Bring Back Prokofy Neva

I would like to put forward the idea that Prokofy Neva should be allowed back on the forums. I base this on several things.

First, forum reform has not really worked.

IMO the forums are still just as likely to devolve into name calling, personal attacks etc. as they ever were. The "new harshness" or whatever the code name was for the beefed up rules, has done little that I can see to limit the nasty side of human nature that shows itself in any debate forum.

There has been a couple of incidents lately by avatars on the forum that I think are far worse than anything Prokofy ever did. I'm not going to go into anything in detail cause I dont want to throw accusations around but the "racist avatar" thread comes to mind as being a particularly nasty and personal attack on large segments of the population.

Although I am sure others have been banned, how many avatars have been banned for something they wrote in the forum? Is that really the kind of censorship we want? Crash the grid or harrass a player, and you deserve to be banned. But however far any post on the forum may stray into "personal attack territory," doesn't it really begin with an exchange of ideas? And isn't that different from crashing the grid or flinging virtual poo around or shooting someone with a push gun?

Worse yet, he has not actually been banned from the game, just from the forum so it's kind of like he is in jail or on parole or something. He's just like any regular citizen, .... except for the gag.

Oh, but we're allowed to talk about him of course though.

IMO, the level of debate has actually dropped since he left. In fact since the "new rules" have been implemented, several of the best debaters, have just trickled off and wandered away it seems to me.

If the forum gets much more boring, perhaps no one will ever act up again! Then Prokofy will go down in history as the only person ever "banned for his ideas" in SL. A distinction that he might enjoy, and yet one that does not reflect well on the rest of us. I know he wasn't really banned for his ideas, but more for suposedly taking his ideas to far into "personal attacks," but given the less than lily white nature of the rest of us, that's certainly how it might look in retrospect.

To me, the political/social/economic kind of debates are the best ones as the topic is something I dont get to talk about very much in RL. When I first started perusing these forums, those were the exciting threads to me.

But out of all the big characters or "forum personalities" that contributed to these debates at that time, only Prokofy Neva has been banned. Why is that? Other people in that same group have made personal attacks for sure, some of them quite mean and very personal. Other people in that same group have made inflammatory posts just to incense this or that portion of the SL population.

Anyone who knows me, and knows Prokofy, knows that my political and economic ideas are pretty much the opposite end of the spectrum from his. I am not saying he should come back because all of a sudden I agree with his ideas. I'm saying I dont enjoy a world where ideas that might possibly irritate someone are removed from sight.

***** Please Note ******

Prokofy Neva did *not* ask me to post this and probably does not agree with me anyway. He will certainly be mad at me for making a thread about him for people to jump all over or whatever, but unfortunately I am my own boss and I wanted to post it.

So I did.

This will not end well.

Agreed, this should be intresting.. Btw, wouldnt this work better as a poll?

- Sam

Dammit Enabran! Beat me to it.

While we are at it......

I don't think that Linden Labs has enough bandwidth.

Who needs Prokofy when we have Blaze?!?

Briana Dawson

I don't think they have enough teargas to hold off the ensuing fury.

I'd actually like to see LL get stricter with people who violate the TOS. We have people taking down the grid these days, I don't think it is a good time to start relaxing on TOS violators. That being said I actually like Prok and some of the discussions he started on the forums. But violate the TOS and go bye bye... seems like a good rule. Nevermind continue to violate it after several warnings.

When pigs fly.

I think if you look at her blog sometime, that'll answer your question.

I don't see any reason to bring back a troll just because there are "worse" ones around (I think that's debatable).

Maybe the debate has dropped in the threads, but if you look at older Prokofy threads, she doesn't really debate. She gets an idea in her head and never lets go of it, even in the face of facts proving otherwise. If you disagree with her, you're simply "FIC" or a "FIC hang-on". And she'd just keep going like this until people started getting bored or frustrated of putting points to her and give up.

She's a troll and doesn't need to come back, she's definately not reformed at all, if anything she's gotten worse.

I think you're incorrect with your assessment. Things used to get a lot nastier.


I don't see how derogatory insults, threats, or slander is any less significant in affecting a victim's SL as the other things you've mentioned.


I fail to see how not being banned from SL is "worse" than only being banned from General Discussion Forums.


This is a valid point, and I've reported threads that have attacked Prok before. I encourage you to do the same.


Perhaps they are less exciting debates since there isn't sparks flying. I have to admit; I'd be more likely to read a thread if it was a flame-fest.


So go to the politics / econ forum, not general.


Because others who got suspended would then stop, apologize, and realize they went too far. Prokofy went ahead and continued slander and personal attacks on an alt, and when that alt was banned, on another alt.


Prok's hardly out of site. There's even a link to his blog from New World Notes.

And it's not "a world" where he's removed. It's the forums. Prok is still in our world.

Bring back this too!

Believe it or not, I actually kind of agree.

It's not that Prok isn't incinderary; Prok is. But on the other hand, I don't think Prok is particularly more inflammatory than some of the other quick-to-flame sorts.

Besides, there's Ignore Lists if you really can't stand it, eh?

Okay, so here's a more serious post on my part.

First, this is a thread about a particular resident whose name alone happens to bring lots of flaming. It's a safe bet that this thread will be locked and/or editted by Jeska before noon tomorrow.


That said, I (somewhat) support the way things are now. Prok really wasn't banned from the forum for any one opinion; it's the constant breaches of the Forum Guidelines that did it. The way Prok presents matters, simply, isn't forum friendly.

On the core issues, however, I happen to have a fair deal of respect for Prok's opinion. We may not see eye to eye, but all the same, Prok should (and does) have a voice via his blog, which is openly visible here.


Furthermore, removing residents from Second Life for the way they present their opinions on the forums is a policy I don't support. Despite the vitriol here, Prok runs a fairly successful business in Second Life and can be quite friendly in-world... provided you can actually support your opinion.


At any rate, this matter is (and essentially has been) closed. Bringing it back up for the sake of trolling is a bad idea and, counterpoint, speaking for Prok is just as bad as against, in my opinion.


So, meh.

And ignore everyone who quotes too.

That took guts, Dianne. Your reputation just went ballistic in my book.

It's become clear to me that the difference between Prokofy Neva and certain "stars" around here is bling, flash, a few more social graces and networking skills, and an ability to dance across the mob's bared fangs without suffering cuts and punctures. A more abbreviated "writing" style. And perhaps - just perhaps - a small bit more sanity.

But I doubt that last part when I see twenty-five pages of "let's go after the Big Beach Nut for her wacky indiscretions, and spend a significant chunk of our day putting her in her place."

I mean, who really has time for that kind of thing, who has a real life? Or even a Second Life?

Think of what might happen, if certain people were just ignored, or better still, treated with initial respect, followed by polite silence when they go "too far". Think of all the wonderful things that might have been created inworld, or all the wonderful dialogue that might have been posted in these forums - if the energy spent on "crusades" against these beyond-the-pale people had been put to better use - by other people who claim to be the business-engines and content-creators of Second Life.

And Prokofy Neva was banned, for essentially similar crimes. A mere question of degree, and a questionable question of degree - depending on who we shall compare him to.

What bullshit.

The last thing I want to see is Prokofy Neva reinstated in the forums. However, I want the standard applied to him applied to others. Yeah. To me, too. And not necessarily by Linden Lab. By the residents of Second Life and the contributors to this forum. And if that can't be done, then reinstate Prokofy Neva - because there would be no honest reason not to.

Great idea Dianne! Bring back Prokofy! I'll go make some popcorn

O RLY?

Request Denied.... Additionally... No No and No to bringing back Prokofy.

Bring back Profuky Naumova.

What part of No do you not understand???

Are you blind? Or do you just have ADD?
Profuky Naumova was an alt, created by pandastrong i think, to poke fun at Prokofy Neva's name.