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Latonia Lambert
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Join date: 24 Jul 2004
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12-29-2004 13:08
I think its absolutely disgusting what this person did. At the very least, she should resign as a mentor/instructor. Personally I don't think being a newbie is any excuse for selling other people's work. I would not steal in RL and therefore have never stolen in SL.

I would like LL to tell us what action they are taking. If she does not resign from mentoring how is any newbie reading this going to trust any of the mentors, even though the majority do a fantastic job.

This person should be punished by LL and if they don't then their discipline codes are a travesty.

Latonia
Surreal Farber
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Join date: 5 Feb 2004
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12-29-2004 13:12
From: HoseQueen McLean
I am simply blown away after reading this thread in its entirety. This person not only stole other people's work, made a profit, did it over and over again... but has now admitted it, and still has suffered no formal consequences?

I have known people who have been suspended for swearing or showing nudity in a PG area, in a game that is supposed to be 18 and over only, and yet an admitted thief is free to go and find someone else to rip off.

This is certainly not incentive for those of us who work hard making and selling our ORIGINAL creations.

I know all this has been said before, but like I said... blown away.


Wow.. I finally waded through this thread too, and I think your summary says it all HoseQueen.

I simply do not understand why protecting content creator's IP rights is not a Linden priority. It does and will impact their bottom line.

Is this thief still a Mentor?

Surreal
Launa Fauna
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Join date: 31 Aug 2003
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12-29-2004 13:14
From: Surreal Farber
Is this thief still a Mentor?



yup.
:mad:
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Muffin Boffin
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Join date: 6 Sep 2004
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12-29-2004 13:14
wow 124 posts and answers ...
well some people dont regonize it when someone say "I am sorry ... I was bad/ a jerk"
move on guys ... why keep talking about this?
she said I am sorry ... then give her a break!
BurgerKing Macdonald
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Join date: 14 Sep 2004
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12-29-2004 13:16
From: Muffin Boffin
wow 124 posts and answers ...
well some people dont regonize it when someone say "I am sorry ... I was bad/ a jerk"
move on guys ... why keep talking about this?
she said I am sorry ... then give her a break!



I aggree... stop this ... she said I am sorry!
and I think more than once!
Clint Cartier
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Join date: 16 Apr 2003
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12-29-2004 13:17
pickles onions hold the lettice....
MrsJakal Suavage
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Join date: 18 Jul 2004
Posts: 1,434
12-29-2004 13:19
I received this in my e-mail...mind you I only rated her -1...I got all 3 in return.

Imagoel Best rated you negatively: ty for the rating... this is mine
and mistress battle
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David Valentino
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Join date: 1 Jan 2004
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12-29-2004 13:21
From: someone
you are right I need to take it all of sale ... and I will and I was goin to untill those midnight city people started treathning me bad... I never asked for trubble.


Sure you did. You stole. That IS asking for trouble.

From: someone
about the hug launa says I was selling of hers... yes that is true and I talked to her about it and said I would take it of sale because I got the script from a friend and thought he made it... didnt see it was her script... and i thought I took it of sale all over SL however it was still for sale in two of my shops... I changed it now with the script my hubby made.


I don't believe a word of this, but even if, in some wild turn of events it is true, why would you think your friend made it? Did you check the creator? And by the sounds of it, you just copied the script (or your husband did) so that it appears to be created by someone else.

From: someone
and about what siggy says ... yes I sold his hottub ... but that was when I was like 14 days old in SL I didnt know the rules and I learned it the hard way.


I don't see that you did learn the rules if you are doing the same thing all over again. Perhpas you know the rules, but decided to ignore them?

From: someone
I appoligise to launa and siggy for selling there object for a shorter periode wich were a mistake... about the hair I am selling... when I get an apoligy from the midnight city people I will take that off sale too... because as I said... I had two items that were called the same and put the wrong ones in my vendor!


You certainly make ALOT of mistakes. Perhaps retail isn't the business for you?

From: someone
I am a very forgivan person IRL and I guess that is why I dont get this taggin me ... so Midnight city people... lets talk it over and Ill remove the objects.


You don't get that people would be pissed at you for selling thier creations without thier permission? You are very forgiving how? Since you already stated you continued to sell the items because you were mad at them for being mad at you...

All in all, a pretty clear cut case of intentional theft and disregard for other peoples property and hard work, topped off by vindictiveness. I think I'll follow Sensual's banning plan. Wouldn't want you to steal my silverware or wallet by mistake...
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Belaya Statosky
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12-29-2004 13:24
This thread/situation only highlights how fucking pointless having negative ratings are in the rating system.

Also: I didn't think there was going to be any payoff reading all of this, but boy did the replies from her totally deliver a killer punchline.
Lordfly Digeridoo
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12-29-2004 13:24
From: Muffin Boffin
wow 124 posts and answers ...
well some people dont regonize it when someone say "I am sorry ... I was bad/ a jerk"
move on guys ... why keep talking about this?
she said I am sorry ... then give her a break!


Hey, muffin. I killed your dog.

And stuffed him in a rotten box.

And mailed it to Indonesia.

Third class mail.

Upside down.

On fire.

Sorry about that.

That makes it okay though, right?

LF
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Lo Jacobs
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12-29-2004 13:25
From: Muffin Boffin
wow 124 posts and answers ...
well some people dont regonize it when someone say "I am sorry ... I was bad/ a jerk"
move on guys ... why keep talking about this?
she said I am sorry ... then give her a break!


From: BurgerKing Macdonald
I aggree... stop this ... she said I am sorry!
and I think more than once!


Who the fuck are these people? Fuck off. Damn alts.
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HoseQueen McLean
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12-29-2004 13:28
Just a couple ... of people ... who type and misspell ... exactly ... the same.
Willow Zander
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12-29-2004 13:28
From: Lo Jacobs
Who the fuck are these people? Fuck off. Damn alts.


Goddamn you read my mind, I haven't frequented the forums of late, but DAMN did I have to read this thread, its so fucking unbelievable, i flew over there yesterday to look, I cannot BELIEVE someone thinks they can get away with this! I am just glad I am a talentless sap.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Francis Chung
This sentence no verb.
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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12-29-2004 13:32
From: Imagoel Best

I mean I order a script from someone and how would I know that he/she didnt make it?


The fact that it had my creator tag should be your first clue....

The fact that I IMed you last month about it should be your second...

But you're probably right. It's hard to connect these otherwise "random series of events" into a coherent story.
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MrsJakal Suavage
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12-29-2004 13:35
From: Lo Jacobs
Who the fuck are these people? Fuck off. Damn alts.


I nicknamed them the "muffin mafia" :p

Is it just me or are her apologies just a different form of excuse?

I'm sorry I sold your hot tub but I was new when you caught me (but it was still for sale there yesterday)

I'm sorry I stole and sold your hair, but i honestly thought it was the one I recreated exactly to where I didn't know it was the difference..and because you had the nerve to get pissed when you caught me, I won't take it down...oh wait, I will take it down now cause everyone is really mad now.

I'm sorry I stoled and sold your hug anim...I'm a mentor and didn't realize that you can see who the creator is on the script. I just took my friends (who i can't remember the name but we will stick with friend for now) word for it. However, I have took it off sale and recreated an exact duplicate with my name this time or my hubby's whichever you prefer.


/end saracasm
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Francis Chung
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12-29-2004 13:37
From: Muffin Boffin
wow 124 posts and answers ...
well some people dont regonize it when someone say "I am sorry ... I was bad/ a jerk"
move on guys ... why keep talking about this?
she said I am sorry ... then give her a break!


Let's suppose I stab you in the face.

You complain, and everyone hates me. So I say sorry.

Then I continue to stab you in the face.

Why are you still complaining? I said sorry! :p
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Neil Protagonist
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12-29-2004 13:37
*SCREAM*

Ok, is this thread surreal enough for everyone yet?

Lots of lame excuses for some VERY bad behavior.

If you didnt make it, dont sell it. If you didnt make it and decide to sell it, EAT YOUR PIE.
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Torley Linden
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12-29-2004 13:39
From: Neil Protagonist
*SCREAM*

Ok, is this thread surreal enough for everyone yet?

Lots of lame excuses for some VERY bad behavior.

If you didnt make it, dont sell it. If you didnt make it and decide to sell it, EAT YOUR PIE.


I have to add, the sound of Neil screaming only added to the surreality of it for me. ;)
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12-29-2004 13:46
From: Neil Protagonist
*SCREAM*

Ok, is this thread surreal enough for everyone yet?

Lots of lame excuses for some VERY bad behavior.

If you didnt make it, dont sell it. If you didnt make it and decide to sell it, EAT YOUR PIE.


*adds another reason to the 'why neil is cool' list*
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Surreal Farber
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12-29-2004 13:49
From: Neil Protagonist
Ok, is this thread surreal enough for everyone yet?


Well I did post, so I suppose it is now Surreal enough. :D

Surreal
Mistress Midnight
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Join date: 13 May 2003
Posts: 346
12-29-2004 13:49
OK :)
I just spoke to this 'person' in IM-- ended in a muting
but no an apology won't fix this, and no, I won't accept one.
I don't believe it was a mistake. I don't believe she is innocent.


PIE!
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Aimee Weber
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12-29-2004 13:50
I am not so much interested in Imagoel's head on a platter as I am a positive outcome to this whole thing. However having Imagoel take the stolen items down and apologize is not enough because it sends a signal to others that they can still make a month's worth of income by stealing before they get caught, and the only consequence is having to apologize.

Instead, whatever happens to Imagoel should send a signal to everybody that stealing is going to be far more costly than just creating your own content in the game.

I would also like to see the process of catching/punishing these people streamlined so we don't need to form a village mob every time someone does it. This whole issue shouldn't have gone this far! Francis and Mistress should have been able to let a Linden know, and the process of removing stolen items and punishing the sellers should have been swift and routine.

One more thing Imagoel...this is not a battle between you and Mistress. This is a battle between content creators and content thieves. We all know what team we are on. I took my battle scars from you in the form of neg ratings, and I am going to wear them proudly because I know I was right.

-aimee
MrsJakal Suavage
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12-29-2004 13:51
From: Mistress Midnight

PIE!



Mmmmmm Apple pie sounds good! :p
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Surreal Farber
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12-29-2004 13:52
Oh.. for the clueless...

Want forgiveness?

1 - admit you were a fucktard.. make no excuses (or reasons)

2 - make restitution

3 - never do it again (or anything similar) (even as an alt)

4 - don't bitch and whine that ppl think you're a fucktard and don't trust you

5 - don't be surprised if your reputation is in the toliet for a long time


Surreal
Nephilaine Protagonist
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12-29-2004 13:55
From: someone
I would also like to see the process of catching/punishing these people streamlined so we don't need to form a village mob every time someone does it. This whole issue shouldn't have gone this far! Francis and Mistress should have been able to let a Linden know, and the process of removing stolen items and punishing the sellers should have been swift and routine.
...this is not a battle between you and Mistress. This is a battle between content creators and content thieves.


And THERE is the heart of the matter.

Now, if you'll excuse me, until that happens I have a few pitchforks to sharpen. ;)
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