Bring Back Prokofy Neva

hah!

That battle would last for years, none of them would ever conciede to the other's points, though Ulrika is more rational than Prokofy. So I guess it's whoever starves to death first.

I cant go through this point by point,but I will pick up on a these...

I'm thinking worse in the sense that we have a citizen (the only one that I know of out of thousands), walking around with a sort of gag on. I find the whole situation similar to those electronic tags they use in law enforcement. It's like he has a note attached to his shirt, saying "bad man, don't talk to me," and mothers are supposed to gather their children to their skirts as he walks by.

This would not be so bad if he was one of many, but the longer it goes on and it's just him, it just doesn't sit right in my mind.

here I meant that discussions about real world issues were the best, not political science per se. "Meatier" topics that are about economic, political and social realities.

Most of these show up in off-topic.

I gotta agree with Dianne on this. Its not just that Prokofy was banned, its that he was the only one banned. I have seen many others whose conduct rivals anything prokofy ever did, some of it in world and some of it here, and yet those people are not banned. If being personally insulting and divisive is nopt a crime, then why was prokofy banned.

for whoever wants to read comments by prok as a former renter of hers ive never found prok rude mostly helpful and pretty patient and also very knowledgeable just because we dont agree with her doesnt make her opinions bad and if she uses a worthless name like fic cant we just laugh it off?

But Prok was more vicious and personal than the others. Out of all the people I've interacted on the boards, Prok was the only one who made me not want to post. If you have not been the victim of one of his/her campaigns, then you wouldn't understand.

I just have to disagree Prokofy was far from the most vicious and personal some of those people are still posting here.

But this post (and the others you have made on the same thread), are a troll as well.

Prokofy Neva is a male avatar.

Constantly referring to him as "her" is absolutely trolling flamebait, by definition.

It is done simply to incite, and is rude as well. It's not appropriate to speculate on people's RL selves in any significant way, and to *constantly* refer to it in every post is certainly not fair.

I think the people who had entire threads started to malign themselves and their businesses will have a hard time laughing it off. Even worse still are those about whom Prokofy spread incredible and egregious lies, including nonsense about abusing success to track identities and expose personal information.

It's not speculation if one is citing public record.

But have you ever gotten in a debate with her?

And just because Prok's the only person to get banned doesn't mean it's wrong, i'm not even sure if she's the only one to get banned though, it means that the restraints of a forum and the patience of the Lindens until a ban is relatively high and Prok pushed the border over and over until they eventually said "Enough with this".

It's not speculation, it is fact. Infact just by attending SLCC and revealing your true identity you had to agree to this very thing. She is a she. We are talking about the actions of a person on this forum, not a pixel character in world.

Therein lies the difference between a troll and this. A troll would start a whole thread on it simply to attack the person. I am putting my thoughts into a relavantly themed thread, if you didn't want people to reply with their honest thoughts on Prokofy than you shouldn't have made a thread about her.

And no, it's not speculation when i've seen pictures of Prokofy and she has admitted herself that they're her pictures.

My point was that he does bring ideas to the table however.

I just dont think its the same thing as someone posting some inflammatory insult that has no intention of defending it as an idea. It's not the same as posting a picture of a racist charicature, just to witness the ensuing meelee, or taking contrary positions five times a week just to mess with peoples minds.

Prokofy at least starts out from the point of view that it is a debate and has a consistent single point of view regardless of how "out of hand" the debates may or may not get.

I'm not sure what good it would do to let Prokofy back on the boards. Anyone that wants to read her vitrol can go to her blog and argue with her there.

how is it a former forum writer remains one of the most intresting aspects of the forums and we have one of the longest responses if all he did was insult people? people dont like change and prok had/has alot of ideas to change/ shake things up. embrace change and new ideas after all sl is supposed to be a place where ANYTHING can happen, yet we shun others for there ideas? how do we know that all of proks ideas were bad when most were never tryed? there are things that need to be changed and probally will as sl evolves im sure in the future he will be seen as less controversial and more of an advanced thinker when thsi happens will prok still be banned or will others owe him a big apology? im sure proks not perfect and i didnt see the insult and flamewars that were started by him but everyone deserves a second chance.

I actually think that's the problem with Prokofy. She gets one idea in her head and never lets go of it for any reason at all. If you have a person like that then it's not a debate at all, it's just people trying to force their views on one another. I've never seen Prokofy admit that she's wrong for even the smallest reasons, even when i've seen her BE wrong. Atleast the other more reknowned forum trolls here have occasionally admited to being wrong.

I am not disputing the facts.

You are wrong however, this practice is *exactly* a troll.

What I said was "Prokofy Neva the avatar is a male." And he is.

Every person deserves basic respect. It is not fair, not cool, not good etc. to constantly "out" someone or maintain they are somehtign they are not. If you found out that someone was fat in RL, would it be fair to start every post that mentions them with "<insert name> (the fat guy) did or said x?"

It is rude in the extreme. It is also in every post that some people make on the forum about Prokofy. I maintain that the only logical reason for constantly reminding everyone aout it is to make Prok feel uncomfortable. It's a jab at Prok, who of course cannot even respond. How is this fair at all?

There are not a lot of other options to explain people's tendencies to use this kind of phraseology. If it's not meant just to drive Prok nuts, then why refer to him as a her all the time? Are you saying there is something about being female that is relevant to an avatars ideas? That's just sexist nonsense, and offensive in a different way to a whole lot of other people. I cant think of any other excuses why constantly harping on someones RL gender would be okay.

Maybe (as happened to Prokofy), someone should hunt down all your previous internet postings and ramblings and investigate as to what your gender or RL personality/habits etc. are like, and then post them on the forum. Then whatever little thing it is that bothers you the most, I will preface your name with it in every post I write.

Would that be fair?

You know I've been grappling with this. I've been trying hard not to say any gender. But it's funny, the people who say the boards are separate from SL are the same ones to insist that Prok is a guy and should only be spoken of as a guy. I have a guy alt. Should I request everyone refer to me as they guy, even though I have a female alt as well?

It's such a moot point now. Especially since Coco outed her in the Fortune Magazine artlcle.

This is a myth, that prok was banned for her ideas.

She was banned by the way she presents her ideas, and how even though she got her threads locked she'd make another thread on the same subject that'd get locked too.

Let me show you the difference in presentation here as an example:

NORMAL: I think that the [subject] is bad, because [argumenative point], and [argumenative point]. and [argumenative point].

Prokofy: [Subject] is bad and we all know it. [other side debatee] is just a dumbass FIC hang on that gets egged on by his/her friends to do this. [Other side debatee] is so wrong that they're wasting all of our time. [Argumenative point] is so obvious, you're all just too stupid to realize it. [Other side debatee] is a bitch.

**note that, that Prokofy example post was pieced together with quotes and paraphrases from her blog**

Granted many of us can sometimes cross over to the prokofy argumenative way if we get frustrated, but we don't ALWAYS post like that.

The individual in question showed up at an SL conference, stood up in front of the panel, audience, and cameras, and annouced that she was Prokofy Neva. It's hard to avoid assigning one pronoun or the other in English, so the appropriate one seems obvious.

Avatars may have genders, and RL genders may be secret. In this case there's no secret by her own choice. Prokofy is not male.

SL is not a roleplaying game. Your avatar is not a fictional other person. It's you, represented in-world. One can respect anonymity, but after announcing your identity to SLers, one can hardly expect to then make it secret again.

Wheww, I'm so glad you wrote this. I'm April Firefly, but I really want to be a male character. I want to free myself from the evil bonds of womanhood.

So from now on, I want to be Sebastian. I want everyone to address me as he, even when I post as April Firefly.

This is so cool!

You're talking about being female like it's some kind of dirty secret. It'd be hard for me to be sexist against females what with being one, and nobody scoured the net and pulled up the deepest darkest info on prokofy to get her RL gender, she made that clear during SLCC and in Fortune magazine (which I might add, was posted on the forums in celebration by Coco, is she a troll too?).

I haven't seen any indication from her that this annoys her or maybe i'd stop.

you know there is a time when something might meant to be funny or serious that we can all laugh at it maybe disrespect her for the way he presents ideas but dont disrespect the ideas themselves and thats exactly what were doing when he is banned from posting

If you truly believe that, then you should AR these people and go through the proper channels. Don't take away what we fought for just because somene else is doing the same. Believe me, if I thought anyone was as bad as Prok, I would be trying to bring Prok back to what even the playing field. This makes no sense.

The avatar formerly know as April Firefly

Prokofy wasn't banned for ideas. Nobody gets banned from the SL forum for ideas.

Prokofy was banned for relentless personal harrassment and trolling. Period. And it continues still, but not in this forum. I personally don't see any reason to bring that back to the forums.