SL5B - No Kid Avatars, please!
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Qie Niangao
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05-30-2008 07:12
From: Dakota Tebaldi It doesn't feel very good being somewhere you know you're merely -tolerated- (as opposed to welcome). Some in RL still celebrate mere tolerance. Grateful for small favors, I guess. A part of one such community, I well understand the need to choose battles wisely--especially in an election year. Doesn't make it suck any less, but makes the blood taste better when biting one's tongue.
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Chris Norse
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05-30-2008 07:13
From: Brenda Connolly As far as I'm concerned, If you are allowed to be in SL, and give your money, then you should be allowed to participate in any LL sponsored event on an equal basis as any other citizen. Except for Furries. And Goreans. And Vampires. And Canadians. And Dragons in BDSM gear.
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Dakota Tebaldi
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05-30-2008 07:15
That is true - I'm a premium resident. Some kid avs own land. I know at least one that owns a sim - there's likely more. Perhaps the fact of the matter is that the community isn't allowed to have a build for itself, but individuals themselves will still be allowed to attend. But would I want to go, given that? I admit I wasn't hoping to go to SL5B just to see the kids' build - in fact, there's a chance I might not have ever seen it. I'm already a kid av; I think the display is mostly for the benefit of people who aren't - though I could be wrong of course. But whatever. Point is, it still comes down to my presence being just tolerated, rather than really accepted, there. I'm sure I'll find other stuff to do, maybe.
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Dnali Anabuki
Still Crazy
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05-30-2008 07:15
Aren't happy playful children exactly the antidote to exploited children?
If I were part of LL, I would be encouraging the showcasing of child avatars to show that SL actually encourages people to explore what most of us want - children allowed to be children safely.
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Isabeau Imako
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05-30-2008 07:27
From the blog, "This MAY also mean that Child Avatars will NOT be allowed at the SL5B celebrations." If this is the case, maybe all those who oppose this can all wear the same avatar in protest and attend the SL5B anyway, just not a child one. Maybe all the same Tiny av wearing a Guy Fawkes mask. A peaceful (and fun!) protest. Picture it, dozens of little bunnies or kitties wearing the same mask... 
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Dakota Tebaldi
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05-30-2008 07:32
From: Isabeau Imako From the blog, "This MAY also mean that Child Avatars will NOT be allowed at the SL5B celebrations." If this is the case, maybe all those who oppose this can all wear the same avatar in protest and attend the SL5B anyway, just not a child one. Maybe all the same Tiny av wearing a Guy Fawkes mask. A peaceful (and fun!) protest. Picture it, dozens of little bunnies or kitties wearing the same mask...  That's a very funny idea actually - but sadly, the Guy-Fawkes-Mask well has been poisoned. I don't want people to think we're a bunch of chan dweebs! We'll have to pick something else.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
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05-30-2008 07:39
I'm looking at it this way. I'm happy (VERY HAPPY) that I'm tolerated at all, regardless of the avatar I pick. I'm also deeply connected with my avatar as an extension of my own inner self. The fact that I've had this account and avatar for over 6 months and have experienced not one single event of harassment makes me feel very good about my person as a whole in ways I don't feel in RL. And remember, I'm not one to sit still in "safe" regions. (^_^)
I don't mind that LL wants to keep Kid AVs out of the spotlight in such a big event. Are we entitled to anything at all? It might as well be something they soon regret, but still, their home - their rules. (=_=)
I don't see a TOS or CS violation in me being there in my main avatar shape and dress. So, now that I'm thinking of it, I'm sure to show up and represent my presence as a spectator of the scene. (^_^)y
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Ceera Murakami
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05-30-2008 07:42
Maybe someone should organize a "Field Trip" with a bunch of kid avvies, as if we're all there at SLB5 as a well-behaved school group?
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Isabeau Imako
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05-30-2008 07:46
From: Dakota Tebaldi That's a very funny idea actually - but sadly, the Guy-Fawkes-Mask well has been poisoned. I don't want people to think we're a bunch of chan dweebs! We'll have to pick something else. You're right. Maybe something a little more fun,  As long as it isn't a creepy clown mask... *shudder* .
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MortVent Charron
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05-30-2008 07:48
From: Dakota Tebaldi That's a very funny idea actually - but sadly, the Guy-Fawkes-Mask well has been poisoned. I don't want people to think we're a bunch of chan dweebs! We'll have to pick something else. Tiny bunnies with signs asking "what happened to the innocent children that play here?"
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Brenda Connolly
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05-30-2008 07:50
From: Chris Norse Except for Furries. And Goreans. And Vampires. And Canadians. And Dragons in BDSM gear. Hey, even them. Well...Canadians?......Uhm.... if Izzy will vouch for them, I guess it's OK.
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Claire Silverspar
Pokes Badgers With Spoons
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05-30-2008 07:54
Maybe all the kid avs should get together and have a big celebration of their own...I'd even regress for a day and go rather than to the other thing. Banning an entire group of people in SL is ridiculous. I don't think SL would be the same without the variety.
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Marianne McCann
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05-30-2008 08:03
(See also my post at http://secondlifechildren.blogspot.com/ ) From: Brenda Connolly It's cowardly. Everytime SL has been attacked by these media whores, LL has never done anything. /me points to the initial sexual ageplay ban, done in response to a Report Mainz news story, then points to the clarification of that policy done in the wake of the initial Sky News piece. From: Adz Childs Bad move by LL but I blame the Republicans first and foremost. Likewise. I think it's a bad decision and could really just cause more trouble. I also look at the Rep. Kirk's as being the ones to put the blame on. Can't he be caught in a sex scandal already? From: Raudf Fox LL's main drive isn't the community. It's the platform that they feel they need to preserve. To their defense -- but only a little -- without the platform, what is left? If they lost their buisness, would there still be a community present within it? Frankly, I can see why they'd want to protect it, but I also think this is the wrong way *to* protect it. From: Ceera Murakami Personally, I am seriously thinking about attending, WITH my daughter, as a visitor. No in-your-face protesting. Just a well-dressed mother and daughter in proper Japanese kimonos, both of us Kitsune (multi-tailed spirit foxes), strolling about and looking at the exhibits. I'm still mulling over my own involvement: this killed not only the planned SL Children build (which would have been awesome!), but also a separate presention I had been planning. I'm sure there were others. This doesn't exactly put me in the "Happy Birthday" frame of mind. From: someone I wonder, with all the other "communities" in SL, how many fetish groups did they say COULD exhibit their group? BDSM? Goreans? Escorts? Likely none. As an added bonus, the SL5B is all PG sims this year. From: someone Hugs to Mari and the other kid avatars, and scorn for the political glory-hounds. Thanks! Mari
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MortVent Charron
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05-30-2008 08:09
Here is a question -
How many bother to read the blog posts before attending?
How many will see the message of the day and go?
What is stopping folks from setting up a child avatar based display on a private sim?
May not be sanctioned, but it can all be done.
As it's all PG sims, there shouldn't be any concern as to child avatars running around.
And for the most part, all the communities can function in a PG setting. (even BDSM and Gor, it's just in how they dress)
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Ceera Murakami
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05-30-2008 08:09
RE: Fetish-based communities at SLB5 From: Marianne McCann Likely none. As an added bonus, the SL5B is all PG sims this year. Hummm. So they won't allow G-rated, family-friendly kids, and they also won't allow anything that isn't PG? Guess the only things allowed will be ethnic cultural displays and landscapes... Meh. Why bother? It won'r represent what SL is like at all, at this rate.
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Evah Zwanger
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05-30-2008 08:12
now i just want to make a kid avi just to piss them off
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
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05-30-2008 08:14
From: MortVent Charron How many bother to read the blog posts before attending? ? Few. From: someone How many will see the message of the day and go?? Many. From: someone What is stopping folks from setting up a child avatar based display on a private sim? Nothing. From: Ceera Murakami Hummm. So they won't allow G-rated, family-friendly kids, and they also won't allow anything that isn't PG? Guess the only things allowed will be ethnic cultural displays and landscapes... Corporate builds and historical builds. :-/
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Isabeau Imako
P'tite Poulette
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05-30-2008 08:16
Maybe we should all go as shrubs with feet, like in Scooby-Doo. *Tinkle Tinkle Tinkle* Did Trout ever make that walking tree av? Haven't heard of tree fetishes yet. /me is afraid to Google tree images now...
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MortVent Charron
Can haz cuddles now?
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05-30-2008 08:17
From: Isabeau Imako Maybe we should all go as shrubs with feet, like in Scooby-Doo. *Tinkle Tinkle Tinkle* Did Trout ever make that walking tree av? Haven't heard of tree fetishes yet. /me is afraid to Google tree images now... Google is your friend... or is that fiend.... all depends on if safe search is enabled... because if you can think of it... no matter how far out there... it will be out there!
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Dakota Tebaldi
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05-30-2008 08:17
From: Marianne McCann Likewise. I think it's a bad decision and could really just cause more trouble. I also look at the Rep. Kirk's as being the ones to put the blame on. Can't he be caught in a sex scandal already?
He IS Republican - it's only a matter of time.
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Marianne McCann
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05-30-2008 08:24
From: Isabeau Imako Maybe we should all go as shrubs with feet, like in Scooby-Doo. *Tinkle Tinkle Tinkle* Barney Boomslang has the *cutest* little chibi tree avvie for sale in Grendel's Children, ya know.
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Isabeau Imako
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05-30-2008 08:24
From: Brenda Connolly Hey, even them. Well...Canadians?......Uhm.... if Izzy will vouch for them, I guess it's OK. Vouch for them? I'll do no such thing. We're subversives, I tell you, SUBVERSIVES! 
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From: Macphisto Angelus Just remember what my dear Grammy always says: "F**k 'em!"
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Isabeau Imako
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05-30-2008 08:26
From: Marianne McCann Barney Boomslang has the *cutest* little chibi tree avvie for sale in Grendel's Children, ya know. Oooh... Thanks! I must have skipped the vegetation section last time I was there.
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From: Macphisto Angelus Just remember what my dear Grammy always says: "F**k 'em!"
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Dakota Tebaldi
Voodoo Child
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05-30-2008 08:27
There's a vegetation section at Grendel's? Cool...
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Ann Launay
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05-30-2008 08:28
I posted this over on SLU too, to help spread the word.
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