SL5B - No Kid Avatars, please!

i know that person in world and ive never seen her behave in any way other then pg. Being tolerate for the roleplay of other adults doesnt automatically mean you are engaged in the activities as well.

but i can tell you right now sexual ageplay still exists it was simply pushed underground or avatars were made taller to accomodate it. in fact, Lindens themselves removed the ban on sexual ageplay and you can see it the most popular bdsm areas in Second Life.

only they use adultish avatars and words like "completely innocent" or "babygirl" just to name a few. and is that so fucking evil? please tell me when being feminine was a crime or submissive. purity of heart. gee yeah thats super scary guys. if you are not 7 foot tall SLUT WHORE low class trash offering it easy to every male in sl you just arent acceptable. some people really are in touch with their own innocence and inner children and if that makes them criminals i am guilty too.

ive given up my small avatar and tried really hard just to assimilate into the borg and you know thats all it is. fucking mindless sheep scared out of your wits by anything beyond your comprehension. but as hard as i try just to fit in im not tall enough i look or act too sweet too young somehow. regardless of what i wear or what i do. not accepted anywhere. not allowed to participate in anything. banned from places while wearing my adult avatars simply because of prejudice. its really so interesting for me to be banned wearing avatars that are taller then i am in rl.

the ageplay community should have stuck together and defended eachother's basic rights as players, as human beings. partnered people who are married in sl being warned suspended banned while Linden labs goes thru chat logs to find roleplay evidence of guilt. fucking roleplay. not even real. roleplay. and i heard child accounts are being banned now in mass pending proof of rl age regardless of whether an account is age verified or not. How classic is that?

Dolcett anyone? Furries? you think this is the end? this is only the beginning, and whats happened here with this event is just a case of karma for the ageplay community for not sticking up for their rights as paying residents. you acted like big babies and turned on your own kind and cut off your own genitalia in order to preserve your own agenda in sl. This is what you get. and you wont find one person in sl who isnt deviant or weird in some way inside their own inner lives or thoughts. so how safe do you really feel?

Someone in this thread had the sheer audacity to suggest we cant tell cartoons from rl and need to be protected from ourselves. ive said it before and i will say it again. jesus how insulting to the intelligence and sanity of every resident who participates in this platform to think we will somehow magically become confused about what is acceptable in your mind, inner dreamscapes, own dynamic creativity and what is acceptable in rl actions.

and here is the iciing on the cake. all this negative attention about child avatars . . all the media stories about the seedy side of sl . . all of it has now contributed to a noticeable influx of real life predators who are drawn specifically into sl ageplay community in the hopes of finding real children when there are none there, only adults. and the ageplay community can no longer absorb these people and weed them out because the publicity never ends and its becoming a huge self filling prophecy that the ageplay community including sexual ageplayers never even contributed to or wanted.

everyone bashing ageplayers have actually taken something very innocent at its core and turned it into something very ugly on a real life level so thanks for that. thanks for ruining sl for an entire community of people.

Desmond has earned respect and trust as a voice of reason time and again. Which, in this case, has put him in an enviable easy position: He has well-stated principles he has stuck to before, and can do so again.

The problem is, ostensibly so does Linden Lab. They have stated their position in the ToS and community standards. Whether you agree with specific points in it or not, it describes what is ok and what is not.

-Except, evidently, it does not. Whether it is down to specific Lindens’ tastes, or fear of bad media coverage, something which is clearly ok according to the ToS has been excluded from a celebration billed as showcasing (sub)cultures.

I do not usually advocate biting the hand that feeds us, but Linden Lab needs to be made aware that this picking and choosing based on personal taste *is not ok*. If they do not want child avatars on the grid (or furries, or BDSM’ers), ban them according to ToS (and take whatever repercussion that causes). If they are ok according to ToS, they are also ok in a showcase about subcultures in SL.

If LL does not dare having an exhibition showcasing all the diverse weirdness in SL, that is a perfectly reasonable business choice as well, really. Then they could make a birthday celebration themed around… education, the color yellow, whatever.

The problem is having an official event about (sub)cultures, and then banning subcultures which are perfectly within the ToS.

people using child avatars in sexual situations did that to the other child avatars. your finger pointing is misguided.

you have a child avatar?

didn't you recently have a dream that your callign was to try to start a whole new porn sim or something? people who engage in sexual acts in SL really should not be outspoken on behalf of age-players, as it makes the age-players look bad.

roleplaying adult-child sex is against LL policy and most laws in most countries. doesn't matter who you are or who your married to in RL.

just because im a kid sometimes in sl doesnt mean i am all the time dumbass. im still an adult female in real life and last time i checked i was active sexually? you want me to feel bad about myself as a woman? die in hell. i stand behind everything i said and think you are the sick one not me

hit a nerve? LOL

i don't roleplay adult-child sex with my RL husband. 65%+

you didnt hit a nerve at all you are only displaying your sheer stupidity to suggest because i play a kid or a robot or a chicken in sl on occasion that automatically makes me guilty of some imaginary crime. when in fact im just a nice grown up female in rl. well believe what you want. its people like you who have complete destroyed what this platform represents and i resent your presence.

Oh, by the way, a JIRA issue has been filed on this - https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-1231

This latest update certainly breaks existing content, and was not mentioned in the release notes. Perhaps we need a version roll-back?

i quoted YOU. LOL you implied that as an adult woman it should be okay to roleplay with your RL husband in any fashion you please. you said it, not me. Same Swan, different day.

QFT

no you didnt even comprehend anything i said and are throwing around accusations like a jackass. and yes i do believe people should be allowed to have private intimate relationships that are committed and consensual in sl or rl or anywhere else. its a human right i hold really dear and you would too if you understood anything i said. but im not wasting any more time on you because you are a complete troll and have nothing to add to the discussion other then insults and accusations against grown adults you dont even know.

you've admitted that if you and your RL husband want to roleplay child-adult sexual acts, that it should be okay.

yeah sure aside from the fact that im not married but ok whatever you say.

p.s. sexual ageplay and art depictions etc are not even illegal where i live just for the record. just so you understand how little i care about what youre saying.

ok. so you are not married.



so you admit that if two consenting adult, or someone and their RL spouse/SO want to roleplay child-adult sexual acts, that should be okay.

thats not even what sexual ageplay is. its not trying to fantasize about raping rl children. im pretty sure its been explained to you before but you really like the idea of it some criminal behavior involving or promoting child abuse so i cant really help you. youve chosen to discriminate and villianize adults you dont approve of regardless of facts or truth. you are believing what you choose to believe despite the truth being readily available to you. you need to take a closer look at yourself, more honest look at why you respond to this in such a reactionary way.

its not my fault you are confused about what other grown ups do that is completely legal. and i have not ever engaged in any sexual ageplay in rl or possessed any illegal pornography or ever harmed a child in any fashion in rl. ever. ever. and im still defending ageplayers. i think you are really profoundly wrong about how you look at the entire issue and need to learn to tolerate other adults instead of pushing your morality and value system on them. i think its sociopathic behavior to expect others to bend to your will when its not even your place to decide for them.

ok. so you are not married, and sexual ageplay and "art" depictions are not illegal where you live.





so you admit that if two consenting adults, or someone and their RL spouse/SO want to roleplay child-adult sexual acts, that should be okay in Second Life.

wow youre really stupid

i already said yes i think it should be ok as role play because its cartoons and not a real life representation of children and also because its a form of D/s and a number of other reason i have no problem with it. i dont care if adults on the grid want to have robot sex or screw chickens. do you understand? im not confused about whats real or not and so i dont perceive any threat to anyone and feel no need to villianize people in sl for their goofy roleplay. to be honest im more concerned with people like you who seem to be so confused about whats even going on. people who rage against and freak out on other adults because you dont get it. its absurd. i dont get dolcett and i dont hang out in those places but what do i care if they want to have a bbq.

so kiss my ass ok

case closed. i have nothing further to add.

yeah i didnt think so cuz you know im right

I don't think that's a good point of view, though.

Most RL communities would not allow, for example, a BDSM display at a culture fair. That does not mean that they would take action to ban people engaging in BDSM in their own homes. Some degree of public/private distinction is necessary for everyone's freedom to remain.

The problem in this case is an activity that's normally publically OK being banned in public because of its association with something else.

Agreed to this especially. On one hand the idea that non-sexual, rp Children Avi's, are unable to be contributors, is discriminatory and obnoxious, on the other hand, It may be expediently practical at this time, for LL to take this position (if what is being stated is accurate) if this is the kind of event that will be covered by media. If there is any future media or political storm, LL would want to distance themselves from this.

The issue is not going to go away and for people at large to be able to distinguish Non-sexual Rp Child Avi's FROM, sexual predators and those who are obsessed with child sex, some education would be needed. No series of sound bytes or card carrying "Boogerheads," marching on Washington, could ever adequately state a position or educate kneejerk masses, effectively, so that others new to the idea of non-sexual rp child avi's could make the distinction. Maybe Video explanations of the issue on youtube would be a better forum for educating people about the difference.

At any rate I think making a contentious, public issue of this prohibition right now inisde SL, would not help things.

All in all I would have hoped LL would have done more to police SL efficiently and to verify ages legitimately, and other such steps, as a major priority years ago.

It's almost surreal, that acceptance of Role Playing, social norms will become part of culture. for people to feel that they have liberty and acceptance. The thing is, Liberty has limits. Even the predators claim they have rights to do what they do and clearly society disagrees.

Another factor, is the nature of SL itself, when essentially unpoliced. Does anyone disagree that predator types or other dangerous deviant types, would be attracted to SL as a stomping ground to browse around in?

It would be interesting to know what percentage of SL participants are actually sexual predators or sexually violent types? What percentage of those predator types, use Child Avi's.....and what percentage of SL residents are into non-sexual Child Avi RP? Only some kind of private, anonymous, survey could answer that and it would be hard to get accurate results.

I think you must mean something else. I've never heard of a law that made it illegal for a married couple to role play adult-child sex with each other.

if you broadened your definitions and labels and catagories for human beings none of this would even be an issue at all. but as usual, its lost on you Rebecca.

kettle ...black ...hm?