A few words about the Metaverse Justice Watch

Yeah, and I am jealous of Donald Duck too.

Kindly refer to the American Bar Association's Model Rules of Profession Conduct, Rule 5.5, section (a), which reads in relevant part:



[Ref: http://www.abanet.org/cpr/mrpc/rule_5_5.html]

Kindly provide proof of your admittance to practice law in the jurisdiction of The Internet, and if you would, please support that admittance with proofs of acceptance.

Thanks.

edit: There is a certain degree of responsibility in announcing one is seeking to represent others, particularly in specific places/means/matters. Your signature currently states:



While I know Jake is a member of the bar in California, and while the EULA is bound to California, it remains that many who connect to Second Life are not in California and the EULA applies not to you or Jake and your potential representation of others, but to the contract between Linden Labs and each resident/customer/player.

You are skating on very thin ice. I cannot believe an attorney in good standing would willingly take such a risk.

This is why I love Jake and want to have his babies.

coco

Yeah, but apparently, hypocrisy never, ever gets old.

I saw them and was appalled, but I didn't report them. (I'm still awful loathe to report people.)

It is completely, utterly, and totally disgusting.

Feeding frenzy, yes.

But as LL grows - IF it grows - this kind of thing is going to get watered down and join its rightful place in the society's backwaters, instead of upfront on these forums like some unholy lynch mob, tearing apart whoever it considers weakest, or strongest, and thinking itself clever while doing it.

coco

* yawn *

How about the ACLU? Isn't that supposed to exist to ensure that all get fair treatment under the law?

coco

Of course you are. If you stated otherwise, you wouldn't have that threat to wave around.

You are sounding more like Prok all the time. Rubs off after years of polishing his boots I suppose. Maybe you will find the path to unfettered virtue afterall..

Thanks Cienna, you saved me some cut and pasting.

Now all you have to do is show a similarity between that group and yours...

... now THATS gonna take some stretch of the imagination!

Um I am admitted in califorina, and being admiited to the bar is a license to practice law. So it is not inappropriate to call myself a licensed attorney. It is entirely possible to be admitted to the bar and not licensed to practice, as it the case of an attorney on inactive status, which I am not.


As far as the applicability of our license and my ability to provide legal advice in SL, ever user, as part of the TOS has signed a choice of law clause that states, in part: The rights and obligations of the parties under this Agreement shall not be governed by the U.N. Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods; rather such rights and obligations shall be governed by and construed under the laws of the State of California , including its Uniform Commercial Code, without reference to conflict of laws principles.

Arguably all relationships conducted in SL are pursuant to the TOS/CS and thus califorian is an appropriate forum. In as much as we are agreeing to represent cleints in TOS/CS matters it is clear I can give legal advice. If two parties want help in meidaitng a dispute, then they would be bound by a choice of law clause as part of the mediation agreement.

It should be noted that even lawyers can talk about the law without it being legal advice. Legal advice is that which applies to a particular case or matter, and is expected to be relied upon by a client. In debating in these forums I have, and Katy has provided only personal opinion. Thus we are not in violation of any states licenseing requirements for attorneys.

I saw that picture. Though it is a stretch to imagine that it was some Godzilla reference that would not have been chosen had the player it attempted to ... shall we say, charitably ... lampoon ... not been Asian, I imagine it could be remotely possible it wasn't intended as racist, whether or not it would be perceived as such.

I saw the same posts Katykiwi did and was appalled. It's amazing the depths people will go to to make fun of, humiliate, and otherwise rob other human beings of their basic dignity on these forums, and I don't speak solely of the posters of the racist items, but of all those posters who will use any sort of lowest blow to demean those they consider their enemies. It demeans only themselves.

coco

Katykiwi, I'm on page six, and I don't know yet how this thread has turned out, but I imagine that by about page six you are screaming and tearing your hair out. maybe not, but that's what I feel like doing!

coco

Although she inexplicably wrote it that you are accepting legal representation (meaning people representing you), I can assume she meant providing legal representation. As such, that signature goes well beyond just giving legal opinion. It is a business ad. In fact, as such, don't legal ads by law have to carrry a disclaimer?

Yeah, I've heard that argument before somewhere.... Question is, are virtual lawyers in a virtual world handling virtual cases of virtual defamation and virtual discrimination to be regarded as virtual gamers, virtually serious about gaming, or merely virtually serious?



You're reading an awful lot of your own baggage into my simple "wow", buster.



Are you sure you're not forming a dispute resolution service? Mediation? OK, fair enough. But I'll quit before someone starts asking what's the law, son?

Your information is incomplete. What is the name of your associates? There is no shielding from this. The TOS does not shield you from anything, especially when you have the appearance of practicing. In fairness, you do not have to divulge here, I will accept a PM or a message in world, so I may check your credentials and ask for clarification from your bar. My personal info will be disclosed along with the particulars of my request with the California State Bar Association.

FYI... IN the USA you pass the bar exam in order to become licensed. An attorney licensed in any state of the US can be admitted to practice in any federal court in any state. While I am not stupid enough to give my personal information to one who seems to motivated by hostility and jealousy, I will tell you that I am licensed in 4 states in the US as well as the federal courts. I have no ethical concerns or problems and neither does Jake but thanks so much for trying to look out for us.

Actually, no. The ACLU, which I belong to, exists to insure that groups of Americans who have traditionally not received equal protection under the law get that protection. It also exists to insure that government or associated institutions do not usurp civil liberties at the expense of certain sectors of the American public. So technically the ACLU is (very broad) interest group.

But it's a good riposte, Coco. Hats off to you.

Keyword there being 'arguably'. I'd want to hear the opinion of the California Bar Association before I'd invest in such a thing, and I certainly hope you've gotten their opinion before undertaking this.



So long as you do not act in legal capacity on behalf of another, you are correct. However, that announcement for services is anything but kosher until and unless Linden Labs retains you to act in their behalf or in their customer's behalf.

Now if you're talking about a mediation service, as someone else mentioned, it's all good... but if you were talking about a mediation service, you wouldn't be advertising yourselves as attorneys.

I dunno, Jake... seems a tad shaky to me.

katywiki, I know you in world from the drums and visiting gypsy moon and the personal tour you gave me. I have to say, WTF has happened to you? People lose relationships all the time. Ever since your loss you have become this [attack deleted]. I don't understand and am very disappointed. The woman I met and toured gypsy moon that day is lost to me. You're a lawyer,,, ok woop deee fucking dooo. Glad you are, quite an envious earning i'm sure. WE are in Secondlife. Get off your fucking high horse, let loose of the saddle horn cause you ain't milking another red cent out of him I assure you, and rejoin Secondlife. There are really good things going on in here. You are missing them by being a [attack deleted]. REPORT THIS.

No ethical concerns or no ethics? Seems rather the latter to me.

Wrong answer. I want the name of the four bars you belong to. Now you are intentionally creating obstacles, that in itself a violation of your oath. Now I have two complaints against you.

You are just wrong, and I am not understanding your emotional investment in this hostility. Did you apply to law school and not get admitted?

When all else fails, ad-hominem. What a display of ethics!

Knock yourself out. Jake and I are under no obligation, legal, moral or ethical to disclose personal information to a hostile stranger on the internet. What is your problem anyway. You arent a client, we are not your advocates, and I would decline representation of you in any matter, and you are entitled to nothing.