a human mailbox post, though. That one was all me.

I've been disgusting women since the mid 70's - shortly after my birth. At first it was just my mom and sister, sometimes grandma and a few random aunts on Thanksgiving, but once I hit school and branched out to disgusting women of all ages and from all walks of life, there was no looking back.

I am, however, sorry I disgusted you.

I was trying to disgust Brenda and maybe Oryx, Lindal or Love. You were a casualty of friendly fire.

Edit: I've given up on trying to disgust Cherry - she's out of my league.

I'm not entirely sure if that's a compliment or an insult.

Sad fact.

People who know about the intricacies of BDSM = rare. RARE! Gold dust ...

People who like to randomly act like asshats = sadly very common.

the ones that make me laugh are the ones who name their Av's Master

so they are like Master Master?