A Union Of SecondLife Members To Lobby The Lindens?

My whereabouts:

In the last week or so I did suffer a huge amount of attacks in the secondlife forums from some nameless individuals. It has gone down a lot now and this thread for instance has been fairly peaceful. But the stuff of about a week or so ago has left me kind of edgy, and a bit stressed, and I think I need some time away.

Hopefully there's enough Q+A here for most people to understand what I'm trying to do with the creation of this union/group/governemnt, so this thread should caretake itself for a bit. Please, no insults or stuff while I'm gone (Or while I'm here for that matter).

While I'm gone I'm going to work on my IM system version 2 source code. And sleep a lot tonight. And pay my fiancee at least half the attention she deserves but sometimes doesn't get.

Yes, in hindsight, maybe posting in a sleep deprivived state at 2:30 am wasn't the best thing to do but, I was in a "get things off my chest mood".

Maybe this wasn't the best place to put the post but as you can see I have not posted often but plan to read the forums more in the future.

1) Union? Group? Uh huh! We can be just as effective as individuals as we could be "organized". I am sure that LL already receives it's fair share of complaints on a daily basis of what residents feel are wrong and unfair. Why should they give a complaint that is sent in by a resident representing a "group of people" any more weight than one sent in by an individual? And as I mentioned and you proved it is clear that some Lindens peruse the forums and are probably very much aware of this by now. I really see no added benefit to organizing.

2) My other point: People that create things (scripts, objects, etc) NEED end-users to buy them without it, what is the point? The end-users need to have the opportunity to be able to earn L$ without neccessarily needing to have or learn a skill as those mentioned before. SL parallels RL... supply and demand... supply is the creators of SL and demand is the non-creators of SL and they should be able to have the opportunity to purchase what the creators have to sell in SL without having to dump MORE RL money into the game by buying L$. I would like to see more SL jobs out there that residents actually hold true to on there word and not use it as a ploy to increase their dwell or traffic or whatever it is called these days.

A quick point - for some, the act of creation is an end in itself.

Kei

Read my earlier post... I fully recognize that there are SOME thet do create for the shear enjoyment... I did not mean to generalize the group. It is directed at those that have the attitude of "Learn a f'ing skill or don't play SL" which is becoming more and more prevelant these days.

I haven't seen many people particularly saying 'learn a skill or dont play' apart from the odd troll. I have seen people saying repeatedly in a dozen different ways basically 'if you need money in second life, then you need a means to get money, whether that be getting a job (which doesnt require a direct creative skill) or injecting your cash through GOM or something'.

Yes, I agree with your basic point about creators need customers, but they don't particularly need people who think that the 'content barons' (now they've turned on the evol creators) ought to be giving them a free ride, or that taxes should be implemented, or that they deserve a stipend just for logging in, or that they deserve to be entertained for free while they are here.

The fact is, you do not need money to play Second Life. I don't think the basic principle that if you'd like to spend money you should have it to spend is all that objectionable, is it?

Must... give... Kris.... Ritter.... all.... my.... money.....

I apologize... maybe I missed that part in my own message where I said that all the "content barons" as you put it deserve a free ride??? I DID say that those that do NOT have such skills but would like to be able to earn for what they get are much more limited in their options than those that create. I think it should be evened out a bit more... is that such a TERRIBLE suggestion?? God forbid that those with no skills like those that create ACTUAL find a a viable way to earn L$!!! Shutter the thought to think that some of these people could actually be able to get themselves on the same playing field as others and they didn't have to make a pair of crotchless panties, or a particle blaster that shoots flaming cows, or design a building, house, club, etc. OH THE HORROR!!!

Further more Kris, I NEVER said that you needed money to play SL!! It is a choice and if you read what I wrote I acknowledged the fact that if one chose to do so they could have a very enjoyable experience in SL and never have to spend 1 L$. That being said... do you like to have nice clothes?? Do you like to shop?? Think of all the things that you see daily that are new in SL that you say "WoW!! I want one of those!". Unless you build it yourself Kris, how are you going to get it? This the creator is gonna feel sorry for you and just give you one?? It takes L$ and THAT is the point I am making is that if one CHOOSES that they do want to buy things that they should be given an equal chance to be able to earn L$ in SL in the way and volume as everyone else. Not that it should be given to them just for playing but, make it so that they have the opportunity to be able to work as hard or harder at something else since they don't have the skills that the people that create do!

(emphasis mine)

Crap, RL has finally invaded SL?