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A Union Of SecondLife Members To Lobby The Lindens?

Zee Moe
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Join date: 3 Nov 2004
Posts: 6
01-17-2005 19:22
Don't bother inviting me to the group, I already voted no.
Jsecure Hanks
Capitalist
Join date: 9 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,451
01-17-2005 19:22
A group of citizens voicing their concerns with the Lindens will not have a negative one, but I can't promise a positive outcome. I can promise we'll speak up, be heard, and try...
Uncle Linden
Member
Join date: 14 Dec 2004
Posts: 62
Permissions bugs get top priority
01-17-2005 19:31
Permissions bugs get top priority and we plug them as soon as they are identified.

If you know about an exploit you should be interested in this thread:
/120/e5/29931/1.html

We will pay you for hauling it in.

Yes, exploits are dangerous trouble and there are examples of how seriously we take this issue and how quickly we do plug the holes once they are identified.

Again, exploits receive top priority and are already addressed first on the list.



From: Jsecure Hanks
OK, but today I read in another thread that there is ANOTHER permissions bug allowing people to copy items at will. You make it, others flog it.

Shouldn't this be given top priority and all bugs of this kind be wiped out forever? Can't we lobby the lindens to get them to make this a higher priority? Not if we all go our separate ways.

A union can only come directly from the people. Stand together or stand apart. It's not even to do with me that much. I just gave the call. But if you don't answer it don't complain next time something breaks.
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Siggy Romulus
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Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
01-17-2005 19:36
From: Uncle Linden


Again, exploits receive top priority and are already addressed first on the list.



So I guess my request for a cameltoe slider has been bumped down the list somewhat?

Siggy.
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
Join date: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,706
01-17-2005 19:36
OMG!

Management co-opting again!


ROFLOL


Thank you UL for posting this onGoing top priority link.
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Kei Mars
z-list celebrity
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
Posts: 228
01-17-2005 19:39
From: Siggy Romulus
So I guess my request for a cameltoe slider has been bumped down the list somewhat?

Siggy.


OK, now I spat my green tea through my nose. OW! :D
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Jeri Zuma
Registered User
Join date: 28 Jun 2004
Posts: 77
No to the Union.... and maybe to an advisory assembly
01-17-2005 19:41
Im with Jade, Driftwood and others, that a union is a bad idea.... The Lindens are actually a very good bunch of people..... and I won't be jeopardizing my account or land to bully them into a reprioritization of whatever, when they have the best view of what needs to be worked on....

But I *am* for an advisory assembly... of some sort, where delegates are elected from each sim, and where the users can come togther to pass resolutions which would give Linden Labs a sense of where we stand on the issues of the day.... but striking? witholding money? No,no no!!!

-Jeri
Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
01-17-2005 19:44
Hehhehe I'm pretty curious as to how the 'not paying the monthy bill as a peacefull protest' would work out :P

I gotta admit I think can predict the outcome of this one -- probably the same outcome that happened when my Mother in law didn't pay the powerbill as a protest.....

All I can say is : I'm glad I had candles.

Siggy.
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Talen Morgan
Amused
Join date: 2 Apr 2004
Posts: 3,097
01-17-2005 19:45
From: Jeri Zuma


But I *am* for an advisory assembly... of some sort, where delegates are elected from each sim, and where the users can come togther to pass resolutions which would give Linden Labs a sense of where we stand on the issues of the day.... but striking? witholding money? No,no no!!!

-Jeri


oh no here we go again.......see that long trail of lights coming up the hill.....they be the revolting peasants coming to pitchfork you......pretend you never mentioned this and back away from the thread slooooooowly. Just nod and agree with Siggy bout the camel toe slider on yyour way out and maybe no one will notice :p
Korg Stygian
Curmudgeon Extraordinaire
Join date: 3 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,105
01-17-2005 19:52
The only "union" the Lindens have any real intention of listening to are those who vote with their checkbooks and leave. Think about it.

If you continue to pay money and to accept the things that continue to go wrong here, they have no reason to listen and make changes. Period.

If people finally take their money and run/leave, then LL has a vested interest in finding out why because it is/will be costing them money.

The only drawback to this "argument" is that such a "union" would no longer be present/invested in making LL any better.
Corey Craven
Registered User
Join date: 17 Sep 2004
Posts: 78
01-17-2005 20:13
From: Chip Midnight
Says yet another freeloader who thinks they should get money for doing nothing but bitching and sticking their hand out.



Yes I do beleive I should NOT have to WORK for money in a GAME I play for ENJOYMENT and RELAXATION! How's your seat on the top 10 bankrolls in SL feel? Probably quite a bit more comfy now that yourt L$ are selling for a lot more on GOM huh. Your arguements have absolutly no merit. You look at things only from your real money making aspect as opposed to seeing it from those that don't have major computer design exp. to make goods people want to buy! It's ok though for the short term your linden money will sell for more on GOM. People will quickly get sick of making 500 a week and spending shitloads of money on GOM to buy L$ and leave this game. Your greed will be your downfall! I'm doing my best to learn Poser and Photo Shop. Even if I do manage to learn I will never be able to compete with those that are experienced in computer design. With 500 a week I won't be able to afford to rent several vender places that would be needed to profit and upload much stuff. Just in making 4 animations I spent 250 uploading as the sample window is so poorly laid out you have to constantly retweak and upload again. In a week or so when my pay is down to 500 that will be 50% of my pay just to upload 4 things. So Chip sit up there in your top 10 bankroll seat and look down on the trash that won't be making money anymore. Be happy you will now be making even more on GOM. Your real life profit from a game is at the expense of my fun. Enjoy it!
Jonquille Noir
Lemon Fresh
Join date: 17 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,025
01-17-2005 20:23
From: Corey Craven
Yet another money exchanger saying 'screw everyone elses ability to make some money and enjoy SL so she can sell her L$ on GOM for more'

Your union idea won't work simply because such a small percentage of SL users actually read the forums. You're touching such a small portion of the population by advertising it here. Other then that I think it's a great idea. The money exchangers won't support it though, because it may mean the average player is once again able to make some money without being a programmer/computer design type.


How exactly would joining a "union" and going on "strike" allow you to make some money without being a programmer/computer design type? Do you think Jsecure is going to pay for your vote? Does making some money have anything to do with being in this union, or are you just such a one-hit wonder that you have that accusation on a macro somewhere?
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Jonquille Noir
Lemon Fresh
Join date: 17 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,025
01-17-2005 20:31
From: Corey Craven
Yes I do beleive I should NOT have to WORK for money in a GAME I play for ENJOYMENT and RELAXATION! How's your seat on the top 10 bankrolls in SL feel? Probably quite a bit more comfy now that yourt L$ are selling for a lot more on GOM huh. Your arguements have absolutly no merit. You look at things only from your real money making aspect as opposed to seeing it from those that don't have major computer design exp. to make goods people want to buy! It's ok though for the short term your linden money will sell for more on GOM. People will quickly get sick of making 500 a week and spending shitloads of money on GOM to buy L$ and leave this game. Your greed will be your downfall! I'm doing my best to learn Poser and Photo Shop. Even if I do manage to learn I will never be able to compete with those that are experienced in computer design. With 500 a week I won't be able to afford to rent several vender places that would be needed to profit and upload much stuff. Just in making 4 animations I spent 250 uploading as the sample window is so poorly laid out you have to constantly retweak and upload again. In a week or so when my pay is down to 500 that will be 50% of my pay just to upload 4 things. So Chip sit up there in your top 10 bankroll seat and look down on the trash that won't be making money anymore. Be happy you will now be making even more on GOM. Your real life profit from a game is at the expense of my fun. Enjoy it!


Why don't you go play WoW and scream and cry because they don't just hand you money and experience points for sitting on your ass?

Let us know how that works out.
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 10,231
01-17-2005 20:45
Tell me Corey... why are you so seething with resentment? Truly I'd like to understand. When you signed up for SL did you think it was a game where you'd be able to level up? Did you have an expectation that you'd get access to everything without expending any effort? And what is it that you need money for if your only goal in SL is to relax? I don't really see myself as the greedy one in this conversation. I've worked very hard for what I have in SL, as has everyone else that's gotten to a level of success where they have spare L$ to cash out. Do you think that's somehow unfair? I think it's unfair for someone to expect to get something for nothing. I think it's greedy for someone to expect to get money without finding a way to earn it. You don't have to be a graphic artist or a programmer to succeed in SL, but you do have to use your imagination. You do have to come up with an idea to fill a niche that hasn't been thought of. Instead of forming a union to demand things from Linden Lab perhaps a better use of your time would be to form a union to discuss ideas about how you can band together to contribute something to SL that hasn't been thought of yet, or to provide a service that might be needed. Your attitude is like if you joined EQ and didn't want to go kill any monsters and instead just demanded that your level should be raised just because you paid your subscription fee and showed up. So, yes... I am comfortable. It feels good to work my ass off and have something to show for it. I'm proud of it and feel no guilt. There is absolutely nothing wrong with coming here just to relax, but I personally would feel guilty if I expected to get the same rewards those who don't just relax get. *shrug*
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eltee Statosky
Luskie
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
Posts: 1,258
01-17-2005 21:21
i will agree LL doesn't always make deadlines and priorities in the ways i would see ideal, but then they shouldn't because its not MY company and whats good for me is not necessarily good for SL or the other players and i won't pretend it is jus to get more personal 'user backing' for my own agendas.

doin so is jus bleh, i don even have words right now for it
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Vestalia Hadlee
Second Life Resident
Join date: 19 Oct 2004
Posts: 296
no
01-17-2005 21:47
I've seen too many issues in the forums which voice united hot passions of a mob when I would prefer cool heads to prevail.

I have no confidence a union of residents would be any different. Those who wish a union should feel free to form and join one and I wish them well; but no union may speak for me. I have my own voice thank you.
Lita Kothari
Cynically Skeptical
Join date: 12 Nov 2003
Posts: 122
01-17-2005 21:50
I just love how these polls are worded.

How about "Yes, let's keep up the knee-jerk reactions" or "No, this is pointless"?
Jade Lily
Cat Herder
Join date: 9 Oct 2003
Posts: 219
01-17-2005 21:58
From: Chip Midnight
Instead of forming a union to demand things from Linden Lab perhaps a better use of your time would be to form a union to discuss ideas about how you can band together to contribute something to SL that hasn't been thought of yet, or to provide a service that might be needed.


That is a beautiful idea.
Alexa Hope
Registered User
Join date: 8 Dec 2004
Posts: 670
01-17-2005 22:00
I never joined a Union in RL and not about to join one in SL. I'm sorry but I don't think its a good idea at all. Do you imagine that LL are not working to make SL more stable and beat the bugs? Of course they are.

Alexa
Icy Leader
Registered User
Join date: 15 Jan 2005
Posts: 3
01-17-2005 22:11
I'm all for a union. But honestly.. with the way JSecure is spamming this in almost every thread, I'd be embarassed to even be a part of it.
Ice Brodie
Head of Neo Mobius
Join date: 28 May 2004
Posts: 434
01-17-2005 22:24
May this spammed poll die...
I can understand one's interest in a union but... SL is managed well enough, they're just under-staffed at the moment. I've had no bad interactions with a Linden on any issue. Even my mapper incident ended on a good note. I wish RL cops could be as nice as Linden Lab's staff. RL tech support could be as nice, RL * as nice as Linden Lab.
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Lance LeFay
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Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 1,488
01-17-2005 22:27
From: Corey Craven
Yet another money exchanger saying 'screw everyone elses ability to make some money and enjoy SL so she can sell her L$ on GOM for more'

Your union idea won't work simply because such a small percentage of SL users actually read the forums. You're touching such a small portion of the population by advertising it here. Other then that I think it's a great idea. The money exchangers won't support it though, because it may mean the average player is once again able to make some money without being a programmer/computer design type.



Sounds like someone is bitter because they suck at life (the second one) =(
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Siggy Romulus
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Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
01-17-2005 22:46
From: Corey Craven
Yes I do beleive I should NOT have to WORK for money in a GAME I play for ENJOYMENT and RELAXATION!!


Question:
Then why are you so pissed over money?

Just do your thing and enjoy... if you're having a good time the rest will either come, or won't matter.



BTW your observations on Chip are as far off base as comparing cookie dough and dog vomit.

Just thought I'd mention that.

Siggy.
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Lance LeFay
is a Thug
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 1,488
01-17-2005 22:49
From: Siggy Romulus
Question:
Then why are you so pissed over money?

Just do your thing and enjoy... if you're having a good time the rest will either come, or won't matter.



BTW your observations on Chip are as far off base as comparing cookie dough and dog vomit.

Just thought I'd mention that.

Siggy.



Sucka got served! :D
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Tcoz Bach
Tyrell Victim
Join date: 10 Dec 2002
Posts: 973
01-17-2005 22:53
This has been attempted before JSecure. While I think the Lindens will read any letter from residents, you will more than likely never get a response other than some dry language containing a link to policy and the TOS.

Knock yerself out though I mean hey it's something to do, good luck.

I saw a dog vomit cookie dough once.
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