A few words about the Metaverse Justice Watch

You came in here wielding a REAL LIFE LEGAL CLUB and I called you on it. Nothing more nothing less. Now to save face you turn this on me, well it won't work. Dig deeper, I'm ready.

Fine, I'm despicable. A pariah to the community. After re-reading my words I admit they are childish and over the top. Apologies to the community and sincere apologies to you Katy. My true colors Katy? I don't think you'll ever understand my true colors. I'm sorry.

Lecktor kicked my dog, and made baby jesus cry!

I'm telling mom!

I'm not off SL or off my idealism. It's just more drama that I probably should have avoided and didn't because I continue to believe the best about pple until they prove me wrong. And you're right, you can't TELL someone the character of someone else. They/We have to learn it first hand rather than fall into allowing other people's judgements to sway our own opinions. Thanks tho, for being decent towards me in the forums. Not sure I could have stood the vitriol people like Katykiwi and Cocoanut Koala had to endure, and continued to endure while they defended the agenda of the group, which I believe is still viable if taken at face value. Apologies out to those who believed the worthiness of the group and its leadership. It should have been about the agenda and turnd out it never was.

I'm not off SL or off my idealism. It's just more drama that I probably should have avoided and didn't because I continue to believe the best about pple until they prove me wrong. And you're right, you can't TELL someone the character of someone else. They/We have to learn it first hand rather than fall into allowing other people's judgements to sway our own opinions. Thanks tho, for being decent towards me in the forums. Not sure I could have stood the vitriol people like Katykiwi and Cocoanut Koala had to endure, and continued to endure while they defended the agenda of the group, which I believe is still viable if taken at face value. Apologies out to those who believed the worthiness of the group and its leadership. It should have been about the agenda and turns out it never was.

Okay, let's see here. First someone makes a few racial comments/slurs/pictures and Katy stands against it as racism is closed minded and completely disgusting IMO. Now she is being torn apart by the usual forum mob who enjoy ganging up on people for having their own and usually different opinions and feelings. Have you torn her apart enough yet? Are you guys done now? Everytime someone has a different opinion or idea that isn't in line with the usual forumers--they all gang up on that person and break them down to the point where--I just don't know. If I was Katy--or Anshe--or Prokofy--or Coco--I would either have forced myself to stop reading these forums, because obviously, my opinion and/or concerns with the SL community just doesn't matter because I am not in line with the forum regulars.... or I would be so broken down I would be stooping to their level..saying anything in my power to bring these people down, to make them feel as they have made me feel. Do you guys even realize how cruel you are? Put yourself in the shoes of one of your victims. How would you feel if you were treated like this? IMO Katy--or anyone--has done nothing to deserve this sort of treatment. We all play this game--or virtual world as it should be called-- for our own reasons, but most of us here in the forums are usually the ones who care about the SL community and the future of SL. Why tear eachother down when you can all pool your ideas together and come up with something that can work for everyone, differences aside? I imagine that most people who play SL are above average intelligence, right? If people of this intelligence can't work together and rise above mobs and harsh words, then what does this mean? That's kind of a scary thought.

Just in case I'm lumped in the "people I've never talked to" category, I'll sum up my point:

The wonderful thing about SL is that you can pretend to be anything you want to be. A titanic crane, a man when irl you're a woman, on and on and on and on. I love SL. I also have a lot of respect for the legal profession, many of my close friends are lawyers. It isn't personal, obviously, I don't know either of you. What I do know from my own profession is that the issue of internet practice is very sticky ethically and that there are strict sanctions for behaviors. Most of my colleagues won't touch it with a ten foot pole for very good ethical reasons and due to the HIGH liability of practice on the internet. I also think in terms of your conduct here in, for example, turning my questions back with pointing the finger at me rather than answering them, you unfortunately contribute to a stereotype about lawyers if in fact you are one. I consider many of your comments here quite childish and accusatory, although you may be a cool person I sure wouldn't want this behavior in an actual lawyer who I planned to have represent me in any matter. I do think that there are significant concerns here regarding internet practice. I would want a lawyer who had thoroughly researched this *before* offering services, not after. This is the sort of thoughtful, measured behavior one expects in a legal professional. You know, to look at the legalities before racing in.

Other than that, I will return to my main point which is that I don't believe what others seem to, that you guys are lawyers just because you can dodge. That's also a stereotype. You may be dodging just because you're not really a lawyer. My objections to these posts ironically are for the very reason you guys claim to be posting: people's rights. I object to people who may be vulnerable people IRL believing your claims, when I see nothing to support you being who you say you are. Are you required to provide proof to us? Nah, course not. Just don't expect me to believe you for two seconds without it.

As to your point regarding mediation services, yes, those are needed here. But you see, you could easily offer that having advertised it in a different way. The practice of mediation is different from the practice of law in a number of respects. When you call yourselves RL attorneys and play that card, you are advertising yourselves as a virtual legal service. It concerns me that you waited for a forum thread to call the ethics hotline on this one. Most would do so before beginning practice to make sure they were on firm ground. Also, having watched how you handled this dispute thread I'm not certain I believe you could mediate on my behalf in any sort of well thought out manner. I don't see mediation skills displaying themselves at all. I know many people in world with likely NO legal training at all who I think could mediate in a more rational manner. This thread would have been a great way to display your skills in managing conflict- I don't see it personally.

Best wishes to you both, I'm sticking with all of this is dubious at best, and for entirely non jealousy oriented, non personal reasons.

Getting back to the original post --

Either "Hooked on Phonics" finally arrived or Anshe is paying someone to write her posts. I wonder how much this one cost.

This patronizing attitude of attempting to link her elitist power grab with groups like Amnesty International is comical at best. One thing she fails to grasp is that usually when you throw out words like 'justice' it is followed with words like 'all.' That may be her syntax but then to tell the so-called casual players that she gives them permission to form their own little treehouse clubs, is disingenuous.

Like Eva Peron, Anshe has risen from the seedy side of SL to a position of power, both feared and respected. Unfortunately, like Evita, she is now desperately grasping for control. (OK, before you call me a misogynist replace 'Peron' with 'Stalin') I can think of 50 people that should lead this charge before Anshe. Unfortunately, Anshe has shown her true colors too many time to too many people to be taken seriously. This is nothing more than a grab for control by a woman who senses the SL move to true socialism with her being a mere spectator -- on an even level just like the rest of us.

Justice also means being equitable. I doubt if I am alone in taking a dim view of someone who has a recorded history of making insensitive comments (I'm being polite) about others.

When I read posts from Anshe's ghost writers I am reminded why I welcome Phillip continuing his role as dictator.

Amen.

I am for capping the amount of mainland land a person can own at one sim and no more, but they can own as many islands as they wish.

I call it the will of the people, Dianne... Not "a pack of wild dogs"

Thanks for the link Cris!

Truly worth the read.

Clash of the Titans redux, only the Titans are the egos of Prokofy and Anshe!

This group was bound to self destruct with those two self-interested people vying for control.

Thank you , alt of somebody

Its still here? Jeska must be sleeping.

Oh, hi fellow wallower. What were you saying?



Help me understand your semantic set.... when you speak poorly to and disparage others, it is justified, but when anyone calls you on it, it is 'insult'. Did I get that right?

I have precisely two issues with you, both of which insure I will never take you seriously and ever perceive you as either unethical or deliberately dishonest. I have clearly stated what those two issues are, so if you are unaware of them, it is your own choice to be so.

If you dislike that there are other people in the world, and that, despite your obvious desire to the contrary, they are both allowed to hold opinions and state them freely, I suggest you hand in your forum participation card.



I am perfectly content with myself on the matter of expressing my opinion freely. Perhaps you should be more tolerant of others, and stop trying to judge them based upon your own preferences. You know -- be less discriminating. Oooh... that is a nice pun, isn't it?





Hmm. Two phrases come to mind.... 'pot, kettle, black' and 'Physician, heal thyself.'

Until you can curb your own tendency to be judgmental and insulting to others, I doubt that you're going to be taken seriously by much of anyone.

well i've rather lost track of this thread, but did backtrack to read a few things. I happen to agree that personally attacking you was rude and uncalled for, and glad to see lecktor apologize.



One thing i didn't see was any sort of apology or explanation from you, katy, for making such a rude, "hang em high" statement simply because we disagreed with your blanket statements. Guilty before proven innocent! We certainly didn't disagree with your goal of fighting racism, as we stated ad infinitum. I tried to engage you in a reasonably civilized fashion and you steadfastly refused to respond.

Jake came out and said that he didn't think you were calling everyone who happened to object to the MJW a racist, but I saw no such clarification or explanation from you.

Welcome to the forums, katykiwi. This is how it works.

This is exactly how it's been for me. From people I've been only kind to, as well. In addition to people I've never met.

Did you notice where Anshe was referred to in a post as a "contemptible douchebag"? (The single worst thing I ever read on any forum or any place anywhere, by the way.)

And this is a place where decent people feel welcome? Where civilized people come to converse and debate?

It hasn't been that since the day I got here.

coco

It is only a matter of time until someone here gets sick and tired of character assasination and takes it to court, albeit it is a virtual character (but which can make real life money from business in the game) - and WINS.

Now if I were you, I'd hesitate before recklessly and joyously libeling someone who actually is a lawyer.

By the way, I've had my life SAVED by wonderful lawyers just as surely as I've had my physical life saved by wonderful doctors several times in my life.

People who have "little respect for lawyers" put on amazing airs.

coco

Whatever you do, don't treat people as individuals. If one person goes over the line, then they're all bad eh? The whole baby with the bathwater treatment.

While I agree that what was said to Katy was over the line, please realize that other folks are in no way responsible. Heck, you refuse to be colored by MJW group association, so why is it ok for you to color us as one entity when we aren't even part of the same group?

actually those " marks mean its a quote.. ie. verbatim , so you better go back and check what your typing there..

I thought they taught that at professional writing 101......

I don't think it was 'contemptable'



I did call the entire group officers the 'douchebags of liberty' though.

now if thats the worst thing you've ever heard anywhere, you should check out Prok's blog.. cos what I say there will curl your toes!


I'll help you with the third nail if you like.. I hear its a real bitch to get in by yourself.

Still on page 22. You guys are treading on incredibly thin ice now and don't even know it.

I'm not going to feel sorry for you when you fall through.

coco

I am not intimidated Coco. I have not said "boo" to you. For someone who claims to espouse such a high regard for freedom of expression, you sure like to try and control people's freedom through empty threats.

Actually Cocoanut, I've seen some good debate take place here. And a fair amount of muckracking and mudslinging. You take the good with the bad or pretty much just need to pack it up and move on out, because that's how it is.

Thanks for the link, Cris. Yow

The mob mentality just keeps recycling and recycling itself. Different names, different groups who supposedly have the ear of the Lindens. Isn't it interesting in a world where we can have so much individuality that people are so focused on this? It seems every few months the tide turns and off we go again.

I have never met over half the people on this thread. So why are we lumped into some sort of mystery collective? Do we really want to believe nobody's capable of thinking on their own, and just happening to agree? Seems to me sometimes that paranoia just absolutely runs rampant. I suppose what may occur is that isolated events give validity to the idea that there are groups trying to seize power, and then that notion just spreads to everyone else who happens to be of like minds having conversations.

One of the funnier forum things that's happened to me is the time I was accused of being a tool of Enabran's. I forget by whom. I had never actually met Enabran- we'd happened to post like opinions on one thread- but thought "hey, if they think I'm his tool who knows, maybe we'd get along". So I messaged him in world and went to meet him. You know, damn decent guy. Very funny. Never met him before so who knew.

That is correct, Cristiano.

The key words - NO ONE. That includes me, that includes Catherine Cotton, and that includes anybody and everybody who is treated this way, then accused of "crying victim."

Who is smeared all across these forums and derided, treated like insects, and their games and businesses ruined, merely for giving their sincere opinion, or for speaking out against lynch mob behavior and libel and other maltreatment of individuals, such as racist comments.

Some people on these forums apparently don't realize there are some people who CAN'T be intimidated or blackmailed on these matters, because these ideas of fairness and equal treatment of all and equal opportunity to all - opportunity to speak on these forums without slander, assaults on dignity, bullying and other persecution, for one thing - are far more important than SL or practically any other consideration. And always MUST be.

There are more people like this than you realize. And more are coming to SL - and to these forums - as SL grows.

The times, they are a-changin'.

coco

I had a severe lapse in good judgement. I wrote something terrible. I apologized. I'm so glad you're here to pass judgement CoCo. I feel so much better. Thank you for all you do.

Well leck.. if I read this right then you have been smeared and derided...

BUT you still have to be treated like an insect and have your games and business ruined before she's done...

After that me and nolan will meet up with you for your exit poll, insert a large radish in your bottom and your done!

... sorry dude, I don't make the rules up.

Siggy.