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Surreal Farber
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12-29-2004 13:55
From: Aimee Weber
One more thing Imagoel...this is not a battle between you and Mistress. This is a battle between content creators and content thieves. We all know what team we are on. I took my battle scars from you in the form of neg ratings, and I am going to wear them proudly because I know I was right.


Aimee, I hate the ego stroke posts... BUT YOU ROCK!! Amen!!

LOL

Surreal
Clint Cartier
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12-29-2004 13:56
While I personally would like to make examples of these people with no skills except to steal, I must take this time to mention that not all of you are in my mall in milu. The cartier mall.
So while this is a crime of it's own. Lets not forget that the people who actually make these items have overhead costs they need to pay for. For instance mall rent. :P Example, a large 35 prim spot at my mall is $65l a week and 65 prim spots are 125 a week.

When you steal, you take money from the object creators who in turn have to cut their costs in order to stay alive. Thats when they stop renting at my mall. and thats when I get mad.
And I am a happy guy. I dont like to get mad.

You dont see too many people in SL without their right hand, you know why? because only a few people steal from me. :P
Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
12-29-2004 13:59
From: Surreal Farber
Aimee, I hate the ego stroke posts... BUT YOU ROCK!! Amen!!

LOL

Surreal


Thank you. Thank you. All future statements will be made through my press secretary. :D

-aimee
Mistress Midnight
pfft!!
Join date: 13 May 2003
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12-29-2004 14:05
From: Aimee Weber
Thank you. Thank you. All future statements will be made through my press secretary. :D

-aimee


*press secretary*
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Jonquille Noir
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12-29-2004 14:05
Very well stated, Aimee.

From: Aimee Weber
I am not so much interested in Imagoel's head on a platter as I am a positive outcome to this whole thing. However having Imagoel take the stolen items down and apologize is not enough because it sends a signal to others that they can still make a month's worth of income by stealing before they get caught, and the only consequence is having to apologize.

Instead, whatever happens to Imagoel should send a signal to everybody that stealing is going to be far more costly than just creating your own content in the game.

I would also like to see the process of catching/punishing these people streamlined so we don't need to form a village mob every time someone does it. This whole issue shouldn't have gone this far! Francis and Mistress should have been able to let a Linden know, and the process of removing stolen items and punishing the sellers should have been swift and routine.

One more thing Imagoel...this is not a battle between you and Mistress. This is a battle between content creators and content thieves. We all know what team we are on. I took my battle scars from you in the form of neg ratings, and I am going to wear them proudly because I know I was right.

-aimee
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BurgerKing Macdonald
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12-29-2004 14:07
END of disgussion! lol :p
BurgerKing Macdonald
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12-29-2004 14:09
I mean ... if you keep goin on...
are you any better than Imagoel?

I dont think so ...
let this rest in peace :D
Mistress Midnight
pfft!!
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12-29-2004 14:14
From: BurgerKing Macdonald
I mean ... if you keep goin on...
are you any better than Imagoel?

I dont think so ...
let this rest in peace :D


OK Alty McAlterton
;)
and no, its not over till there is justice
when you wrong someone and apologize it doesnt offset the 'wrong'
There is still an issue with punishment ;)


PIE!
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BurgerKing Macdonald
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12-29-2004 14:18
From: Mistress Midnight
OK Alty McAlterton
;)
and no, its not over till there is justice
when you wrong someone and apologize it doesnt offset the 'wrong'
There is still an issue with punishment ;)


PIE!



punishment... OMG Im glad I dont vote like you ... I bet you like death penalty to!
play fair! :o
Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
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12-29-2004 14:19
From: BurgerKing Macdonald
I mean ... if you keep goin on...
are you any better than Imagoel?

I dont think so ...
let this rest in peace :D


Uh... WE get to decide when the discussion is over. WE also get to decide if our positions and postings make us better or worse than Imagoel, assuming "better" is even relevant here. The discussion will most likely end when the Lindens take action making stealing a losing proposition.

-aimee
Mistress Midnight
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12-29-2004 14:20
From: BurgerKing Macdonald
punishment... OMG Im glad I dont vote like you ... I bet you like death penalty to!
play fair! :o


Imagine! someone steals from me & my friends and profits from it and i want retribution!
what NERVE I have!
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Aimee Weber
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12-29-2004 14:20
From: Mistress Midnight
OK Alty McAlterton


LOL!! <3

-aimee
BurgerKing Macdonald
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12-29-2004 14:24
From: Mistress Midnight
Imagine! someone steals from me & my friends and profits from it and i want retribution!
what NERVE I have!


I never said I disaggreed with you ... I mean its not ok what she did ... and ofcause lindens should do something about it... perhaps make it not able for people to sell others objects... tho I heard people talking about this in SL and people are saying ... they are giving her a hard time... that means ... GIVE HER A BREAK ... she got it ... and she said she was sorry ... then why go on....
BTW its not ok to post someones name on the forums... right?
Clint Cartier
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12-29-2004 14:24
I need to bookmark this thread so I can give the URL to newbies who are confused as to why I wont let them rent at my mall when they are wanting to sell stuff they got for free from others.
Mistress Midnight
pfft!!
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12-29-2004 14:28
From: BurgerKing Macdonald
BTW its not ok to post someones name on the forums... right?



I only mentioned her name in the thread that I quoted her in :)
and incase you weren't paying attention (I could see how logging in and out with various accounts can be time consuming) she admitted to this :)
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Francis Chung
This sentence no verb.
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12-29-2004 14:28
From: Mistress Midnight
OK Alty McAlterton
;)
and no, its not over till there is justice
when you wrong someone and apologize it doesnt offset the 'wrong'
There is still an issue with punishment ;)


Also, it wouldn't hurt if she actually stopped selling other people's creations.
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Siggy Romulus
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12-29-2004 14:31
Especially when they've done it for over a year - without even exerting the effort to come up with a new excuse - or a new appology...

Siggy.
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BurgerKing Macdonald
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12-29-2004 14:35
From: Mistress Midnight
I only mentioned her name in the thread that I quoted her in :)
and incase you weren't paying attention (I could see how logging in and out with various accounts can be time consuming) she admitted to this :)



time consuming... various accounts?
Lash Xevious
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12-29-2004 14:44
From: BurgerKing Macdonald
I mean ... if you keep goin on...
are you any better than Imagoel?

I dont think so ...
let this rest in peace :D


I really despise folks that come along and try to piss on everything as they force their lame parenting skills on people who can very well think for themselves.

Things have been resolved. Not very well though. Imagoel's excuses are full of shit. Fuck the apologies. If ignorance was all we needed to get away with anything, I'd be stinking rich ... with a lot of dead bodies at my feet. Oh, but I didn't know killing was really, really bad. :rolleyes:

If any random hack can come up and sell stuff I made and get away with it, what is the point of having a little business in SL? What is it Lindens?! You all just want us to bend over and let these cons screw us to death?











Okay ... just needed to vent. Me go soak my head now. :p
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BurgerKing Macdonald
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12-29-2004 14:47
From: Lash Xevious
I really despise folks that come along and try to piss on everything as they force their lame parenting skills on people who can very well think for themselves.

ty ... I am a very good mother lol
Catherine Omega
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Join date: 10 Jan 2003
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12-29-2004 14:48
From: Imagoel Best
most of what you are saying I aggree on flipper :D one thing I dont aggree on ... no where it says copyrights in SL ... I mean I am allowed to make a hug if I want to ...
No, you're confusing a patent with copyright. Patenting a hug would be absurd, (though the EU and US have awarded far stranger patents) but an animation can be copyrighted. This would not preclude someone else making their own hug animation, but an identical copy, whether reverse-engineered or copied directly, would be permitted.

Basically, the difference is this: A patent is a monopoly on an IDEA. Copyright is a monopoly on a specific piece of art or media.

Here, read the Terms of Service, specifically, section 6.2:
From: someone
6.2 Rights in Content. You acknowledge that Linden and other Content Providers have rights in their respective Content under copyright and other applicable laws and treaty provisions, that they retain all such rights and that you accept full responsibility and liability for your use of any Content in violation of any such rights. You agree that your creation of Content is not in any way based upon any expectation of compensation from Linden. You shall indemnify and hold Linden harmless from and against any claims by third parties that your Content infringes upon, violates or misappropriates any of their intellectual property or proprietary rights.
So yes, there is copyright in SL. Note also that while a patent must be registered to be "owned", (excepting prior art) copyright on the other hand is granted automatically. Simply by creating a piece of content, ownership is granted.
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Aimee Weber
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12-29-2004 14:58
From: BurgerKing Macdonald
time consuming... various accounts?


What Mistress was implying was that you are an ALT, that is, one of Imagoel Best's alternate accounts. She suspects this because

1. The only time you ever posted on the forums were your comments just now.
2. While your account was created 3 months ago, you only have a few ratings which imply your account is seldom used.
3. For an account with such low milage you are very plugged into forum politics.
4. You are one of the few officers of European (a group founded by Imagoel Best). Muffin Boffin is another officer oddly enough.
5. You are one of the officers of Clan Morgan/Best along with Imagoel Best.
6. You are a member of TwisterRadio with Imagoel Best as an officer.
7. Broken engrish.
8. Identical misspellings and ... typing style (Thank you HoseQueen)

While a few of these points could simply imply that you are good friends with Imagoel, put them all together and I think Mistress suspected you are an Alt.

-aimee
HoseQueen McLean
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12-29-2004 15:03
don't ... forget ... the identical misspellings and ... typing style!

...!

Thank ... you, Aimee!
Mistress Midnight
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12-29-2004 15:06
From: Aimee Weber
What Mistress was implying was that you are an ALT, that is, one of Imagoel Best's alternate accounts. She suspects this because

1. The only time you ever posted on the forums were your comments just now.
2. While your account was created 3 months ago, you only have a few ratings which imply your account is seldom used.
3. For an account with such low milage you are very plugged into forum politics.
4. You are one of the few officers of European (a group founded by Imagoel Best). Muffin Boffin is another officer oddly enough.
5. You are one of the officers of Clan Morgan/Best along with Imagoel Best.
6. You are a member of TwisterRadio with Imagoel Best as an officer.
7. Broken engrish.
8. Identical misspellings and ... typing style (Thank you HoseQueen)

While a few of these points could simply imply that you are good friends with Imagoel, put them all together and I think Mistress suspected you are an Alt.

-aimee


press secretary wha?
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Weedy Herbst
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12-29-2004 15:13
So what is the result of this Mr. and Mrs. Linden? NOTHING?

Following 125 posts, an admission of theft, deliberate defiance to remove the items, neg storms to people who have the courage to speak up.

Pathetic administration of the Mentor program. Likewise the TOS is now laughable.
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