A few words about the Metaverse Justice Watch

Now is a *blink* both the closing and opening of the eye, or just the closing?

If just the closing, then i say

*unblinkn*

If both, the is say,

*blink again*

Yeah, we don't agree. I don't think someone losing their temper and calling names, even complete gross out names, is the equivalent to running people out on a rail. The way I read it the person who posted has already apologized for it, and in real life people lose their tempers and everyone moves on. I think people being run out, or singled out and persecuted is a rare thing. And considering that few people even know who I am IRL, the day that I start feeling personally persecuted by residents in SL is the day I need to take a break for my RL But that's just my opinion. Many residents don't even bother reading the forums so I don't think that forum debate necessarily ruins businesses even if it centers around certain individuals. Actually sometimes I think it works in reverse, the more controversy around it the higher the profile of the business gets.

And yes, you can help how you present things. I have a choice for example between saying I disagree politely and doing it other ways. I think that makes a hell of a lot of difference in whether you can hear what I have to say and I can decide which way to use.

yes, waayyy too many pages lol i agree



this was one of the more offensive elements. i.e. putting false words in our mouth and using assumptions and accusations of racism to belittle and defuse a post objecting to her allusion to the KKK.




this is turning back into a debate on the nature of the forums themselves. I see people sometimes agreeing and disagreeing -- does the fact that they happen to be on the same side of an argument at a particular time make them part of mob mentality? ... not that i don't think there are forum overreactions... those happen constantly... this whole response to the MJW is a rather silly overreaction.

you are offended by accusations of a persecution complex. The appearance is that you were badly hurt and offended by several people when you first came to the forums (and having seen some of what went on, I can understand your reaction) but that you've never really been able to move on from that experience.

Wanting to prevent such an occurance from happening to someone else is a noble goal, I'll give you that.

is it possible to control the forums? i don't know. Humans are messy and emotional, and so the forums are. I say, treat posters as individuals, including the jerks. Ignore the jerks as best you can, and when they get really bad ... distorting the whole fabric of the forums themselves, then ban 'em.

good post fiona

No apology here, either. Just a dismissal.

actually, cocoa didn't have anything to apologize for... katy did, although she might argue with that.

nor do i think she was being dismissive... this thread is bloody HUGE

Hi, I'm just mere consumer, so I'm not important.

But I want to comment on this pack thing.

It has to stop. It's demeaning and insulting and irrelevant.

If there really was a pack mentality, it would be the people like MJW.

Most of the people responding in this thread are individuals. The ones accused of this "mob" things are just people who are responding to things that bother us.

Coco, I've have tried hard to understand you, because I felt it was the right thing to do. But when you start this "mob" accusations, I find it ironic. To my knowledge, and judging from the speed in which people are responding, it does not appear to be an collective efforts. No one contacted me in world or PM to write.

Oh the other hand MJW seems to have done just that. In addition Coco, when you wanted to organize TACT, you contacted me in world and set up an agenda that seemed specifically aimed at making excuses for when you or other members failed to follow the TACT guidelines.

Those are the actions of mob mentality, not the actions shown here by those you accuse of mob mentality.

So I am asking all of you using the "mob" "pack" or any type of labeling aimed at detracting from what is actually valid concerns to please stop.

I am not a "mere" consumer, nor am I part of a "mob". I am an individual stating my opinions and I deserve to be treated as such.


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As I said myself, above, Fiona. I am talking about the tag-teaming, and the cumulative effect of many, many horrid things said to people. Not that one person - who has apologized.

There is some kind of logical error, I'm not sure what it's called, in taking the force of a trend and then saying the trend itself doesn't exist because it is made up of individuals. I see the trend, and others do as well. In this case the trend is bullying and belittlement and libel of individuals and the ruination of their game.

coco

She was saying her feelings were hurt by Katikiwi, Ardith, not me.

coco

...and the trend is They.

Damn. I owe you an apology for demanding an apology then. I'm sorry for going off half-cocked.

Please don't do anything that might necessitate an apology about the apology for demanding an apology, though. Things could get messy.

April, I'm not going to stop saying people are tag-teaming with each other, and running others off, and acting like a lynch mob, until I see that that has stopped happening.

And I don't perceive you as a part of that behavior, by the way.

coco

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They came here to speak for the rest of us while defending their own nefarious agenda, and chew bubblegum....and they're all out of bubblegum.

In that case, I shall play the lovely lovely ludwig, and if Cory will be so kind as to fetch the 'vitamin shots'

Trust us.. it's for your own good....

Best ten minutes I ever spent in After Effects.

As soon as I saw the pack mentality in the forums I just took a step back and walked away, the abuse/discussion/flame-war/professional tag team trolling wasn't worth my time to engage, and the two principles weren't worth my effort to defend.

I'm in California, there are too many gangs who exist for no other reason then to impress other members of their clique by one upping themselves in outrageous behavior in some form of desperate plea for attention/acceptance for me to involve myself in this turf. This group masturbation isn't appealing to me in RL or SL forums.

Only reason I came back was to see the reaction to Anshe's bus tours and super secret ninja group and the Prok/Aimee alliance

I really truly wanted Anshe/Prok/Amiee on the same team. I was pushing hard for that.

But the sane ones all started leaving having sat through most of that nonsense (i came in about half way through and had no idea what I missed about bus tours and all that) and saw Prok and Amiee this close to being on the same team, so i optimistically started rebuilding not realizing the levee actually broke and I hadn't seen anything yet.

But the super secret group finally broke the camels back.

And as Sansarya said, the motives of most were based on the notecard.

It's too bad a lot of you were right on certain aspects, but I find it ironic that anyone who stood up and said "Read the notecard, if you agree join, if not, don't" was mercilessly savaged by people who spoke for everyone saying they were against people speaking for everyone (when MOST of us just backed a notcard, NOT regulating other users).

Ain't no big thing, really, so I'll again head off the forums and leave them like they should be left, unread.

Special Thanks to my darling Sansarya, Coco, Kat, Shaun, Hiro, Jeffery, Aimee and anyone else whose agenda wasn't dominated by telehubs, ninja groups, bus tours, soapboxes, conspiracies, trolling, flaming, fart smelling, shit stirring, sabotage, gloating, circle jerking, backstabbing and power grabs and that I may have forgot who shared this rather incredible journey from anytime from near inception on to its blazing finale.

It was reassuring to see some act rational, reasonable, logical, and open on the forums who I will probably never know because I won't retread these topics. But if you were objective and not an asshole, I probably mean you. I'm not done reading this thread, so I may chime in once more.

And my notecard was full perms, so if any SANE people who agreed with the notecard want to pursue the goals, I may still be interested.

I actually like superhero outfits and the Metaverse Justice League Name.

I don't let people who like to break things ruin what actually in some ways succeeded despite its utter and abysmal failure (Philip asking people in world for perspective on changes and such and accommodating a fair request due to residents unique perspective is a victory in its own right).

I think the final nail in this coffin were 2 parties taking themselves WAY to serious for their own good, well intentioned or not. It became a peace through war scenerio no matter what else by that point.

Please be so kind as to make informed responses, Cocoanut. When both Aimee and Forseti disagreed with Katy on some points, her response was that they both support racism.. I know you will find some way to tapdance around that, but it was just completely out of line. Talk about labelling someone for their opinions. As I have said, I am especially incensed by people who will never ever experience racism being the arbiters of what constitutes it in the first place.

Katy was just flat out wrong in what she said to Aimee and to Forseti. You talk about character assasination, what effect do you think it has when Katy says to someone "You don't agree with me, so YOU ARE A RACIST"? That is what she did, and there is no justification for it, though I am sure you will pull one out of somewhere.

Thats funny - coz after reading the transcript on the whole meeting.. I think it was infighting between 2 officers that tore the group up.. everyone else sorta sat and watched...

But hey - don't take my word for it, I sure wouldn't... judge for yourself and draw your own conclusions on what transpired.

Funny thing is, Cocoanut, every time you tell your painful little story about how I didn't want to chat with you in-world, you neglect to mention our previous in-world meeting, weeks before, wherein you asserted that we were probably misunderstanding eachother, and that we should try and look at our interactions from a fresh perspective. I agreed to this cease-fire tentatively. Those who know me well know of the voice that follows all of my decisions, asking in grave tones if I am allowing sufficient room for humanity in the judgments I make upon conduct I don't appreciate. It's very hard for me to write someone off as a troublemaker with no internal reservation.

Then, a short time later, you attacked the faceless success of an in-world group who later turned out to be Bedazzle. Upon this revelation, you became significantly more diplomatic. That was enough to silence my voice of restraint. It was after all this vented vitriol that you sought another audience with Enabran Templar. (And this does not even begin to mention the bizarre, creepy coquettish tone you used to do so.)

As they say, "Fool me twice, shame on me." In any case, I usually have real work to do when I'm in-world.

Siggy what is that a transcript of, and please cite it's sources.

It was a transcript of a discussion by MJW, which occured last night in group IM. The source of the transcript wishes to remain anonymous.

It's a transcript of the meeting that happened last night that ended in what amounts to the splintering of that group..

It's source is the guy that posted it (who is not me - I am not a member of the group, and thus did not attend.. i was at work for most of it) - although I have checked it against 2 other lesser complete versions (passed to me by people who I will NOT name) and they stack up against each other identically.. I also verified it with people who WERE there at the meeting and told me it is a true and accurate transcript of what transpired.

You can beleive it or not - or follow up your own investigation of it if you wish.. personally if you were going to go that route, I'd suggest asking some of the people who were there to read it and give you thier impression..

.. so far though I don't see anyone naysaying it's validity, which would be the first thing I'd expect.

Siggy.

From my limited time there and reports of what I missed, looks accurate

Don't let THEM™ immanentize the Eschaton !