land angels group

I'm not associated in any way with Land Angels, but I doubt any zoning regs could be placed on the people geting their 1024 this way. The 1024s are in existing Sims, and zoning is only being discussed in the context of new, not-yet-sold Sims. The 1024s are also mixed in with existing lots/residents in those Sims who also have nothing to do with Land Angels. I see no reason to even think zoning could or should be imposed under those conditions.

As for an SL government - not going to happen. Nope. No way, no how. If there's government(s), it will be individual ones spotted here and there. It will never be grid-wide. So as far as backing or voting, I guess if in the future a previous Land Angels recipient ends up in a Sim with a government where a Land Angels Officer is running for office, then they might be pre-disposed to vote for him or her. But I see nothing weird about this. If I meet someone new in the Welcome Area, chat with them, mentor them through the purchase of the First Land and generally help them out, might not they vote for me in the unlikely event of me running for some office? Sure they might!

This thread in my opinion as officially gone to shitvilla!!

I personally feel that everything addressed and brought to our attention in the orginal post has been answered.

Yet, certain people are just going around and around stating the same questions or concerns.

Anshe's last post was understandable but didn't help.

I'm done with this thread because my questions have been answered and I feel that for now Land Angels is a legit group that is trying to help out the newbs! LEAVE THEM ALONE!

Goodbye!
MJ

Thanks Lisse for taking the time to answer my concerns. Very much appreciated.

Cat

That would look so cute on you!

Oh Queen Anshe - such a public display makes me more loyal to your dominion!! I bow and scrape before you and await your next command. "com'on Cristiano - get off my kneeling stool!"

Please close this thread this thread has come to end.

Although I would like to add that the founder of the Land Angels group never did answer any of the valid questions or concerns. I would of preferred that.

Have a good day.

Cat

Good idea, it has beaten itself to death.

Before we do though, I just wanted to thank Catherine for her persistent questioning of the issues at hand. It is this sort of courage that will push SL forward as a community in leaps and bounds.

Talen,

<<Quite the backhanded compliment....>>

It wasn't a backhanded compliment, it was a compliment.

Cristiano,

I have to say that with particular personnel involved in the formation of the land angels, you would have to be naive not to expect some degree of suspicion about their motives.

It's a bit like having Ronnie Biggs on the board of the Bank of England.

i'm more suspicious of your motives. what exactly are you up to anyway?!

Jauani,

Sorry - I don't understand the question.

thats not right.

Jauani,

Just to make it clear. The point I was making in my posting was this.

1. A group is set up by someone who, rightly or wrongly, has a reputation in sl for unethical business practice and greed.

Let me stress that this isn't necessarily my view, but it certainly seems to be the view of many of the posters to these forums

2. The society does land deals, and claims that it does so for purely altruistic motives.

3. If you expect people not to be suspicious, in my view you are being very naive.

Sorry to have to put it so bluntly. I tried to do it with humour in my last posting, but that clearly didn't work.

I've done a lot of thinking about all of this and what everyone affiliated with these groups keep saying is (paraphrasing) "why shouldn't I be able to buy land and sell it at market prices". I totally agree with this. You should be able to sell them at market prices. But when you own the market, who sets the prices?

It's much like the price of gas in a way. First you have a group like OPEC who owns the oil, they gather together to set the price per barrel. Then you have the refiners and distributers who set the price to which the gas stations pay. Of course they have to mark it up to make some money off it. And finally the gas gets to the gas stations. But instead of just marking it up so they can make a profit from it, they look around to see what other stations are charging. Then take into consideration how much they paid, they mark it up. They up the prices for holidays, or just because they want to, and all the other stations follow suit and up thier prices because they think the market can handle it.

Not everyone in SL can afford 3000L for a 512m patch of land. In fact, only people who have been around a while, or sink a whole lot of real world $ into it can afford it. Newbies sure can't.

I wonder if I could ask one final question of the group please? A couple of my friends are relative newbies who have yet to claim their land for the landless plots and they wondered:

Are the newbies only offered snow land? If they do not want snow land, are they offered an alternative?

Than you

Latonia

When I asked for myself, I was offered only snow land. Also the land is in a PG sim. I do not believe they offer any other type of land as they can still resell that land and make a profit from it.

it was my silly response to your statement:



1> as a collection of land traders with a history of honest trading practices with the consuming public, i don't understand why someone as intelligent as your self would imply untrustworthiness

2> perhaps it is good to be suspicious of everyone and everything. in which case i am suspicious of you!

2> our motives are all individual and our own. our actions is to give players 1024 plots in exchange for 512 plots. we encourage them to do their research. the more active members in doing these activities will NOT be land traders. the land traders will donate free tier and at times, land.

3> suspicious of what? how can we cheat someone when it is our land donation and our tier donation?

note these following things, everyone, because i find it incredibly silly people are overlooking reasonable explanations in favour of festering suspicion:

1> building this community is important to us. players who think it serves us to suck sl dry are way off base, but then we are the rational business people not them. it serves people who profit from SL to promote this community and help it grow for the sustainibility of our own business.

2> it is in our interest to have honest businesses. it is not good to bite the hand that feeds you. short term benefits of cheating or deceiving are a trifle compared to the long term benefits of good business dealings and reputations.

3> it is in our favour to promote land ownership. we all started with 512. we all now own a lot lot more. a newbie encouraged to trade up today by the existence of our program could become a customer for a sim in 1 year. a newbie frustrated today might never log in again.

4> it is not logical for us to collectively donate land tier to a group for money making as we lose control of our inventory.

5> if we were a pack of untrustworthy people, why would we trust each other with tier and land donations to this group?

you all may believe you are entitled to answers, but you are not. this is our own private non profit land SL promoting organization. so when you enter discussions with us, please acknowledge that this operation, and our communications are in the interest of promoting sl and frame your criticism, suggestions, and questions appropriately.

1> if one can afford a 1000 USD computer, broad band, and a premium account, after covering all of lifes expenses, and additional 15 USD is not a lot.

2> if you look at the auctions you will see that land traders each have their own individual threshold price for various kinds of land. on any particular day, it's very predictable. this is determined by the necessary margin to remain sustainable/profitable at the current market valuations. when end consumers bid on land at market value, they always win.

3> end consumers dictate market price. owning land has a monthly cost to traders. we must sell to be able to pay our tier. if we price too high, we won't sell, but LL will keep adding land, meaning that we will be stuck holding the bag as players buy at prices agreable to them from the auction. it is imperative for us to charge no more than what the market will bear to remain profitable.

there are plenty of discussions on land prices on the forum for you to look up. i will try to make a link listing for them in the near future to help demystify the market for new users.

It wasn't a compliment at all when surrounded by negative rhetoric.

Suspicion of motives goes both ways too....persons posting to this thread have a history with one of the group members and have made it very clear in numerous threads how they feel. Even at the end when questions were answered some people still wouldn't accept that because it didn't come from the person they wanted it to come from. There is no leader to the group...everyone is an officer.

I've looked into the group and the people involved and I believe its a great thing they are doing...so much so I joined so that I can help where they need me to....and I'm not a land baron but I'm sure this now completes the conspiracy link because we all know eachother to some extent and now are in the same group.

we will offer what we have. just today i donated 4096 m2 of lost lakes region land as my contribution to start up the program, so i can say with certainty it definitely isn't just snow land.

Thank you for replying and so quickly.

Latonia

Talen,

<<I've looked into the group and the people involved and I believe its a great thing they are doing...so much so I joined so that I can help where they need me to....>>

That's great. I hope it all works well.

So, did the land angels sink or float?

Oh pffft! We are alive and well and still trading small for less small!

Hey, sweety, just a question by a curious lurker: There are a ton of land barons but you people here always talk about one. Don't they all do the same? This Lisse Livingstone and Schwansen Schlegel and I don't know the other names I read but you seem pretty cool about them. But this Anshe Chang is flamed like the devil. Hey, I am thinking about buying land. Is she gonna screw me over or talk me into buying some overpriced trash?