A Union Of SecondLife Members To Lobby The Lindens?

Lol... absolutely obsurd. The very reason for the economic problems in America today and there are still schmucks out there trying to form unions.... I can't believe that some one would spend the time trying to organize an unorganized union for the purpose of being heard.... I must say, you're being heard alright. The laughing stock of Linden Lab I'm sure.

Get a life. Unions.... the very thing that's crippling America today and sending jobs away and we still have people believing in and trying to form unions. You're wasting your time and energy on this. Second life is a buiness for profit and you'll come back whether you like it or not. Union or no union, it's obvious this is an important part of your life.

Give me a break! I stand Anti-Union! RFLMAO.... I don't think I've ever seen anything so absurd.

That'd be a 'no' vote then?

Is it being a content baron when you do become successful, and do use GOM but very carefully meter it every month against a $200 tier fee minus some small amount of dwell, simply using the lindens as a pool to cover RL costs of owning basically an entire sim? I don't walk away from each day with RL bucks, i jus wanna play SL and be happy and if he group area i'm a part of can cover its own costs, (and give the rest back as un-linden-funded event prizes) so much the better if you ask me

I think you miss the difference between this and a union in real life. I'm not going to pull the members of this union out of their jobs. We don't do jobs in second life, and we won't cripple Secondlife today, or the economy. We are just forming a group of like mindedly concerned people, a union.

*** Edited cause my grammar was rubbish! ***

Here it is, here it is!

Thankyou Uncle Linden for your response. This proves the Lindens are just as good at support as the people are at uniting (well quite a bit better actually, we are only at 29 so far).

When I heard there might be another bug loose, this is EXACTLY what I wanted to hear. Thankyou Lindens for coming through, and sorry this thread flowed so quickly I missed your post.

We have the reassurance from the Lindens that they give permissions exploits top priority and that they understand it's an important issue. But that was the issue I thought was important.

Of the 29 union members we have assembled, what is the next top item we'd like to talk to the Lindens about? The Lindens are luckily happy to respond so we don't need to play hardball, we can just stand united and take our case to them. So let's do that, what's important?

The way I look at it, is you can do two things... you can spend your time frivilously trying to form groups to revolutionize SL, or you can spend your time being creative in SL. The choice is yours.

The bottom line is this.... there are new people joining everyday. The popularity of this is growing and there needs to be checks and balances within the economy. SL is the nest egg of Lindens and GOM and if you think they are going to make decisions that everyone is going to be thrilled about, you're not living in reality. If you think that forming a union for the purpose of being heard, and you think that's the most productive thing to do, then by all means, keep spinning your wheels.

The other thing you could do is send your resume' to them and get a job with them to help the community instead. That would be a much better tactic. I'm sure due to the most recent growth they are looking for good help. You could show then your accomplishments in SL. That would be a suggestion. But to go about it in the way you are, it's clearly not productive for anyone IMHO.

That's my two cents.... and I still don't like the word union! ....

Contrary to popular belief I am not against the recent economic adjustment. It is downtime and service faults I am against. The union is not a pressure group to get my or anyone else's "own way" with the Lindens. I do not want to dictate company policy for Linden Labs.

I'll admit it without any hesitation. It was a bad idea to have the everage SL'er make that much for a few important reasons, the biggest of which is that LL needs to be a profitable company so that SL can be around for a good long time. In order for that to happen they need subscription and tier fees and to constantly be attracting new users... both people who want to create content and casual gamers who just want to experience and consume content. Because all the content is made my us, the players, LL needs to offer incentives for us to devote the time to create high quality content and to continue to expand the world. They do that in two ways... since people at the lower subscription levels don't get a lot of money by default they have an incentive to learn to create content (which doesn't have to be just textures or animations, but includes services, entertainment, and a thousand things no one has thought of yet) and to tier up. People who don't want to try and build a business are encouraged to buy L$. That provides a mechanism for more hardcore content developers to be rewarded for their efforts, which most people put towards covering their expenses. I make very little real profit from SL. I put it all back in to paying my $195 tier fee, paying for my live365 station, covering the cost of licensing photographs I use to make my skins, and purchasing software tools to help me make better quality stuff. That money allows me to do more for SL and to be able to justify the amount of time that I spend on it, a good bit of which is devoted to helping other people improve their skills. I personally could never justify what I spend in time and money here if it wasn't for the ability to make money to cover my costs. I'm a freelance artist and I have a mortgage to pay.

In order to attract and keep mainstream gamers who have no interest in making stuff, SL needs content of a quality level that can meet the expectations they bring with them from other games. We aren't there yet. We won't get there without the ability for people to make money. If you could compare the quality level of content from two years ago to what it is today, it's like night and day. I firmly believe that has a lot to do with people being able to make real money here, and I think LL believes that too.

Just one last comment about bulding a profitable business here... it takes time. I look at someone like Torrid Midnight who started making clothes about two years ago. They weren't very good (sorry Torrid! hehe) because she was brand new to photoshop and texturing. Now her stuff is beautiful and extremely well done. Her work is some of the best SL has to offer. Not only has she gained the ability to cover more expenses and possibly make a little profit, more importantly she's learned some real world skills that will be useful to her outside of SL. And hopefully she had a lot of fun in the process. The moral of the story is that it didn't happen quickly, but it did happen.

I'm sorry for my first comment to you in this thread, Corey. I'll be happy to continue to help you with Poser or anything else. You may need to spend a little bit of money as you develop your skills. $4 will cover 100 uploads. Stick with it and it might not take as long as you think before you've made back that investment a dozen times over.

Corey, you continuously claim that this change was simply for the benefit of the money changers- If you think that that is all there is to it, You are a fool. Have you not noticed the club problem growing out of control?

So if the majority of the community do not wish for you to have a group which "speaks for them," you will shove it down their throats regardless?

Don't give me a slogan in response to this. I'm trying to talk about SERIOUS BUSINESS.

You want to serve the community, but don't care that so far the vast majority don't want you to.

Maybe if you're bored with this you should support Cristiano in THIS thread:

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If you think Merwan got screwed over, check out this thread instead, there's some great discussion over here:

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I really think group titles need to be longe:

Check this threa:

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Wow! A 3-D model importer? This thing is WAY cool.

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This is the best advice I've ever read in the forum. I think I'll write it on a post-it and put it on my screen as a reminder.

Make sure Charlotte sometimes doesn't leave SL. We could REALLY use your support over in this thread.

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MORAL OF THE STORY:

Treat others' threads with the same respect you would like to see in your own.

TROLL MODE OFF.

-Flip

I would normally reply to this post, but my union says it's off limits.

I voted No simply because of the spam. Any proposal which can only be propagated by annoyance is not worthy of consideration.

I didn't put a link in that other thread today. I just made a comment. Are you saying me talking about a group I am trying to establish is now not allowed? I don't think that's fair.

Its just fine to talk about it. Heck, I might even support it.

In Cristiano's thread concerning griefers, you linked to this post three times, and spammed about it twice more, in the first 25 posts in the thread. THAT is my point. I know you're not a bad guy, Jsecure, but that just ain't right.

-Flip

My union specifically forbids me from joining other unions.

Yeah and I got in trouble for it So I think I've paid my dues for putting a few links about yesterday, I got a warning

As players of SL we have many ways of voicing our opinions with the Lindens:

1. E-mail SL Customer Support
   
2. E-mail specific Linden staff directly
   
3. Call SL customer support
   
4. Post multiple threads on the forums stating the problems/ideas/questions
   
5. Starting multiple threads on the SL forums to garner fellow player support for ideas
   
6. Host in-world events to publicize ideas for change
   
7. Contact Lindens in-world to express ideas
   
8. Renew/Cancel our game subscriptions
   

Why I think that forming a union of SL players would not be feasible or correct:

1. We pay to play SL, players are not employees of SL
   
2. We are given a stipend as part of our subscription to the game, it is not payment for services rendered
   
3. Players are not oppressed employees of LL
   
4. A union would include all SL players, but this would be redundant since we are all part of the same player base,
   
5. For the union:
   
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   1. who would create the union hierarchy
      
   2. who would collect dues
      
   3. who would create the union's rules/regulations/charter
      
   4. what authority would this union have
      
   5. Unions are made up of representatives - who would those be? and how would they be chosen?
      
   6. who would decide what issues are important
      
   7. who watches the union to make sure there is no graft, corruption, favoritism
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6. 
   

While I agree that sometimes the Lindens do not seem to respond to all the SL players' needs, I do not agree that we need a union for the players.

Now we have a new version of second life that patches the copy exploitation I was so worried about.

But I do think it was important to come together while this issue was in the wild, and talk with the Lindens as a group to discuss the action being taken to minimalise the damage.

The Lindens were prompt and efficient, stating they were working on the patch and it was at the top of their priority queue. And now we have our new version of second life. A good job by the Lindens.

I think this case shows just how useful it can be to come together and work as a team to get the latest information on problems that challenge our society in Second Life on a day to day basis.