one part of this whole discussion I am not quite sure I understand -hearsay and someones opinion that someone at the lab said in essence they are not going to put their stamp of approval on child avatars by allowing them to be represented in the exhibit and to them that may also mean they may not be allowed to attend.
Is there anywhere this is posted somewhere as a directive from Linden Lab themselves, like from a Linden as total fact and not just opinion of hearsay?
Just curious.
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05-30-2008 12:02
They can attend, they just won't be represented in the exhibits like so many other subcultures in SL aren't either. No offense to anyone, but I don't get what's so special about child avies that they *have* to be included because otherwise it's not a representation of what SL is all about and "discrimination"? If there are no neko exhibits (to pick a random subculture), would you call that discrimination? I see dozens of nekos every day, *everywhere* compared to maybe 6 child avies total in 2 years and most of those have been at office hours. Kitty with this I belive they were told they CANT have an exhibit because they are child AV's I've looked for the Lindens to comment on this but as usall they havnt..dont think they will either _____________________
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05-30-2008 12:03
Exactly. It's all about direction for LL. They still have this fantasy that in time they will grow beyond being PRIMARILY a source of recreation, into a platform for business and education. If they succeed I'd be very surprised, but until they realize it's unlikely (not that virtual worlds won't become this in time, they most certainly will, I just doubt SL will be the one that succeeds, due to it's cartoonish appearance), the good of the community will always come last. However, if they ever get it in their heads to beat out WOW as an entertainment platform, the sky will be the limit and we residents will become important again.
I'd like to say I'm surprised by this, but I'd be lying if I did. LL's main drive isn't the community. It's the platform that they feel they need to preserve. If they had cared the least little bit about the community, they'd have left the general discussion forum open, they'd have a response team of Lindens stationed at each welcome area to help keep griefing under check while new users get settled and they'd go back to holding town hall meetings. There are a lot of things they could have done to protect the community that simply aren't going to be done. Frankly, while they could open the general discussions forum, there really isn't much they can do about the rest. They don't HAVE the manpower to do it, not when compared to the huge number of users that enter the world every day. So they have to settle on the realistic: Protect the platform and company. Linden Labs only create the platform. WE create the community. |
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Tali Rosca
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05-30-2008 12:04
They can attend, they just won't be represented in the exhibits like so many other subcultures in SL aren't either. No offense to anyone, but I don't get what's so special about child avies that they *have* to be included because otherwise it's not a representation of what SL is all about and "discrimination"? If there are no neko exhibits (to pick a random subculture), would you call that discrimination? I see dozens of nekos every day, *everywhere* compared to maybe 6 child avies total in 2 years and most of those have been at office hours. They don't *have* to be included. But they should have the option, if some of their builders want to contribute to the exhibition. (Which they did, and traditionally have). LL didn't say, "sorry, we don't have enough room for all of you, and drawing straws, nekos and child avatars are out". They have declared that "we do not want to be associated with child avatars, so don't even bother applying". And yeah, if they did that to nekos, I'd be pretty upset, too. |
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Katie Singh
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05-30-2008 12:08
SL Children have been part of this celebration for years. We're a very organized community. Part of the entire reason for the exhibit has been to explain what we are and what we're not. Last years build was absolutely amazing.
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05-30-2008 12:13
Looks like they have went down that slippery slope.
So LL are willing to take the money from the folks using the child AV's but then they slap them in the face with this 5 year shindig? I'm sorry, they can take their "celebration" and shove it where the sun dont shine. It will probably be a badly ran lagfest joke anyway and i bet theres residents out there who could do a far better job (and probably WILL do) of making their own 5 year event in their own sim. _____________________
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05-30-2008 12:20
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Kitty Barnett
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05-30-2008 12:29
They don't *have* to be included. But they should have the option, if some of their builders want to contribute to the exhibition. (Which they did, and traditionally have). Do you mean: child avie builders can't contribute in any way? Or: no builder can contribute anything that relates to child avies? (Or something else still?  )If it's the first then yesh, that's rather shallow and wrong. For the second, iono, they're donating the sims (I think?) and if they feel it's going to represent their corporate image and want to distance themselves from something they feel might reflect negatively on them I personally don't think that's that unexpected. It's likely to only get worse the more mainstream and known SL gets. Might be a lesson for next year not to count on LL's donation of sims. They can do their own sanitized bland exhibits on their sims and residents can have a resident run exhibit on sims that are being paid for. |
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Meghan Dench
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05-30-2008 12:31
Id just like to say that child avatars will not be permmited to have an echibit in this years event, but will be allowed to access the event. Access wont be denied.
This makes me very sad, and I honestly feel that it is a real shame. I will be personaly contacting the Lindens involved in this. Meghan SL5B Liason _____________________
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Whimsycallie Pegler
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05-30-2008 12:35
Child groups specifically Second Life Children are not being allowed to contribute a build. They have contributed one for the last several years. Maybe since the first celebration. I am not sure if it was the first or second.
I also know at least one of the Harry Potter Role Play groups has applied and not heard anything. They may be denied also since much of thier Role Play revolves around students. |
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05-30-2008 12:40
I also know at least one of the Harry Potter Role Play groups has applied and not heard anything. They may be denied also since much of thier Role Play revolves around students. Er.. And trademarks/copyrights? _____________________
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05-30-2008 12:43
If there are no neko exhibits (to pick a random subculture), would you call that discrimination? I see dozens of nekos every day, *everywhere* compared to maybe 6 child avies total in 2 years and most of those have been at office hours. If there were no neko exhibits, I'd just think there were no neko exhibits. If somebody at LL said "we're not allowing a neko exhibit" that would be a different thing. _____________________
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05-30-2008 12:48
I've read through most of the previous pages of this thread *ow!*
It would be cool if some of the groups who have got builds in the party somehow acknowledged the absence of the kids' build. I don't really know what that might entail, but it might be nice to see. (Not that I'll see it. Whenever one of these big events is held I have a hard time moving around if I can even get in.) _____________________
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05-30-2008 12:59
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05-30-2008 13:03
I have to say, when I originally saw the blog post for SL5B and they were encouraging Gor and BDSM groups to contribute, I was very incredulous. It just didn't sound like the LL I knew. In a way it's most reassuring to see they are still the Politically Correct Bastards they have always been.
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05-30-2008 13:04
I personally am not part of the children/kidz scene but thinks SL is richer for their part.
I have seen some around on their trikes and skateboards and personally thought that it brings the place to life. SL without critters would be sterile and unreal and to be honest I would like to see secondlife evolve to the next level,where RL 2 and 3 year olds were involved on the main grid,lose the teen grid entirely. This is an awesome platform for education of all ages. Thought should be from LL to segregate areas by age. I will take no part in SL5B. |
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05-30-2008 13:09
I don't have a child avatar and don't want one, and I care as much about RL children and their welfare as anyone, but I also have an instinct for when a line has been crossed that should not be crossed. LL has crossed such a line. I do not intend to participate in this SL5B event or attend it as long as it excludes from participation any Resident in good standing no matter what form their avatar takes. I'm not a big believer in boycotts, but a person has to stand up, and this action by LL really pisses me off. I urge everyone to cancel their participation and avoid attending the event unless they are there to make a very loud and visible protest against this stupid and discriminatory action by LL. Pass it on. I'm with you! _____________________
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Argos Hawks
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05-30-2008 13:31
I think Mari should go in the avatar from her April Fools post, while leading a large group of people who are normally adult avs but wearing child avs for the day. I'd volunteer. We could all be wearing a Boogerheads sign too.
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05-30-2008 13:35
Robin Linden stated later today that Child Avatars can visit SL5B, but not contribute any builds. I think this is a very bad move by Linden Lab.
SL Kids script, build, make wicked music, they create toys and islands and whole cities, they write stories and roleplay, they become members of families, they form gangs, they write blogs and create radio programs, and lots lots more. To tell SL Children to come to the SL5B, but at the same time exclude them from showing how creative and artistic they are, throws a very bad light at them, and at Second Life as a whole. I am very disappointed and for the first time in my Second Life thinking about selling land and ending my premium membership. |
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05-30-2008 13:38
I think Mari should go in the avatar from her April Fools post, while leading a large group of people who are normally adult avs but wearing child avs for the day. I'd volunteer. We could all be wearing a Boogerheads sign too. I still do have the avvie. _____________________
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05-30-2008 13:41
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05-30-2008 13:43
Robin Linden stated later today that Child Avatars can visit SL5B, but not contribute any builds.. Anybody ask her if other groups were not being allowed to contribute? _____________________
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05-30-2008 13:47
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05-30-2008 13:53
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05-30-2008 13:53
I guess the Slippery Slope argument was right after all.
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