Ad Farmer Suspensions Have Started. :)

It will end just as soon as "if you want that ban line column to go away it will cost you 500000L" becomes commonplace.

Be under no illusions,

Within SL you have NO rights.

You have some rights outside of SL regarding the service you have paid for, but that is it.

I just got pissed that RM put them up for the express reason of griefing (we know what his motives are, as opposed to most cases when people put them up in a misguided attempt to have privacy), but I understand freedom to have them in general blah blah blah.

I personally hate ban lines and have never locked a door on a house let alone put up ban lines. For the 98% of the time when you are offline, they serve no purpose other than to be annoying to others visually.

Isn't it great that an Ad Farmer finally got suspended? I think this is exciting news!!!


/me hopes he succeeds in getting this thread back on track and preventing it from derailing into another ban line thread.

There is a big difference between a ban line that isn't visible for 99.44% of the viewing population and a grotesque ad, or in U.H.'s case, the visual FU's with his smiley faces. One is in your face for SLmiles. The other is YOU putting your face in theirs, and is easily rectifiable. It's called mind your own business and don't build up to the property line.

Were there suspensions or actual bans?

7 day suspension. Must be wishful thinking on BB's part.

Whoops. My bad. I changed it. I probably typed ban out of wishful thinking.

It was all that talk about suspension lines.

Land "owners" do have the same sort of imaginary "right" to build right up to the edges of "their" land as do their neighbors to enable the red fences. And it is of course the immediate neighbors who are directly affected by those ad lots.

You do understand that the new rules are all about intent and not the mere existence of these lots, right? That there needs to be an element of extortion there? If the feature is being abused that way, then it is being abused, and even imaginary notions of rights disappear at that point.

I just bought an Umnik H*x plot for about 69 cents US, and I'm the 3rd owner after Umn*k Hax still owned it (for sale for 14,900 L) four hours ago. The neighbor grabbed it to give to me so I could re-join it to my parcels. Is U.H. just running scared now, or cutting his losses before he just leaves SL altogether? I hope he doesn't let the grass-textured prim hit him in the ass on his way out.

It's a great time to be virtually alive.

Dang, I almost feel bad for him now.... NOT! :^)

Based on the story you just gave I would have to agree completely. Thanks for putting a huge smile on my face.

Btw, that is the same individual I'm referring to in my sig. Just not his week, huh?

Lose 50,000$

Or lose 50,000$ he thought he would have?

How does the adfarmer lose money in this? - they bought the land at the market rate not the inflated rate?

If they have to sell at the market rate then its just a wash.

I have no clue where he came up with his magic number. After you asked the question I ran through different scenarios in my head but stopped myself. I'll just be happy once he's gone.

Wouldnt it take about 20 sims worth of Seized land to lose $50,000?

Or 20 sims worth of parcels you paid double market rate for, etc.

Just seems highly unlikely.


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But if you have $5000 worth of land you thought you would get $55,000 for ..

then you "lose" $50,000 .. sort of.

well not really - but some would say they did.


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Kinda like Jesse James saying he lost $50,000 cause the bank he just robbed had $50,000 less in it than he'd figured.

I've bought about 200 parcels from him in the last 12 hours.

Wow, there are still two high dollar ones here in Dharmaraksa, see if you can get those offa him too!

Yes. I set up a plot to illustrate the visual effect on immediate neighbours. It was specifically set up and flagged here to put some hard facts in front of some who banged on about ban lines not being a problem unless you were "too close".."to where you were not wanted"...
7 metres inside your own boundary is NOT "too close" to it. Particularly if you have a 16m-wide 512 parcel. Read that again and think about it. 7+7 = 14 , 16-14 = 2 , ungriefed area in your own land is 2 m wide.
However, you can't even begin to encourage the horse to drink when they even refuse to go anywhere near water. The visitor log showed no trace of some people who would be unable to continue their arguments were they to accept the truth.


Just to head off the general "land rights" cat-fight ----- we're talking now of ugly ban lines put up on overpriced 16m plots immediately following the LL action on overpriced 16m plots with ugly prims.

Once again for the slow readers....
Just to head off the general "land rights" cat-fight ----- we're talking now of ugly ban lines put up on overpriced 16m plots immediately following the LL action on overpriced 16m plots with ugly prims.


Ban lines on these plots are no different to prims on these plots.
I posted about Pr**Lands putting up ban lines on a 16m plot in Dunnylun immediately after the LL action.


The purported reason they put up the ban lines, dear readers, is that this 16m parcel with No Build, No-Object-Entry, Auto-Return had been griefed!!
Hello?

The "my practices are nothing short of 100% ethical" owner says that "the only reason i ever close access is if the parcel is griefed by an object. if its not currently griefed, i'll be happy to open access. please let me knwo where exactly it is, sim name and coordinates. thank you"
I wouldn't expect anyone to drop everything and come a-running, even 2 days after they said that they'd be happy to come.
It's a bit of a contrast to the speed in which the bans were turned on after LL announced the new policy.
The plot was empty up to then. It's still empty. I strongly suspect that the owner became concerned that the business model was in danger. The immediate danger would come from the griefey 16m plots in the sims coming on the market at near reasonable prices for a variety of reasons. The long-term danger would be that LL would take action against overpriced 16m plots in general.

I think that the defenders of ban lines (in their current state) should wise up.
The abuse of ban lines by the 16m extortioners will raise general awareness of the visual grief inflicted by ban lines.
Anyone defending the right of an ad farmer to put up ban lines on a 16m plot might as well defend their right to put up rotating grief-prims.

Ban lines on a small plot should be recognised by LL as abuse.

More like high-tension lines

"Ban all" lines should be recognised as abuse, regardless of the plot size, because they infringe on the rights of free exploration to 99.9999999% of the population of SL who have never griefed you.

In addition to all the reasons given previously in this thread, there really isn't anything anyone can do to "hurt" your land if you're actually using it. For the odd occasion where no build etc fails, you can either just auto return the crap (if you don't have it turned on as you should in the first place) or if it's deliberately griefed, AR it.

It's been repeatedly proved that there is no concept of 'privacy' in SL so why should we be given tools that achieve nothing?

I can understand banning individuals that have been proven to be harrassing you (if, of course, an AR won't fix it anyway) on your own property, but if you aren't actually on that plot of land, why does it matter what people might be doing on it or near it, because you can't steal anything per se.

If you are worried about people coming in and using your sex poseballs... then put them away when you aren't using them? It's not rocket science!

If ban lines *must* remain - then the ugly ban line image needs to be placed on the INSIDE as well as the outside of the parcel - then at least they'll see what damage it does to their neighbours view as well as their own. I'm convinced that at least 90% of plots with ban lines are people wondering what the setting does, see nothing happen, and forget to turn it off.

I have to totally disagree with you here.

If *I* pay for the use of the land, that includes the right to prevent others using it.

If 99.9999999% of the people who whinge about ban lines actually owned land then they might think differently

I could be testing a script over a period of time that your presence could effect or the script could "hurt" you, I might be building a great new "thing" that I don't want people to see if I can help it, or I might just want some peace and quiet. Any of them are valid reasons for ban lines.

I've been in sims that get hit with griefer attacks, the quickest way to deal with it was up the global ban lines, everyone gets ejected, problem under control.

Having said that, personally I hate ban lines, but I will ban particular people for being troublesome, or who happen to be listed on clock tower...

It would be really nice if the thread stayed away from the general argument about security/privacy. That argument just gives comfort and some protection to the ad farmers.

Ban lines (or more properly - Access Restrictions) in their current implementation as a privacy measure are visually ugly to neighbours. For the moment we are stuck with them, because that's what the system *currently* offers by default.

Ban lines used all of a sudden by ad-farmers are an *entirely* different question.

Anyone who is against action against ban lines on overpriced 16m plots based on "land-rights"/ "slippery slope" reasons must logically be against action against ugly prims on overpriced 16m plots for precisely the same reasons.

The visual griefing might be shorter range, but it is aimed directly at immediate neighbours. It actually more intrusive than prims because of the alpha-bug effect - which 'feature', and not being specific to SL, shows no sign of going away any time.

You can do that ... we're all adults (well apart from Mari, but that's allowed )If it's mainland land, then if your script is that sensitive, the chances are someone being on the next parcel is going to affect it. If it's a private island... then that's a different matter.If you're building some super secret new thing... people can cam in from outside, so that isn't really much of a reason.If you want some peace and quiet... sure, if you're there, no problem - but if you aren't there, then turn the ban lines off.

How about an option for each resident to "visually turn off" ban lines from a menu option (rather than the hack around replacing the texture with a 100% alpha) so the opportunity to ban access remains for those who want it, those who are affected by it (either the alpha bug, griefing or whatever) can turn it seeing it?

You can still get the blue "not allowed" message pop up when you hit them, but surely this is a fairly simple option to code in giving those who want 'privacy' to have it, but prevents it being used to grief people, innocently or otherwise.