land angels group

We all have our biases, Catherine - yours have shown as well. I joined the group in order to be able to help, and feel that the group has a real chance to do that if it does not get mired down in negativity and focuses on the task at hand. If that makes me biased, then I am biased.

I just now answered your questions that you restated. My reasons for not asking them sooner is it is difficult when they are splintered across mulitple posts in a very long thread. In stead of posting that your questions have not been answered, just restate them and they will ultimately be answered.

BTW, I would ask how I or Ursa have a lot of power in SL? I own a lot of land, but it is all for personal use. I am not even sure what Ursa's resources are. My main concern is that you continue to label an entire group's motives, which is an unfair thing to do.

Cristiano;

Thank you! That is what I wanted to know.

The fact that a land baron is in charge of such a group still leaves me feeling uneasy at best. I would feel much better if it were run by a regular player who wasn't in the land business for profit. I feel this is a valid concern.

Cat

I think you are confusing founded by with in charge of. Anshe started the group, but she has no more power in it than anyone else, and you may recall what happened with a previous group she founded. Whatever Anshe's original motivations were for starting the group, by involving the people she has in the group, she has ensured that there is a balance and has actually taken a hands off approach to the group. If the group does not do what it is intended, then I will join you in loudly criticising it. Until that point, give it a chance and do not focus so much on who the creator of the group was. Look at the fact that there are several people involved who feel just as strongly as you do about various issues, and simply want to see this group succeed on its merits. Anshe and I have certainly had our differences, but I am willing to reach out and make an effort here because I believe that is the most important part.

There is a difference between a bias and a well written out in the open opnion.

The reason I said your questions are becoming bias is becuase at first you answered the questions at hand then you started defending your groups and friends.

I did repost them 3 times.

If you and Ursa made this all about you I can't help that. I interjected some things that raised a flag with me. Those concerns were validated. Not by you or Ursa. I am raising questions that some are uncomfortable with. When ppl put themselves in a position of power they must then accept that their motives and actions will be questioned.

To do otherwse would be to turn a blind eye to our concerns. I hope you are not suggesting that I or anyone else not voice our concerns. I did so in the best way I could with public knowledge and with public information. I did not openly bash anyone in doing so. If your name is on one of the lists and you feel your being called on the carpet for your affiliations I cannot help that your name was in a members group list.

Cat

I think her original motives are very relevant. IMO

I am focusing on the common connections of all these group affiliations.

I am not going to wait untill one person is in charge of everything to bring up my concerns. I am bringing it up becuase I already have concerns.

Again I am on the fence personaly about some of these issues myself. In order to make an informed decision I will continue to question things that influence that decision.

Thanks;

Cat

I guess I better go buy some tinfoil so I can get working on my hat.

-AP

It doesn't sound like a particularly clever way to get people more involved in SL.

In order for this work at anything other than a complete loss, you need to trade 512 lots for less desireable 1024 lots.

Why not just let the users put their 512 lot up for sale and then go and buy a 1024 lot? Or why not just hold land classes which show them how to do that?

But, you can't fault for Christiano for taking time to try to explain. Kudos all around..

I am not making it all about me or Ursa, I am just asking you not to label an entire group. Your bias is showing in the way you feel about Anshe. To think that it's not is silly, and I am not even saying I don't understand it. I just asked you to look at the group as a whole, not solely its founder. You are right, you did not openly bash anyone, but you made statements that do label the entire group, and as such, I was responding to them.

I think they are only relevant in as much as she holds any power above anyone else in the group, which she does not. The alliance of friendships within the group actually are not in her favor, they are against her, so her hands would be tied anyway.

I don't blame you for raising these issues, I am just trying to keep this group from being negatively labelled in the process.

That is where the charity aspect of this comes in. For the group to truly work, the land has to be desireable to the new player or they won't agree to it anyway. Nowhere in this thread does it state the land will be less desireable than the original plot. The purpose of not having them go out and buy a 1024m plot is those plots would be selling for regular market price.

Yes, indeed they are. You caught me. Now I have to confess:

Instead of taking 10000 sqm of land and sell them for 30000 L$ or so, I decided to found one group and donate that land to group. With that land I planned to, at same time, screw newbie and bribe them. By screw them I would make the group funds grow and become ever more powerful and by bribe them I would slowly create one army of fanatic loyalist newbie.

Then next step in my original motivation is use my army of newbie to take over Second Life. You know, I already took over Shadowbane and ruled with iron fist

By putting people in Land Angel group who are also member of various other power groups like Neualtenburg, I made sure to have loyal officers who help me control those other groups too. As you can see, everybody in Land Angel is officer, so it is really one powerful group. With my special skill of seduction and erotic domination all boy and girls in group, including billy or Cristiano, now became my helpless zombies to further my scheme for total power and domination

Now you caught me, so my plan suffered serious setback. But of course I know how to fight battle so I will find other ways to take over Second Life. Maybe my new conspiracy with H.E.L.L. or my special connections to EBay will help. Rest assured, time will come when Anshe Chung rules and you find for sale signs on ALL plots of Second Life. Then of course all dissidents go to prison and will have to spend their time to paint new for sale signs for my personal pleasure

Are those ppl told that the purchase of 1024 m2 will affect their tier and the amount they pay each month?

On a side note; One of the group officers validated my concerns, if that adversly affects your group and what you are trying to do then that is a problem you need to be conderned with. Yes I agree with that. I however do not beleiive that it is my responcibility to shelter your group from the adverse affects brought on by your leaders.

Cat

LOL nothing would suprize me in SL to be honest.

Cat

Your question has already been answered in this thread, by me. You perceive one problem, I perceive another, and I am addressing my concerns by countering statements made in this thread with information. I am not asking you to shelter the group, at the same time it does not give you cause to malign it either.

Catherine who has made you head watchdog of SL? These people are trying to do something good and you are all about tearing it down. I find it hard to believe you have SL's best interests at heart here...rather I think you have a personal bias against Anshe and you are doing whatever you can to drag her name through the mud no matter who you drag along with her.

I remember a while ago when you did the same to Shadow.

Sorry Cristiano this thread is huge sorry i missed that question. Care to repost the answer

Cat

I think what LL is envisioning here is something that will only be available on a very limited number of Sims. In other words, it will be entirely opt-in, and most of SL will in fact have no part of it at all. It would only apply to (some) new Sims, and not existing ones.

I have no desire to live in a Gated Community. However, I recognize that some people do. I'm not going to say that Gated Communities should not exist.

I asked Haney what would happen to the zoning rules should the original Sim buyer leave SL, and he said it would be handed over to a committee of residents in that Sim.

When you say "Any system which is run by one singular group of ppl is a bad thing for SL." I think you mean "Any global system which is run by one singular group of ppl is a bad thing for SL."

Otherwise, you're saying that Ouranous is a bad thing for SL. Bedazzled is a bad thing for SL. Avalon is a bad thing for SL. Spellbound is a bad thing for SL. Midnight City is a bad thing for SL.

This would by no means be a global system - it would only apply to land in certain Sims, by virtue of them having been bought originally by someone who wanted to impose zoning. It would be no different from what is happening now in Sims currently owned by one person - private islands, Indigo, etc. The only difference would be that the residents of that Sim would actually own their land, not rent it.

However, as Cris said, this has nothing to do with Land Angels.

Catherine,

Tier fees are explained to players who are interested in the 1024m of land. While it is not our responsbility to do so, as this information is explained in their accounts, as part of helping players it is something that we do.

Any entire system that is run by one person or one group of ppl is a bad thing for SL. One global system. Yes correct. Although our wording may be different I agree one global system would be bad for sl.


It does have to do with land angels when the founder of the group is for govt and zoning.

Let me ask you something; I am asking becuase your founder believes in both zoning and a player run gov't in SL.

Does land angles have any furture plans in zoning its residents?

Will those residents be asked or encouraged to back any member of the land angels group in a sl gov't?

If your group is doing what you say its doing then I admire the effort.

Cat

This is where you start to veer off track into conjecture, Catherine.

Zoning its residents? We don't have residents, they are individual land transactions across a variety of sims. If land zoning is added in the future to SL and the group is still in operation, then if a plot is in a zoned sim and the player chooses that plot, that would be up to them.

The government statement does not warrant response, it is too out there.

Quite the backhanded compliment....

To the Land Angels

If the group is looking for more people to help I would gladly lend a hand in any way I could.

Cristiano I simply was asking about the future plans of your group. Which would be revelent to the topic at hand. As you say the ppl who benifit from your group are spread across several sims, so that answers my questions.

Thanks

Cat

Talen Morgan I find it ironic that you are continuing to harrass me again today. I have asked you to stop yet you don't.

I also find it ironic that you accuse me in a public forum of bashing at least 2 ppl which I have not done. Yet you continue to harrass and bash me for the last 2 days.

You are now on perm. ignore.