Ad Farmer Suspensions Have Started. :)

The good news is it's not going to do them any good sitting there like that. They'll either drop the price or abandon it eventually. At least your far better off than you were last week.

But on the bright side, there's no ugliness to look at.

Hmmm we are seeing two moves by the farmers: Leaving the signs but taking it off the for sale list and taking the signs but leaving the parcels for sale. Neither will benefit the farmers one bit, but if they have the tier to spare they may just leave them that way.

Yes, once in a while they even forget to return the ads. I did AR a couple of those, simply noting that it probably doesn't look good for LL in light of the new policy, so someone should return that stuff if they happen to be in the neighborhood.

I hope they'll just drop the price-I could do with two or three more 16m2 plots....

That price is WAY off. They've used that mark as an average level to justify dumping extra sims, not a maximum. Right now, the protected waterfront property that I've been selling has been selling for $17/sqm, and two 2048 lots sold at that price have been cut and put back on the market at an even higher price. Also, some people put prices on their land that would be extremely high if you were only looking at the land, but not high at all when you look at everything they are selling with it. Some people sell they're businesses that way. Also, when you get a nearly full sim with several residents running out of prims, the remaining land goes up in price a LOT. In the sim where I'm selling land now, at one point $20/sqm would have been a bargain. There probably wouldn't be many legitimate cases that would violate $50/sqm, but there would still be some.

water propperty is real estate

16sqm extorsion plots are anything but valuable, the discussions was "how high befor it starts to be extorsion", if lindens decide that when a price range is reach to justtify printing more money with new land sales, it`s a good indication price for those damn 16sqm adfarms

normal plots could go as high as people wish as this is just against them

That makes a little more sense. A lot of people suggest price caps on land in general to stop the problem. Your comment seemed like one of those to me. How big should a plot get before the cap gets lifted?

16-32 sqm unless it`s a clear adfarm any larger (like 50 spinning ad towers)

i`m anything against higher land prices, even hoping they will go up to what they were like 8-10 months ago (no thanks for ll printing money(new sims) out of thin air) so people would get their value for what they payed back then

Then you probably aren't going to be too happy to see this thread if you missed it:

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saw it and pretty much expected it

can allways keep a tiny bit of hope tho

R--- M--- has taken ads down on some of his plots but left the high prices and a new wrinkle: Ban lines. So he has found a new way withing the rules to say F*ck You to mainland residents and to try to extort money from nearby land owners. What a bastard.

I don't mind - you have to get very close to even see the ban lines, and they only go 50 m up. a person flying by at 51 m will be unimpeded and doesn't have the eyesore. He still has to choke on tier.

That might not be within the new rules, LL left themselves some wiggle room. "For the purposes of this document, 'Ad Farm' will apply specifically to advertising or content that is intended solely to drive an unreasonable price for the parcel it is on, usually by spoiling the view of others." The "or content" and "usually" give them slack to deal with the corner cases. And very important in that policy, "We will review how this goes over the next few weeks and once we see how it works out in practice we can continue or make changes as necessary."

Someone will probably chime in with the usual "ban lines are sacred because they're built into the system" but so are the prims and particles that typically made up ad farms, and all the other things griefers use to do what they do. Harassment is harassment, this is a twist the governance people will need to consider.

Not sure about the 1.19 RC viewer but in the 1.19 windlight version, you can't even see the ban lines. At least for the moment.

I hope it stays that way in future releases. It's a happy coincidence it would solve this form of attempted visual griefing by ad farmers.

I wouldn't worry about it, remember the new standards say this:

Using content, particularly advertising, to deliberately and negatively affect another resident’s view so as to sell a parcel for an unreasonable price, will be deemed unacceptable and dealt with as a violation of our community standards.

In many instances ban lines wont be an issue. In those instances that it is, such as with small 512m lots, in which you'll usually always have it in view then the above still applies. The Ad Farmers just don't seem to be understanding that "particularly advertising" means "not limited to" advertising.

Bitching about ban lines is going too far. Ban lines are a right, and are not griefing. It's not your land, and you don't have a right to be on it. If you can see them, you're too close. If he wants to ban everyone, no big deal - especially if you're more than 7 meters away. This is not carte blanche to go after all ad land, or what was formerly ad land. You still don't have a right to go on land where you are not wanted. I don't give two craps if an ad farmer puts up ban lines - the visual blight is gone, be happy with it. Soon, he will be too. Give it time.

I personally hate ban lines, but you're right, just like advertising they are allowed in SL. I'm sure the issue will eventually come up though where someone has a small plot with ban lines that is grossly overpriced and it will be interesting to see how SL handles it.

Regarding if you see them you are too close. I beg to differ. A few months back someone here in the forums had a home on display for anyone to check out. It was on a 512 lot. It was impossible not to have the banlines visible from inside of the home.

That is what I don't like about them. Banning people from a parcel is fine, but it stinks when you have to look at the lines shining through your walls all of the time.

Well, that will happen if you build up to the property line and have walls with alpha textures. It doesn't matter, small lot or large lot, a person who has ban lines up is NOT INTRUDING on anyone's land. If someone builds up too close to the line, that is their problem, but a good 5-10m buffer would alleviate the situation and be neighborly. Imagine that!

But you can't see them if you're 128m away and have a draw distance of 256. The only way you know the plot is an ad plot is by the size, if you have view property lines on. There are people who have large lots that are grossly overpriced, but that is because they are not really interested in selling. Why they waste our time, I don't know. But they exist. I don't consider it extortion. If there is no visual blight to compel you to make an offer to buy the land, what is the problem?? Just mind your own business.

There are no such rights.

"Linden Lab has the right at any time for any reason or no reason to suspend or terminate your Account, terminate this Agreement, and/or refuse any and all current or future use of the Service without notice or liability to you. In the event that Linden Lab suspends or terminates your Account or this Agreement, you understand and agree that you shall receive no refund or exchange for any unused time on a subscription, any license or subscription fees, any content or data associated with your Account, or for anything else."

LL will change or not change things according to what keeps the tier and subscription payments rolling in. And if sims end up cut into little doughnut-shaped parcels with limited usefulness, fences or not, LL could very well see a need to act on them.

What does that have to do with the ability to put up ban lines? So what? That's a non-starter. LL can change any feature that you can use. Until they take it away you have the right to use ban lines as you see fit.

It has everything to do with it. LL decides who can and cannot have those, not you. And if land partitioning games are used with them in a way that makes land useless, it's not going to be as clear cut as you would like to believe.


Ergo, they are not rights.


No, it is not a right. LL does have the right to tell anyone to shut off anything at any time, without recourse.

In the vast majority of scenarios a person can ignore their neighbors ban lines. I'll give you that, but not all. I'm not arguing the rights of ban lines, etc here. But I do think there are situations where they can be used as extortion, you don't. Eventually we'll see what LL thinks.

Until LL takes it away, you can ban all you like. That is the heart of it, and grousing about whether or not it's a right doesn't change that. Fortunately, I don't see that happening any time soon.