land angels group

Guni,

I'm not your sweety, or your sweetie, come to that.

It's no use your asking me about Anshe. She has been heavily flamed on these forums. I don't mind criticism, but I don't think that what she had to put up with was fair. Every now and then, it seems, some woman is picked from these forums for a good roasting. Not very nice.

My comment was about the perception of the land barons, and in particular Anshe.

As for whether you will be 'screwed over' by Anshe, you'll have to ask someone who's had dealings with her. A friend of mine has bought land from her, and has been quite happy with the deal.

I have had nothing but honorable dealings with Anshe.
I doubt she would still be in business if she was even 1% as bad as these forums have made her out to be.

Not that my opinion will mean much but I too have bought quite a few parcels from Anshe in Rose...all were below market price at the time..

Hey, I am sorry for the "sweety". Lol. Didn't know you don't like that.

I have no opinion about Anshe. But common sense tells me she is either a bitch and folks here should be able to list a ton of examples in which she screwed others or they should leave her alone. One way or the other. Darn I am probably getting myself into something I should not be messing with. Lol.

Guni,

I have dealt with Anshe in buying and selling some lots - always seemed like fair market prices to me and was pleasant to deal with.

I have also dealt with her in renting out spots in some of the markets she owns/manages. Also have had no problem with her in any dealings.

I believe she is an honorable business woman who is out to make a profit and I see nothing wrong with that. If I was still in the market for land I would not hesitate to buy from her.

1) Many people don't have a 1000USD computer, broadband, and a premium account. I know many who play using a handmedown computer from a relative and use dialup. And to me an extra 15 bucks can be a lot of money. Don't play the everyone who is in here must be rich card.

2) The market is not driven by the consumer, it is driven by the seller. Save for a few who are just trying to get rid of their land, I have noticed a very consistant pattern of pricing which can be anywhere from 1500 to 3000 for one 512m patch of old newbie land, and it increases weekly by a few bucks or so. This isn't market value, this is an inflated value established by an organization who is much like the gas stations I refered to in my post earlier.

3) This is not entirely true, you are right when you say that you will not sell if you price too high, but if everyone prices too high, then it becomes the new "market value". This is also the reason why I pay $2.05 for a gallon of gas when the prices of oil really haven't moved up high enough to warrant it. It's also the reason why the oil companies and the gas station chains earned triple what they did last year.

Price fixing/Gouging.. That is what is happening here. I'll say it again, we don't set the price on land as consumers. You do as a seller. Also, I have no problems with you making money $L or $US, what I have a problem with is the artificial inflation of the pricing on land due to a group of land barons who are either knowingly or unknowingly bumping the price on land up to insane levels. The only thing I can see happening is that land prices will rise to a point at which they are not affordable to the casual and new player. At which point only the land barons, and those who want to blow buttloads of money on it will own it.

Suspicion is one thing, and again it has been responded to. Anshe is a big girl and can defend herself, and has. The conspiracy theory du jour thing is what gets old, Selador. When the answer is not nearly as nefarious as one would hope, then a new accusation gets thrown into the mix - it went from "Well, do you only give crappy plots" to "Are you forcing zoning and someone to vote for your candidate???". I have no problem answering concerns, but there reaches a point where you know what, actually see what the group has done and then judge it - until then it is all just conjecture. I did not join the group as a watchdog, but to try to actually do something to help this important situation. I would ask what the loudest detractors from it have done to bring about any change (that is not directed at you).

tharkis,
the reason you don't agree is because you also don't understand how the oil market works.

currently what were developing nations - india and china - are now becoming heavily industrialized and modernized simultaneoulsy. consequently they are placing a huge demand on oil on the world market. this is why the barrel has shot up 20$ in one year. and because america invaded iraq. oil price is currently being dictated by an unprecedented high demand.

it is always easy to blame the man but eventually, if you take the time to investigate, you realize that there is no man, just a system. as you are making analogy with a commodity market you don't understand, i do not fault you for drawing the wrong conclusion. your arguement is an old one and you can do a forum search to see what others have to say about it.

I'm only about halfway through the thread right now, but just had to ask a question. Catherine, why are you calling everyone that disagree's with you a Troll? Their responses have been on topic, so I cannot understand why you keep using that word. Are you going to call me a Troll now just because I am in the Neultenburg group? What if I agreed with you, would I still be a Troll because I am in that group? I just don't understand why you keep calling people Trolls instead of answering valid posts?

So now this group is price fixing in addition to everything else? You are posting about this in the Land Angels thread, so I assume you are referring to the group colluding, yes? The price of land has dropped dramatically over the past 6 months, not risen. Interestingly, it seems that the land barons are giving better pricing than players trying to sell their own land. I just purchased 5000m of land in Federal at $3 a meter from an evil land baron, and another 3000m of land at $4/m from a different seller. I have a neighbor who has their land marked for $11/m. Buyer beware. Linden Lab solved a huge part of the land price issue by flooding the market with nearly 200 sims in the past few months.

Before you flame me for any of this, I am not a land baron at all - I don't sell land. I think there was a genuine point at which the market was being unduly influenced by a variety of factors, but it corrected itself - the bubble burst pretty dramatically. The value of the L$ is off dramatically from the highs it was at a few months ago.

***Gouges own eyeballs out w/ titanium spork***

Ahhh! Now this thread looks much better!

Hey, thx for the answers. Guess I should just like Ms. Chang by default. Coz u know what? My Mom always told me: "Boy, screw da heresay and stick to da fact stuff, will yah?" Lol, now I mentioned my Mom ROFL.

No kidding. I read through all that stuff today and just didn't find the point. Hey, I even did a search and read the heck what! Think we all should give that girl a break now. Lol. Least til someone finds that smelly corpse in her trunk. Or ur trunk. Or my trunk. LOLOLOL.

Guni - you eerily remind me of someone named Shep... not sure why. Just a feeling.

Attack the topic, not the person. Please.

I see some ppl wavering off topic here into a more blame game. As far as the names being in the same lists for land angles, land barons, second life business ppl. That was their choice to be in each of these groups. I keep hearing why is "mrs smith" being brought up again. The answer is obvious. That person is on each of the lists. So lets stop focusing on the why is mrs smith being mentioned again please. I am not mentioning Mrs. Smith others are.

There is no conspiricy therory, I am simply pointing out something that caused me great concern.

If there were no land barons or ppl with affiliations to the second life business ppl group in the land angels group there would be no suspision of the land angels group.

For ppl to come forward and say that we should all believe that any affiliation with the groups mentioned is only doing good and has nothing but swell intentions. Would be to say the least nieve. Especialy when some of those listed have made less than good business decisions for players in the past. As per posts in these forums. Its common knowledge not heresay or speculation.

One last point that was made was about what some think others can afford based on the computer they own. Who remembers the early story of how Catherine Omega was able to connect to SL? She was homeless and had to rig a computer together to gain access to SL. I have no idea what ppl can afford, but more so its none of my business what they can or can't. I certainly hope that no group is basing their prices structures on what they believe ppl can afford.

Please do not partake in calling each other out personaly it doesn't add anything but negativity to the topic at hand.

Cat

In a social environment people with like ideas tend to group together to accomplish certain goals. It should come as no suprise to see the same people involved with charity, land, government, and economics. They are intertwined, like it or not.

Mrs. Smith

if they hadn't put themselves in a leader position for these groups we wouldn't be having this conversation. Do not shoot the messenger.

I haven't named any names, nor do I intend to. It's not for me to assign blame, I am merely stating what I see. And to me, yes this does seem like price fixing. Do I think it's intentional price fixing? Maybe in some cases, but not in all.

No one is in a leader position in this group .....really pretty easy to understand

No one is leader, hmm interesting. Then there should be no founder or officers then. Ah but there are. Insteresting but WRONG.


*wonders who is the puppet and who is the puppet master?

I would venture to guess the average hardware required to play SL costs between $800-$1200 USD. Broadband or DSL are required, I have heard of a few sporadic instances where someone was actually able to connect via dial up, they where not able to move. $15
is a small amount to pay for a parcel of land...compared to the recurring tier fees.


The price of land in 1.1 was between $3 and $6 per m2. If you where to buy a private island the price per meter is ~ $3.78L per meter squared. So you see, 1500-3000 for a 512m2 plot is actually a bargain.

What you say here would require a conspiracy of grand proportion. If it where true, we would still see land at $15L per m2 still. It is a liquid market.

If a land baron held all the land in SL, this would be true. Consumers dictate the prices. Its really very simple.

ROFL.
How do you start a group w/o a founder?
And since everyone is an officer, I guess we are all puppet masters.

um then your agreeing with me. Talen said no one was in charge. Well someone has to start a group dont they.

sometimes I think some would argue that the world is flat if i said it was round.

sigh.

I guess I was just under the impression that the founder of a group was the person that created it. Why do we even have officer/member designations if everyone in a group is controlled by it's founder?



Last time I looked at the map....the world was flat.

Catherine you keep choosing to read only what you want in this statement. A group composed entirely of officers means no one person in the group is the leader, regardless of Anshe's founder status - that is a technicality as a group has to be started by someone. You will again remember that any officer can be voted out of a group by recall, even its founder. You are fixated on Anshe as the founder meaning she somehow weilds more power in the group than anyone else. As I have stated repeatedly, the relationships of the other officers involve do not favor Anshe having any control at all. No one is seeking to control the group, we are seeking to participate in it and actually do something. I recognize that you have strong issues with Anshe, that has been clear in post after post. However, you say to not make this personal when you have done so throughout this entire thread by making it about Anshe, whether you admit it or not does not change the fact that you have.