land angels group

Well, on the one hand I'm sad *sniff* that I never got invited to any of these nefarious groups.

On the other hand, I'm glad *woohoo* that I don't belong to any of them!

I am confused how Sensual's shopping island is considered one of those groups, though...

The only thing that concerns me about the Land Angels that I learnt since receiving their info notecard is that they are approaching residents before they have their First Land, and thus preseumably telling them which First Land to buy, to immediately sell in order to get their 1024m2. I had assumed they were only approaching people who had already moved onto First Land.

Can anyone tell me exactly what happens to that First Land that is swapped out? We've heard it is set for sale. How is that price determined? Is it the price that their new 1024m2 of snowland was being offered for before? What safeguards are in place to ensure there is no profit made? Who gets the money from the First Land sales?

Tifen please dont attack the person attack the topic. Now please try again I would be happy to talk with you about this.

Lisse that is an excellent question, I had not considered that before. Thanks for bringing it up If anyone has the serious answer to this excellent point please post away.

Cat

I threw that note card together kind of quickly. We do not guide these folks as to which 512 they should buy before hand!! If a newbie comes up to me and says Hi I have 512 to swap for 1024 -- if I have the 1024 available - I will swap it.

My personal opinion is that making money is allowed. It facilitates our being able to buy more land to donate to Land Angels. That is just my opinion. If I let a newbie swap - they are happy with their 1024 for the price of 512. If I can resell and make a profit so that I can again buy 1024 somewhere then I have saved them the time and effort of doing that themselves. Some people don't want to look and haggle - they just want some land and a homebase.

I gave away 1500 sqm once and had I been able to sell a 512sqm of land that was exchanged for it, I would have reinvested it into this group. The group is not necessarily about losing money - I see it as a non-profit type of organization/group. Money made is recycled into the group. Hopefully we will be able to keep the land exchange flowing.

But again - I want to strongly voice that we do NOT get new folks to buy what we want them too. Sheesh. Did the notecard really suggest that? I have to tweak it again and resend. Maybe have someone else in the group look at it - hey, theres an idea!

Who did you learn this from and what exactly is your proof that newbies are being approached before they buy first land? Not being a prick here but that is a very pointed accusation.

I think the second paragraph is vague, but not meant to imply anything underhanded because of it. I wil edit it after consulting with outher members as I don't want to be burned at the stake for my words on a notecard. Ok?? ok..

I guess I want to add that it gets discouraging when you keep reading sinister things into every pixel and byte. Its hard for us 'good, hard working' folk to plow through the muck raking. Common and give us a break and a chance - if you please.

Ursa I have a question for the group. How does the group decide on the 1024 plots? I mean it seems that your group would be working at a loss continualy unless that 1024 was purchased at a very reduced price. Some of the concern I have herd is that the 1024 is located very far from any telehub, or that its located on a shear cliff. Which makes ppl think its not good land. Do they get to pick which 1024 lot they want?

Thanks for answering my concerns about 1024 plots of land.

Cat

Yes, because you said that it was residents who had not yet claimed their first land who were eligible, that I jumped to the wrong conclusion. Sorry about that! Perhaps you should say that residents who have already claimed and still own, or who are willing to claim First Land are eligible?

I like that Lisse its straight forward.

Cat

Are too

As one of people in the group, I feel a lot better when I can actually see the newbie claiming the First Land. Because then I can really be sure I am dealing with newbie and not somebody trying to make some little extra. This is why we encourage newbies to approach us before they claim the First Land. However, that is not meant to exclude anybody. If land is already claimed we just need check a few other things a bit more thoroughly

TROLL!!1!

Anshe as officer of land angels could you please answer this question below. I am sorry if it sounds hard its not ment to be I tried to reword it but I am very tired right now.

I have a question for the group. How does the group decide on the 1024 plots? I mean it seems that your group would be working at a loss continualy unless that 1024 was purchased at a very reduced price. Some of the concern I have herd is that the 1024 is located very far from any telehub, or that its located on a shear cliff. Which makes ppl think its not good land. Do they get to pick which 1024 lot they want?

Thanks for answering my concerns about 1024 plots of land.

Cat

I would also like to ask...is this trade for 512 pg land in exchange for 1024 pg land? Or 512 mature land for 1024 mature land?

OR...512 pg land for 1024 Mature land? Or 512 mature land for 1024 pg land?

OR... all of the above?

Also do they get to choose which 1024 plot they want out of what's available?

How successful is this non-profit organization?

Just curious and ty in advance for answering my questions.

MJ

Am Not

Are you sure?

Land is temporarily finite. It is literally created out of thin air.



Government exists only within LLab's ToS and Community Standards. Everything else is playing around, no legal basis, no authority. Period.



The $L and land is only worth what people are willing to pay for it. That's true of anything. It's not new.

LF

You know Catherine, I've read some of your posts and you are a fairly intelligent person with an obviously curious mind.

I find it odd that you are so strongly against the benefits of rational self interest.

Basically, what people want to see in SL is a place where people proft for themselves and in doing so bring value to everyone.

In some cases, the distribution of wealth isn't as equal as we would like. Lots of profit for individuals and little value created for everyone.

Those cases need to be carefully debated and understood and the rules need to be changed so the balance is still there but the motivation exists because there is profit to be had.

That debate should never lose the sight of one thing: the way to provide value is generaly always by letting people profit.

I, personally, am more interested in bringing value to everyone. But I see the way to do that is by letting people profit. Therefore, I look for ways to let people profit.

No.

This entire thread, you've done nothing but "prove" conjecture and jump to conclusions.

Your "facts" rest on the statement that certain individuals belong to certain groups.

The rest of your posts to this thread consist of:

1) Calling people trollls.
2) Saying how blatently obvious your conspiracy is.
3) Personal attacks and defenses that have little to do with your claim.

LF

Lordfly, you are being a bit harsh.

Catherine has a lot of good points, and personally they're all valid as far as I see them.

But if you take a step back and look at the big picture you'll realise that this very loosely based conspiracy is for the benefit of SL, not for its downfall.

We all have an agenda, you only need 5 minutes of talking to any of these people to figure out that, but you'll find the agenda is a good one.

People who are here to rape and pillage generally give up after about an hour and look for much lower hanging fruit.

MrsJackal's post of yesterday asks the very questions I was about to ask.

In addition, does the group inform the newbies of the differences in land value? - ie PG, M, by water, miles from a hub, side of a mountain etc etc. There are considerable differences in price and I think they should be made aware of that.

Also are they informed that when they go to 1024 sqm, they will have to pay land tier?

I look forward to hearing the answers to these and MrsJackal's questions from a group member.

Thank you.

Latonia

As usual, Catherine is asking valid and relevant questions, and as usual she is getting flamed for it.

Catherine,

You would be careful not to paint the entire group with the same broad brush, which you seem to be doing. I cannot speak to anyone else's motivations except my own, so I won't try to, even though labelling an entire group seems to be en vogue at the moment. I have been one of the most vocal proponents of abuse in the land market. Hell, I am the one who dubbed Anshe "La Baronista", and who worked very hard to get the loophole with claiming of auction land closed. My view on this has not changed.

When Anshe originally launched the group, I was skeptical and declined her invitation to be an officer. After giving it some thought and researching it a little more, I decided to join for several reasons. First, I do believe in actually working to make a change instead of just talking about it. Also, I was not going to let Anshe or anyone else point to this group and say "See, we invited the people who criticised us to help make changes, and they declined". Additionally, the land baron issue has become a horrible cycle of public attacks and very little progress. If anyone has any hopes of making a change, it certainly is not going to happen flaming each other into oblivion.

So far, I have not had much of an opportunity to work with the group because of other commitments, and I have my own vision for what I would like to see happen, and I intend to become more active with the group. I personally feel that finding ways to grant land, resources and tier fee relief to new players is far more important than just helping them upgrade to a larger plot. I recognize you have misgivings about some of those that are involved in this group, but it has hardly gotten off the ground enough to have this kind of attention and negativity levelled at it.

In the interest of disclosure, I will state that I own 101,000m of land - including 45,000m of Mavericks and now close to 25,000m of Federal, as part of the group Midnight Land Trust. In the past year, I have sold land three times. Each time was at a significant loss compared to what I paid for it. I may be a land baron in sheer scope, but definitely not in spirit or motivation. Please do not malign me in the course of discussing this group.