Bring Back Prokofy Neva
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-17-2005 12:59
From: Cristiano Midnight Wow, are you now Jake? Since that is who I quoted and responded to. Sorry again. My misread. coco |
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Sebastian Skye
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11-17-2005 13:00
From: Jake Reitveld This is true. I would agree with you under ordinary circumstances. However the Lindens have shows times and again that the are not willing to enforce the TOS to stop the ongoing personall attacks and sowing of rancor by other memebrs of the forum community. In light of this, Prokofy's ban is meaningless, and ultimately unfair. If we are willing to tolerate the vitriol of other posters, then we should be willing tolerate it from prokofy. Jake, none of any of these personal attacks were anywhere near Prok's. And if you are offended by these attacks, why would you want more to added to the forums? Shouldn't you be advocating less. Prok's attacks on me were so bad I was afraid to post. Prok would attack me in areas where I was going to avoid Prok. I moved away from Prok and Prok followed me and posted pictures of my home to ridicule me. If someone is so bad as that, have you AR'ed them? Bring it to LL attention again and again and I believe they will do something.
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-17-2005 13:02
From: Cocoanut Koala Sorry again. My misread.
coco It's fine. Also, to be clear - I never advocated Prokofy's ban in the first place. I can't say I miss him being here, but as I said, he just took the attacks to a different venue and turned them up a notch, so his being able to post or not being able to post makes little difference to me. I agree it is probably in his best interest not to be posting here, as he would most likely run afoul of forum policies again and end up losing his SL access altogether. As I don't remotely care about what is in Prokofy's best interest, again, I am ambivalent on whether he comes back or not.
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Jake Reitveld
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11-17-2005 13:03
From: Cristiano Midnight No, my point was this. You said Prokofy was banned for actions similar to what others are doing and have not been banned for, thus he should be unbanned. My question to you is should the others also banned for similar infractions (Prokofy is not the only person currently enjoying permanent forum ban, while still having SL access), should it be rescinded for everyone, or just Prokofy? I am not aware of any other posters banned from the forums for making personal attacks and being divisive. But yes. If someone has been banned for repeated personalattacks in the same way prokofy was, then they should be brought back to the forums. Since the strictures on personal attacks ore not being enforced anyway. Persoanlly I think the new rule tieing form bans to world bans has had a chilling effect on forum enforcement. BEcause now the penalties for banning are so harsh that people who regularly make attacks, such as the one coco posted, are not banned because it would kick them out of the game. It s bad rule in my mind, and has resulted in unjust application.
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-17-2005 13:03
From: Sebastian Skye If it didn't stop you from posting, it wasn't anywhere near as severe as Prok's post. And did you AR the post? I think it was way beyond the line of what amount of severity should be allowed. Prok's posts, here or elsewhere, have nothing to do with that. It was quite severe. When he posted about chopping my fingers off in Hamlet's blog, at least Hamlet removed it. When he taunted me, here, AGAIN, though, asking "How's those fingers?" nothing was done about that, either. Yes, I ARed the things. They are still there. (There was one, some months back, where he called me a "shitheel" which was removed.) I consider this absolutely unacceptable. As far as I'm concerned, the Lindens are effectively endorsing this kind of treatment by one player of another. He also told me to stop being net nanny and let the Lindens "spank his hands" if they didn't like what he was saying. They have not. He is vindicated. coco P.S. I am not calling for that individual to be banned, from either the forum, or the game. I am calling for protection from that individual. But I'm not getting it. |
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Jake Reitveld
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11-17-2005 13:07
From: Sebastian Skye Jake, none of any of these personal attacks were anywhere near Prok's. And if you are offended by these attacks, why would you want more to added to the forums? Shouldn't you be advocating less.
Prok's attacks on me were so bad I was afraid to post. Prok would attack me in areas where I was going to avoid Prok. I moved away from Prok and Prok followed me and posted pictures of my home to ridicule me.
If someone is so bad as that, have you AR'ed them? Bring it to LL attention again and again and I believe they will do something. I have repeatedly used the AR process. And I absolutely disagree-I have seen personal attacks since prok was banned that would make prok blanche. I don't really want more personal attacks in the forums, I just want just enforcement. If we are not going to use the rules to meaningly enforce the forum policies, the all prokofy's ban does is amke a hand full of his victims feel better. Meanwhile the targets and victims of attacks by others must tough it out. Ultimately this is not an issue about prokofy, but an issue about discipline enforcement.
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Sensual Casanova
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11-17-2005 13:09
Ok I dont feel like reading 14 pages of bickering to get my answer... so what is it Prok did to be banned?
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11-17-2005 13:10
From: Cocoanut Koala Nor can I imagine how or why anyone could take pleasure from calling someone else "a psychotic" or other similar sorts of names we frequently hear tossed about here. Maybe you should ask your dear friend Prokofy.  |
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Weedy Herbst
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11-17-2005 13:10
From: Sensual Casanova Ok I dont feel like reading 14 pages of bickering to get my answer... so what is it Prok did to be banned? Excessive trolling and personal attacks. |
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Cienna Samiam
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11-17-2005 13:11
From: Cocoanut Koala I can't imagine how or why anyone would actually take enjoyment in calling another poster an "attention whoring troll."
Nor can I imagine how or why anyone could take pleasure from calling someone else "a psychotic" or other similar sorts of names we frequently hear tossed about here.
What I really can't figure out, though, is why people get away with doing that on these forums time after time, all the time. It's plain uncivilized.
coco That's because it isn't enjoyment, *edited* It's disgust. As in 'being disgusted', like the way I feel every time I see yet another of your attention whoring posts. Or as in the way I feel to see the same people falling for the same tactic time and time again... or as in the way I feel when I see you taking this much enjoyment out of making as big and ugly a stink as humanly possible. *edited*
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Sensual Casanova
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11-17-2005 13:11
From: Weedy Herbst Excessive trolling and personal attacks. to be honest, I have seen alot of attacking towards him/her also... so its got to be more than that? |
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Jake Reitveld
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11-17-2005 13:13
No Sensual, that was it excessive trolling and personal attacks.
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11-17-2005 13:13
From: Cristiano Midnight The thing is, you would never say a word when Prokofy would do the very thing you are speaking of. Not a peep out of you - only in response to what others would say. Ok, I can dig what you're saying. But bad behavior is bad behavior whether or not a 3rd party criticizes both parties or not. And even it if were, there seems to be a lack of criticism for quite a few people's bad behavior here.
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11-17-2005 13:15
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