A few words about the Metaverse Justice Watch

Pecuniary gain? ...No pecuniary gain here Cris. I used the words pro bono and perhaps its clearer for me to state... I dont plan to charge any amount. You are assuming and not asking.

My signature is comparable to a professional announcement, not an advertisement.

So Cris, whats your beef with me? You have been pretty damn hostile of late. I would think that you of all people would share my disdain for intolerance, but for some reason my comments made today about racism angers you enough to spur hostility. What is your anger all about really?

Why dont you explain what the problem is. Why would you, Weedy. or Cienna go to such lengths to try to create trouble over two members with advocacy skills trying to help other members who face disciplinary problems or want assistance with mediating a dispute? To go to the trouble to research the advertising rules for the CA Rules of Professional Conduct required some time and effort on your part. Why is it that it seems you are motivated by a desire to cause us trouble rather than protect interests of any SL member?

Thats right. In the original announcement where we offered our services I stated:

No one will be forced to participate in any process, whether it is mediation of a dispute, or entering a contractual agreement, unless they voluntarily wish to participate.

And, as in any venue, when mediation/negotiation fails resort can be to the courts. Its unlikely, however, that any matter here that would involve Jake and me would lead to litigation.

As an aside I would like to point out that there may be consumer protection laws and certain commercial code sections concerning service providers that may provide remedies despite any boilerplate contained in the TOS. Just because something is written in a contract does not make it binding or the final say. The TOS may be the Linden bible but its not necessarily all that there is to consider.

May I suggest some advertising and marketing services for this venture? (discretely pointing to her sig)

And many lawfirms throughout the country specifically advise their new associates NOT to participate in forums, chat rooms, email, etc., stating that they are an attorney and are offering legal advice.

This has me puzzled that your firm(s) would permit such a thing to occur, especially since cyberlaw and internet law are so specific. Do your firms know that you are "practicing" and/or attempting to offer valid legal advice to SL end-users and are charging fees/retainers?

Of all people Lynn you should know best not to assume (ASS U ME.) Perhaps you should read up before passing judgment? AHHH when has failure to read stopped a hostile post?

1) I am my own law firm

2) I already said this is pro bono, several times, and I am certain you know what that means.

3) You are assuming our function and interaction, as well as what we are doing and frankly, I suspect you swallowed the one of the jump to conclusions nasty pills that cris seems to be dishing out recently.

I suggest you read the posts and you would have all the answers you seek. Jake and I elaborated about what we were doing, how , why it was not a problem so its all there.

HUH? WHAT? You are calling me a shrieking bitch? With great reluctance i am reporting this post. I dont know what you mean about a loss, I am fine. Lets see, what have you called me...evil back biting bitch...fucking high horse...shrieking bitch...all that becasue i hate bigotry? Hmm and you call me evil after saying all that to me when I have only been kind to you? How disappointing to see true colors from a military man.

Pathetic, very pathetic, you have some audacity thinking you speak for the little person?

Are you on drugs "weedy?" What are you talking about speaking for the little man? Do you think people who consult lawyers for legal problems are little men? Why dont you get over it.

Hows this all about a few words about the MJW again?

I can say a few words about it though:

Rats

Ship

Sinking



Just a tease for now

Just saw your sig. For an attorney, you aren't very respectable. I don't know if you strive for greater decorum when you practice in the first world, but I certainly wouldn't hire you to mediate any of my concerns in this world.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have very little respect for lawyers and politicians. The world is a simple place, which the politicians and lawyers carve into a jagged, discontinuous, illogical hellhole in which they're at the top. Litigation in this country is not a process by which the innocent are championed or the aggrieved vindicated. It's a process in which lawyers earn their fee, overly-litigious clients rake in the dough, and the rest of us pay the price for your greed. Not to mention the particularly pretentious lawyers who use the "law" as a tool for coercion. You can thus see why some of us may be irritated by the sudden intrusion of the most vile occupation into SL. Especially when the attorneys in question don't provide their bona fides.

Appropos of nothing, or perhaps merely trying to grow a flower in a sea of mud - I wanted to say that I'm in like with Aimee Weber and Dianne Mechanique. And charmed, besides.

Just returning the favor.

B-B-B-BORING!

I can't believe I read pages 12 to 16... This thread went totally South the moment someone mentioned the word "racist".



Oh noes ! I said it too !

Admit it! You're racist against penguins!

Is this the sig that is not respectable:

Reitveld & Moonflower, Attorneys at Law
Now offering consultation regarding TOS/CS disciplinary action and other SL-related matters.

Well you have me stumped. I guess the disrespectful part becomes apparent in your next statement:

Oh...that explains it. Well, you had better hope you dont ever need the services of an attorney or you will find youself in a bind.

Edited to add: Its it the red? Would you prefer black letters? Ok lets try black to match your black heart

NUKE THE MOTHERF*CKING GAY WHALES!

(theres a lot to complain about in that statement)

I know you're an attorney, which means that you can't literally interpret anything. I think it's in your contract with Satan. You've always got to go with the most obtuse interpretation as possible, so long as it fits your argument. I forgive you. If you weren't a lawyer, you might be something worse. I don't know how much worse it could get, but I'm sure there are ways.

If we could go back to the beginning of my comment and reread what I said, you might actually discover the meaning of my words. I'll try and go slow here. I said that I just saw your signature. I didn't say that the signature was disgraceful. I mentioned this because, through all of your various posts, I was not aware that you were presenting yourself as an attorney. This line does not say anything about your signature, other than that it was observed by myself for the first time just moments before posting. I then went on to suggest that I felt your behavior in these forums was considerably more inappropriate than that of your typical lawyer in the courtroom, and offered my sincere hope that you were better behaved when standing before a judge. The post then concluded, without any further comment about the signature which you cited. Though you obviously (and incorrectly) inferred that I was directly attacking your signature, that is simply untrue and not born out by my post. I could care less about your signature. It merely made it clear to me that you were an attorney. Your own posts were what I found to be disgraceful.

Awww. How sweet. Nope. Like I just got done saying, the signature wasn't the problem.

(My apologies to those of you who saw my original comment. I crossed the line with that one.)

Free legal services, or the pro bono work that I would imagine your firm gets some type of credit for, still has restrictions on advertising. I'm not really worried - if you run afoul of advertising rules, that's your own problem. I haven't even put much effort into it - the question of your qualifications and ability to present yourselves as lawyers here came up, and I added my input. What I have a difficult time figuring out is what type of attorney you actually are. When you were taking on Anshe, it was all about tax law. Then you were a prosecutor with a shocking amount of knowledge about IP law, now your life's work has been pro bono civil rights litigation? I am a devil is in the details kind of guy, and I must say, the details don't add up.

I have nothing personally against you, Katy. I have been shocked by your behavior in the forums of late more than anything. Why am I not surprised you would play the "you're either with me, or you support terrorism" card again, now with the race card. As someone who has actually experienced racism, not speaking about it theoretically, I am particularly sensitive to false claims of it. That is what atttracted my hostility here. You just came into the thread waving around the word racism.

Anyone well versed in ACTUAL racism, and working to stop it, certainly knows that it is not as clear cut as you are making it out to be. For example, again, your ridiculous analogy about Aunt Jemima was more offensive than the Godzilla picture you were complaining about. So was the simplistic logic that because Aimee and Forseti disagreed with your reaction, they were supporting racism (what a childish conclusion). Acknowledging that Anshe has played the a role quite effectively in these forums also is not racism, and to imply or direct state that it is racism is utter bullshit. When someone makes their ethnicity central to their persona, then plays a role that panders to the lowest of ethic and gender stereotypes, commenting on that is fair game. Not everything that includes mention of someone's race/ethinicity is racist, by a huge margin.

I am also particularly turned off by your constant waving of your law credentials in these forums. Attorneys are expected to behave with a certain amount of decorum, especially those that have turned these forums into a place to farm for clients. I put very little credence in what people claim in these forums anyway, especially when their words don't match their claims. While I have no doubt you are an attorney given your capacity for dodging and obsfucation, I often fail to see the relevance when it does not seem to add any more credibility to your points - in fact, it often detracts from it.

I am not motivated by the desire to cause trouble for you, as I don't even really know you and have nothing against you. More rhetoric. I am motivated by the desire to push back against anyone who continues to think they speak for all of us. Your participation in such a dubious group says a lot to me, honestly. If you are genuinely interested in bringing about change, justice, etc, then you would distance yourself from that sham of a group, which is nothing more than a vehicle for Prokofy's grudges and Anshe's self preservation.

As a matter of fact both Anshe and I did leave the group tonight leaving Aimee as an officer with Prokofy. I am sure Siggy will be posting the chat on your web site for all to see, it was quite nuts.

I am glad, that is certainly a step in the right direction.

Nope - I'm not a member of your group Or your ex group as the case may be...
I was asked to join several times but declines.. which leaves you to ask.. how the hell did I get that transcript in the first place?

Besides it's not for me to steal the thunder.. I'll let someone else get the laugh outta posting what transpired tonight...

Is no matter now though - I think everyones agendas have been exposed - and a lot of people know what is REALLY thought about them. I figure for now thats a big enough hole for the *new and improved justice league* to dig themselves out of

Now *THAT* folks, is what I call transparency

My work here is done... I can ride off into the sunset like Randolph Scott.

Siggy.

RANDOLPH!

Thank you, Siggy

Damn. I was really looking forward to a larf. I hope one of the other deep-cover, freedom-hating moles will post the log (at SLU if necessary) for us all to savor.

No worries, the transcript of the 5+ hours of infighting is floating around somewhere, it just takes a bit of editing