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Bradley Bracken
Goodbye, Farewell, Amen
Join date: 2 Apr 2007
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01-23-2008 14:05
To be fair to Trout, however, it was Strauss who linked the two. Yes, I completely agree. I know Trout to be very fair. I am just going above and beyond the norm to make sure those who feel they are "outsiders" are able to state their case. It's not something they normally do, other than vague accusations. _____________________
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Har Fairweather
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Join date: 24 Jan 2007
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01-23-2008 14:06
I think there are two main reasons for this perception of a "clique."
One is that there are quite a few people who have been posting here a long while (full disclosure: in SL anything over a month is a long while), and they have built up a history with each other. There are friendships and antagonisms, and lots of "in" references that are not so much "in" as references to things past that a new arrival knows nothing about. To some extent, RA is an ongoing conversation, and I can see where some may find it daunting to break in and insert a post or two edgewise. People who feel that way, please don't. Everybody here was a first-time poster sometime. If you have something helpful or worthwhile to say, or a question of any kind, you are a welcome and beneficial presence here. Post away! It's not really a clique. The other thing is that here people do not mince words. If someone thinks you are being any of several flavors of idiot, they will not hesitate to say so. (My favorite is people who wrap themselves in Political Correctness. LOVE to puncture them, but that's just me.) And if people disagree with you, they will do so in no uncertain terms. I can see where that can be intimidating too. If you feel like an "outsider" (which really only means you are a new poster here), it may feel like a pack driving you off its turf. It ain't. The best protection against being attacked: Be a reasonable person. If you are then attacked by some idiot, you will soon find people here ganging up on the idiot, not you. But in the meantime it does help to have a thicker skin. Sensitive plants do not do well in a rigorous climate, and it is true, RA is a fairly - refreshing - climate. : ) But it's not personal. And it's not cliquish. It's just that this is friendly arm-wrestling, not patty-cake. Welcome! |
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Bradley Bracken
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Join date: 2 Apr 2007
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01-23-2008 14:09
And, er, exactly why should in-world and the forum be kept separate, anyway? Is it even possible? Although I don't go to the hangout often, one of the beauties of it is seeing two people who go at each others throats here in the forums joking around and dancing together there. If that wasn't the case I wouldn't ever bother going there at all. _____________________
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Kitten Inshan
Hello
Join date: 8 Jan 2008
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01-23-2008 14:34
As a new comer with a 'other side of the fence' view let me break the suspense. There is one. Was quite clear my first week here. Painfully obvious in fact. Who are they? The Forum hangout regulars mostly. How? Where if you don't submit to their view that RA is their own private stomping grounds and agree the have a sense of entitlement to said forum to disregard the forum rules then your on the outside looking in. Group mentality, clique, elitist club, whatever you want to call it, it exists. And clearly mob attacked by this group when you go against their grain. Note I am not saying this in a negative context simply on a observational view. I have thick skin and as said in other threads even with this clique it is a pretty tame forum even with no active mods. They are, IMO, detrimental to the health to this forum, but thats just my view. I am sure a few are going to jump on me for expressing my against their grain opinions (just like last time) which just re-enforces my previous comments. *shrugs* M2C I disagree. I've not had problems with forum hangout regulars. They do not seem to have the same opinions, and actually encouraged me to start a thread (which lead to me deleting all of my other posts from a response and almost leaving the forum). Of course I stopped even reading the forum for a very long time because of one particular thread that was very hostile to the very existence of people with less than or only 1 month existence in SL. I wasn't driven away by any so called "clique" made up of forum cartel regulars. I was driven away by a non-forum hangout regular (I think, as I haven't seen them there). I will now slide away, again, and hide somewhere. |
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Love Hastings
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Join date: 21 Aug 2007
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01-23-2008 14:34
Cherry, I wasn't singling you out. Just the first example that popped into my head of someone I know about equally well in both worlds (no doubt brought on by your recent posts in this very thread). But I really enjoyed those dances. I'm surprised you were called names over it.
Brenda and Bradley, I see where you're coming from. I sorta see this as a one way thing though. If something happens inworld, it's going to be reflected here, as far as I'm concerned. Yes, it would be healthier for all concerned if arguments here don't get carried into the hangout. But I believe that isn't always possible, though the attempt would be nice. _____________________
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Cherry Czervik
Came To Her Senses
Join date: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 3,680
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01-23-2008 14:36
Cherry, I wasn't singling you out. Just the first example of someone I know about equally well in both worlds. But I really enjoyed those dances. I'm surprised you were called names over it. Brenda and Bradley, I see where you're coming from. I sorta see this as a one way thing though. If something happens inworld, it's going to be reflected here, as far as I'm concerned. Yes, it would be healthier for all concerned if arguments here don't get carried into the hangout. But I believe that isn't always possible, though the attempt would be nice. I know honey, don't you worry  Think I should have more dances like those? _____________________
To exchange power is sublime. To steal from another ... well, what goes around comes around.
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Bradley Bracken
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Join date: 2 Apr 2007
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01-23-2008 14:40
Brenda and Bradley, I see where you're coming from. I sorta see this as a one way thing though. If something happens inworld, it's going to be reflected here, as far as I'm concerned. And it has happened, Love. We've seem some arguments that occur in world taken here into the forums. Some that occurred at the hangout were then brought into the threads here. Eventually, with time, things ironed themselves out and people agreed to act like adults and chose to get along. That's what happens when people make that choice. When people make the choice to be an outsider though, and then point at everyone else and say they are a clique, then there's not much that can be done. It takes two adults to make things work. _____________________
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Trout Recreant
Public Enemy No. 1
Join date: 24 Jul 2007
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01-23-2008 14:52
I know honey, don't you worry Think I should have more dances like those? I know you weren't asking me, but yes, yes and YES. I had a blast at the one I went to. The whole clique was there. _____________________
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Raymond Figtree
Gone, avi, gone
Join date: 17 May 2006
Posts: 6,256
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01-23-2008 14:54
Be careful what I wish for...there seems to be a quiet hammer lurking. I had my clique thread deleted. Woot! I'm infamous.
Maybe some of you will get your wish and a ban will follow... EDIT: I miseed it somehow, but the genuis that is the clique parody thread still lives. _____________________
Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
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Bradley Bracken
Goodbye, Farewell, Amen
Join date: 2 Apr 2007
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01-23-2008 14:56
Be careful what I wish for...there seems to be a quiet hammer lurking. I had my clique thread deleted. Woot! I'm infamous. Maybe some of you will get your wish and a ban will follow... Unless my eyes deceive me, Ray, it's not only there but people have been posting in it only minutes ago. Btw, how cold is it back east? _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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Join date: 10 Jan 2007
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01-23-2008 14:56
Brenda and Bradley, I see where you're coming from. I sorta see this as a one way thing though. If something happens inworld, it's going to be reflected here, as far as I'm concerned. Yes, it would be healthier for all concerned if arguments here don't get carried into the hangout. But I believe that isn't always possible, though the attempt would be nice. I agree, it is harder to accomplish now that the Group has over 200 mmbers, but it was 6 originally, and grew as time went on. It took a bit of time before the group was formed, it was at first a "come over to my place and hang out type thing", we just would say it here and people would show up. While it may be impossible to totally seperate the two now, we all still try to make an effort to treat each other with civility when we meet. After all, no one is forcing anyone to join, or to come visit. There are exceptions , of course as when humans get involved. Sometimes personalties clash, that can never be totally avoided. _____________________
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Bradley Bracken
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Join date: 2 Apr 2007
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01-23-2008 15:00
Sometimes personalties clash, that can never be totally avoided. Hell, I even get along with Brenda even though she keeps pawing at me and treats me like an object. _____________________
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Bradley Bracken
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Join date: 2 Apr 2007
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01-23-2008 15:00
Sometimes personalties clash, that can never be totally avoided. Hell, some people even get along with Brenda.  _____________________
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Derbor Torok
Lost soul
Join date: 21 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,016
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01-23-2008 15:00
I think there are two main reasons for this perception of a "clique." One is that there are quite a few people who have been posting here a long while (full disclosure: in SL anything over a month is a long while), and they have built up a history with each other. There are friendships and antagonisms, and lots of "in" references that are not so much "in" as references to things past that a new arrival knows nothing about. To some extent, RA is an ongoing conversation, and I can see where some may find it daunting to break in and insert a post or two edgewise. People who feel that way, please don't. Everybody here was a first-time poster sometime. If you have something helpful or worthwhile to say, or a question of any kind, you are a welcome and beneficial presence here. Post away! It's not really a clique. The other thing is that here people do not mince words. If someone thinks you are being any of several flavors of idiot, they will not hesitate to say so. (My favorite is people who wrap themselves in Political Correctness. LOVE to puncture them, but that's just me.) And if people disagree with you, they will do so in no uncertain terms. I can see where that can be intimidating too. If you feel like an "outsider" (which really only means you are a new poster here), it may feel like a pack driving you off its turf. It ain't. The best protection against being attacked: Be a reasonable person. If you are then attacked by some idiot, you will soon find people here ganging up on the idiot, not you. But in the meantime it does help to have a thicker skin. Sensitive plants do not do well in a rigorous climate, and it is true, RA is a fairly - refreshing - climate. : ) But it's not personal. And it's not cliquish. It's just that this is friendly arm-wrestling, not patty-cake. Welcome! Normally I don' quote wholesale.. however, Har's post reflects my feelings in the subject. It saved me a lot of typing. .d |
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Raymond Figtree
Gone, avi, gone
Join date: 17 May 2006
Posts: 6,256
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01-23-2008 15:02
Yes, yes, yes. I've been in world all of two months, and on this forum for even less than that. But I've been posting here a bit and dropping in at the hangout a bit too. I had an opening party at my cafe earlier this week and was lucky enough to enjoy about 25 guests over the course of the evening - about 3/4ths of those were people that I met either here or at the hangout. Folks, if that's a clique it is the warmest, friendliest, most welcoming clique I've ever known. In my brief experience here, the folks who complain the loudest about the interactions here are not merely people who express an opinion at variance with the majority - rather, they are people who belittle the majority opinion, belittle the people who hold the majority opinion, and generally get off on making a martyr of themselves for disagreeing. Most of the time it's not what you say - everyone has opinions and often they differ with the opinions of others - it's how you say it. Calling yourself a straight-talker, or disagreeing with someone else, is not an excuse to be an asshat. I have been participating in on-line forums of one kind or another since about 1989, and I have never seen a single one in which there wasn't some level of complaint out there that the regulars are a bunch of meenyheads who have nothing but inside jokes and contempt for all newcomers and all who do not toe the party line. And in virtually every one of those forums - including this one - people who are nice, who engage in discussion respectfully, and who don't start their lives there whining about the existing community and culture - these folks never have any trouble fitting in, getting up to speed on the in-jokes, making friends, and becoming a part of the community. I think regulars is a much better term than clique. And guess what? we're all regulars. Except for Trout who is a bit odd. _____________________
Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
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Raymond Figtree
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Join date: 17 May 2006
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01-23-2008 15:04
Unless my eyes deceive me, Ray, it's not only there but people have been posting in it only minutes ago. Btw, how cold is it back east? _____________________
Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
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Kitten Inshan
Hello
Join date: 8 Jan 2008
Posts: 43
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01-23-2008 15:04
Glad to hear you felt welcomed. I think regulars is a much better term than clique. And guess what? we're all regulars. Except for Trout who is a bit odd. Hey that can be quite annoying to not be regular. Has he taken any medication for it? |
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Raymond Figtree
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Join date: 17 May 2006
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01-23-2008 15:06
Hey that can be quite annoying to not be regular. Has he taken any medication for it? _____________________
Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
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Brenda Connolly
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Join date: 10 Jan 2007
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01-23-2008 15:07
Guess it's so cold my eyes froze shut. Actually it's a balmy 35 degrees right now. Staying at Hotel Giraffe. The place kicks ass. Free cheese! Hamster loves the free cheese. Exactly. You should have been here Monday. I left the house and it was 7. Wind Chill of about -5. _____________________
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Bradley Bracken
Goodbye, Farewell, Amen
Join date: 2 Apr 2007
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01-23-2008 15:07
Hey that can be quite annoying to not be regular. Has he taken any medication for it? I think he's been sharing too much of Raymonds cheese. _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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01-23-2008 15:08
Glad to hear you felt welcomed. I think regulars is a much better term than clique. And guess what? we're all regulars. Except for Trout who is a bit odd. But clique gets a rise out of some of us so it's used. Fair enough, a little tweaking makes the world go around. I actually prefer Cabal, myself. _____________________
Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen.
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Raymond Figtree
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01-23-2008 15:08
Exactly. You should have been here Monday. I left the house and it was 7. Wind Chill of about -5. _____________________
Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
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Brenda Connolly
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01-23-2008 15:09
Come up to the Hotel Giraffe around 10. And bring your laptop so we can communicate. I don't own a Laptop. _____________________
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Nika Talaj
now you see her ...
Join date: 2 Jan 2007
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01-23-2008 15:11
I know you weren't asking me, but yes, yes and YES. I had a blast at the one I went to. The whole clique was there. *takes picture* /me grumbles. never made any of those dances. THAT'S what's wrong with having a relationship in SL ... So, yeah Cherry, I keep hearing about those dances and I never made any and I have time nowadays, so if you have it in you, please DO have more. . _____________________
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Raymond Figtree
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01-23-2008 15:13
I don't own a Laptop. _____________________
Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
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