Ad Farmer Suspensions Have Started. :)

Chris,

If an extortionist adfarmer crops up next to one of my hotels, and my tenants leave, then I'm just screwed if I don't give in. (without the ad farm rule).

Let's keep in mind that SL is a business that we all choose to partake in; and we deserve some quality of service, and enforcement of "community" in return for our money. My business model simply depends on some reasonable level of community standards. I'm not just renting $800 a month worth of generic server space to experiment around with.

Just like my tenants wouldn't want to be electronically assaulted or verbally abused, they also won't stand for living in a hellhole. The new adfarm rule is just another layer on top of our already immense set of ambiguous rules that get enforced every day by very human and fallible Lindens in the name of "community." We are in no more danger now than we were a month ago. How do we know that a pissed off Linden won't ban one of us for misinterpreting a simple altercation as verbal abuse? To me that's 10 times more ambiguous and dangerous than this extortion thing.

Ironically, I strongly suspect that the adfarm rule was just the last straw; and a necessary evil, and that most of the Lindens feel just like you do: that SL was intended to be a place where people can do what they want to with their land. Unfortunately, a few rogue denizens with totally malicious and greedy intentions forced the Lindens' hand and ruined that for everyone. These people have no love of SL; they simply found a way to exploit people who love SL. It's sad that the Lindens had to make this rule, but it was simply necessary.

A really good example of why it is important to figure out the intent of the Founding Fathers. What the words meant then can be and sometimes are startlingly different from what the same words are commonly thought to mean today. It's not only conditions that change; so does language itself.

Actually that makes sense in a historical perspective. The Constitution was never meant to last 200 some odd years. At the time it was written the government wasnt interested in keeping guns out of the hands of the citizens,

It needed well armed citizens because it couldn't afford a large standing army, but at the same time warfare was very common among the countries of Europe and we had just completed a War with England in recent memory and less than 15 years prior to that, one with France.

Add to that the fact that the US was in a continual process of evicting the legitimate inhabitants of most of the land of the United states and pushing them westward.

A well trained, well armed militia was exactly what was intended in the begining.

I am going to go back to this Chris, before I have to run out to lunch. This will actually be much more in line with what I was trying to say anyway.

In a previous thread I stated that I worked in hotel management for many years. Some of those in one of the few 5 star 5 diamond hotels in the United States. We did not have rules posted for every specific infraction that may occur within the hotel. We had one rule: Do not disrupt the other guests. If that rule was broke you were tossed out on your ass and no refunds. When a guest is paying as much as $500 - 2000 a night that can be a big chunk of change.

I don't think you would find that unreasonable. I don't really see how SL is any different.

The fact they exist at all is intrusion enough to 95% of the playerbase who innocently live near, or try to fly over, a parcel with ban lines active.

People should have the option to live in isolation without shelling out 1675 USD and 195/month, if they so choose. Get over it.

Don't think they had automatic weapons in the 18th century, but perhaps it's time to repeal that pesky plutonium tax, too.

I think that argument goes ..

The citizens didn't have automatic weapons in the 18th century .. but then again neither did the government.


Goes back to the Thomas Jefferson Quote - "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

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Really if gun control is a necessity - And it does seem that it is .. It should be included with a Constitutional Amendment, rather than the tax and trade related system we have.

People should have the option to wander freely and enjoy the view without it being spoilt by ban lines or security orbs, without shelling out 167 USD and 195/month, if they so choose. Get over it.

Then again, as you work with Chris, I can understand your 'firm viewpoint' - even if it's wrong - on this issue

People can wander freely - on public land and 51m above ground. Nonstarter.

Ah the old "I pay for it so I can do what I like with it, regardless of how it negatively impacts anyone else" argument. Doesn't cut the mustard for me, sorry.

Why be antisocial in a social environment? Why pay to be in isolation when you can just log out and be in the same position for free?

I don't know why, but I am not going to impose my view on someone else and take away their ability to be alone if they want on land that they pay for.

If 'your world, your imagination' only involves a limited amount of people or none at all, then that's their prerogative.

I think people should be able to keep their ban lines up.

That way when they are busy playing with their horses people wont be able to wander by and accidentally see it.

Actually, I work for her. She can fire me any time she sees fit. But I do admit her firm view point was one reason I volunteered to work for her.

Rather than ruin the view for the neighbours, maybe they should log out and seek therapy for their perverted behaviour?

Well quite possibly. However since they are doing it anyway, I'd rather they did it behind banlines.

I sure don't want to accidentally fly within earshot,

do you?

I'd rather they didn't do it at all, to be honest... but as it hasn't yet been banned, like anything else like that which is "broadly offensive", if allowed to continue, should be way up in the sky out of everyone else's way. Surely they couldn't possibly have expected there not to be any concern from the existing neighbours about what they are doing there?

Accepted, if you choose to move into somewhere that has something like that already established, there isn't much basis to argue except the moral viewpoint - but when they come in, existing neighbours opinions far outweigh theirs.

And a fine job you do. Thanks much.

We could put slimy green prims in the woodchipper and use them as mulch.

Too late.

Tsarchon's corollary to Godwin's Law: Once gun control in mentioned in any thread not originally about gun control, that thread is permanently off-topic.

Maybe the Lindens were just performing for the crowd for one week. The adfarmer next door to me has three cubes of porn over it's 16 meter square and the land is set for sale for $250000L. This has been Abuse Reported daily since midnight on the day the adfarm law came into effect.


I guess they were just making a good show of it.

Only two warnings given out today according to the blotter. And the suspension that I cut and pasted at the start of this thread has been the only one issued. Unless they don't put every incident on the blotter, it's a pretty meager showing.

Maybe they already got the ones cleared up that was hurting their full sim auctions.

Yeah, I know. It was such a bad idea. I regretted it immediately after, that's what I cut and run.

A salute to Chris, though. He does follow the letter of the law as he says. We may not agree with what that means, but he does stand by it.

Yeah, I've been watching too. The one you pointed out has been the only one. There have been a lot of warnings though right up until today. When you consider that a huge percentage of the Ad Farms out there are owned by the same individuals, I think LL is giving them time to adjust their properties. My God, can you imagine how many some of them have?

I'm not concerned. There's few actual extortionist ad farms left. Most have been reduced in price, pulled their ads, or have gone off the market. 3 - 6 months from now we'll see an entirely different landscape, if it even takes that long.