Bring Back Prokofy Neva

Yeah, but I don't think "anonymity" is really a factor with Prokofy, between the person behind the avatar's appearance in a magazine, at the SLCC, and so forth.

I was the target of one of Prok's campaigns. But I believe in second chances.

Oh, I agree there. The forum ban was unsufficient. But you take what you can get, I suppose.

Let's all tie each other to trees and axe each other down while we're at it!

Rather than bringing back Prokofy, I suggest more heavy moderation / banning on the trolls that make the forums unpleasant at the moment.

I have no problem adhering to the TOS. Why should I have to rub shoulders with a repeat TOS violator? Makes no sense.

Prok annoys me to no end. Her constant conspiracy theories makes my head hurt. Her slander of other residents is down right wrong. I rarely agree with anything she has to say.

But, I am against censorship and think a lifetime ban is a bit too much.

who?!

I haven't been here long, but I've been active in Internet discussion groups since before there was an Internet by that name and I have to say that banning someone permanently from a forum should be a last resort at best, after sanctions up to and including substantial but TEMPORARY bans have failed.

If the person is educable, they will learn.

If the person is just a troll, they will be back in an alt.

The people who are honestly irrational and neither trolling nor capable of learning from experience are rare indeed... and often too successful in real-world politics to bother messing around here.

Whoops, did I say that last bit out loud?

Well, Prok's had a few harsh words for me, too. The way I see it, in my business dealings with Prok I've tried to hold up my end of the bargain as fairly and honorably as I could, and generally succeeded, I think. His personal opinions only affect me insofar as he might go around telling other people I'm an ass, or whatever. Since relying on one person's opinion and taking it as gospel - not just Prokofy, anyone's - is a sad way to go about things, I expect the numerous people who don't think I'm an ass cancels it out.


(That said, I prefer "mule", as in "stubborn as". )

My first reaction when I saw this thread was "ohhhhhh HELL NO!!" But, then I realized that even with prok banned from these forums we still hear about her in some sort of reference DAILY! So, why the hell not?? It won't make a difference since I've had her on ignore since she told untruths about me that proved to me that she was not of sound mind.

I also think that Dianne is just starving for attention and she knew this was the one topic that would get attention (sadly!)

MJ

I guess you don't read her blog. She hasn't changed. Second chances imply someone has learned their lesson and will try to do better. First of all, she and her supporters still feel she did no wrong in the first place. That her attacks were just her "ideas" and when we complained, we were attacking her because of her ideas.

She wrote some harsh things about me after the SLCC meeting which I know I did not warrant. If she is allowed to come back, I will remove myself once again from the forums.

Maybe everyone else has a short memory, but I remember clearly.

I would agree with this "inifinite ban from the forum is too much" business, however!

If you throw a guy in jail for attempted murder for life with parole, and all during that jail sentence he talks nothing about how if he gets out he's going to go on a killing spree, do you think that they're going to possibly let him out on parole? Obviously the guy hasn't changed and he's going to hurt others if let out.

Prokofy is the same thing, she got banned and claimed that she was banned as being the lone crusader against the forum full of FIC and Tekki-wikkinista that didn't like her ideas and got rid of her, and as you can see in her blog, ever since then she's still been slandering and attacking residents.

If Prokofy were let back on the forums I could say without a doubt that she wouldn't suddenly convert into a rational debater who knows the limit and confines of her debate and doesn't resort to personal attacks or imaginary secret power structures like the FIC. All Prokofy coming back would mean that Jeska would have to work a little harder editing and locking her threads, than Prok would get banned again in a few weeks.

Prok is just a no good drama machine, and having her banned from the forums was a very good move.

Thank you, Hiro. But that proves little.

It doesn't matter that I've not been banned because I've been reasonably civil. What matters is that others - including some people in this very thread - have been shockingly uncivil on numerous occasions, yet are still here, and their shocking comments stand unedited.

What's up with that?

coco

The post was kind of impulsive for me.

I only spent a few minutes correcting the spelling, whereas I sometimes go through many many drafts on the simplest of posts. I mention that because I am certainly not sure of my logic on this one although I did not deteect any great flaws or hypocrisy on my part so far.

I think what you have said here is very close to what I was thinking. I am not a "big fan" of Prokofy in the sense of agreeing with his ideas, but I find him interesting nonetheless and I have similar feelings about lots of folks on the forum.

My life-long position on stuff like this is that its always best to simply forget about censorship or trying to force people to behave in a certain way by implementing a lot of rules and "babysitting" them. A much smaller rule set of honesty with a touch of politeness and the ability to simply ignore people is best IMO.

To those like Satch that are arguing that there should be even stronger rules, I sort of agree in a backhanded way. The best solution to the forums as far as I can see is to either go one way or the other. To either drop all pretense at "managing" the forums, or for the Lindens to actually roll up their sleeves and start laying down even *more* rules and seriously enforcing them across the board, to everyone.

I took a look around at some boards I have been perusing lately before I posted and it seems to me that most of the moderated forums are far stricter than this one. There are rules at the top of every page, IP's are logged and there are big signs telling you this is the case. I got the feeling , especially with some of the smaller boards that the moderator was watching very closely, but on this one there seem to be large periods of time when no one is really there.

I am not trying to fault Jeska with that comment, from all accounts she is an angelic hard working creature, the legend made all the stronger in my mind by the fact that I have never met her. One person, (however strong and fair), is not enough to manage a forum of this size though.

Given the Lindens staffing issue, I think that simply having a free open discussion board would be the preferred solution, but failing that, I would be happy if the whole thing was completely locked down like an MS bulletin board. That way the "real" forum will grow somewhere else.

You already do. Lots of them.

coco

April, that proves she must be insane because you were one of the people I met that had me leave feeling very enthusiastic about SL.

Why does anyone even imagine a board run by someone else would be anyway near fair?

I can't see this happening.

I {heart} Beau!

I'd see this if she was taking on everyone in the thread and arguing her point with them but she has just put her ideas out there and left the table open for discussion. I believe that she is bored and would like some of what she found interesting back.

For me, Dianne has touched on many elements of my position at the time of the banning and the passage of time has not provide anything to alter that view. The tough part of this discussion is in not letting opinions of the ban predominate and thus push aside consideration of other elements presented in her post.

Ironically, I find that self control leads to freedom. Development of my inner ignore button is a skill that has proved useful in most every situation involving people. Imo, silence is underated, underutilized and a most powerful form of communication and control.

I think that's true Coco, and a lot of us including myself have said some mean and slanderous things occasionally on the right threads that get us riled up.

The difference between that and Prokofy's case however is that some of the threads that got us riled up were started by her, and those kinds of threads were pretty much all she does.

People are expected to occasionally have some screaming/insulting moments on controversial or bad threads, maybe even make a few themselves. But when that's pretty much all they do, is when they push into the Troll area.

Prokofy Neva threads never seemed to give any reasonable debate and always seemed to get people riled up, and prokofy continued to make these threads despite getting one locked after another for trolling.

Now you can't ban everyone who says bad things or acts in a way that isn't in the nature of debate or you'd have like 20 people allowed on the forums, but you ban the repeat offenders, which Prokofy is.

I don't think that's true.

You could be right

MJ

Lets just lock Ulrika and Prokofy in a room and the one that comes out walking gets to stay in the forums, theres not room for both of them!