Bring Back Prokofy Neva

my only comment will be to quote a wise line -


It takes two to tango

The problem with looking through the archives to gauge the nature of a poster's actions is that the posts resulting in warnings, suspensions, and bans are removed by the administrator (as well as quoted references to those posts).

So the Prokofy posts that remain in the archives are actually the ones considered acceptable by Linden Lab.

This is from ONE post on the blog:



This is where I say a giant, big, fat GO FUCK YOURSELF as loudly, and as clearly as I can. This is fascism, and it will not pass.

…go back to your sim, go get a private island, and put your trees and birds and socialist cooperatives on your sim and STFU.

I find that even non-newbies who are bona-fide members of the FIC are raging fucktards

See, this is why negrates were so great -- a negrate often concentrated the mind wonderfully, and got people to get their heads out of their asses and realize their ugly houses of cards etc were not appreciated

…this will require the hard-core FIC giving up their hammerlock on the game's mores and norms

After all, it's the inability of the fuck-you hedonists to cede anything



Plus que ça change, plus que c'est la même chose.

Any such admonishment for Prok's Blog? SLH maybe? Or is SLU only as far as you'll go?

I only posted parts of it to make a point, not channeling his new and upcoming opinions so he channel through me to post on the forums again.

Either way after that misunderstanding, I stand by the point I made alone. Look at those quotes and think about that in the forums again. I doubt he'd be in forums for a month before getting banned again, and with the new forum-ban=SL ban, he'd be banned from SL too.

So really, why not. Bring him back so we don't have to deal with him at all anymore, and even if Prok decided to play it safe and not go on the forums incase he gets instigated, which he would, then there'd be no difference than now and he might as well stay banned.

Keeping Prok banned is best for everyone, Prok can't control himself from trolling, and many don't want to have to suffer his threads and rants.

I'm sorry, did I just hear Aimee Weber calling Prokko FIC?
Aimee, dearest, LL will never ban the Prok. Or Anshe. That would leave hundreds of users homeless and *very* pissed off. Anshe has 90 sims. You can't just remove 10% of SL from the map in one fell swoop!

I am not taking any position here as to the merits of Prokofy's ban. I am, however, taking the poistion that based on the standards set forth in the TOS, and based on the underlying reasons for Prokofy's ban, ther are a number of other posters who should also be banned. Since LL has taken no action towards banning these posters, they should undo the action taken towards prokofy. Ulitmatley I see the forums as a failure to contribute any real discussion about SL, with or without prokofy ther is no reasonable discussion here.

To me the forms are the indy 500 of personal insults and attacks and prokofy got banned for speeding. Right now prokofy has been singled out as the sole shinning example of forum discipline, and its not right. If we are expected to tough out the insults and attacks of some others on a regular basis, then people should also be expected to tough out prokofy's acrimony as well.

That's a good point. Perhaps I should have said "one of the differences" instead of "one of the big differences".

Prokofy is not the only poster banned from the forums who still has in-world access. Should it be undone for all of them?

Let's take a look at what they allow to stand on these forums:

"- go back to nailing yourself to that cross you self absorbed idiot.

Tard."


These forums remind me of a neighborhood bar, with some real big rough, tough guys in it. Guys not afraid to say all the fightin' words they want. (Particularly since they are hiding behind their computers in reality.) Cept there's no bouncer, and no barkeep.


And none of the other patrons even protest. Maybe cause they are scared that big old tough guy will start picking on them next?


Cowards.


Wander into the SL forums, everybody, and people will talk like THAT to you, no matter how nicely you speak.


And not a damn thing will happen.


Not a bloody damn thing.


coco

Wow.. this thread is still open?



Truth!

The answer is to enforce the TOS on the rest, not bring back the most egregious example.

The thing is, you would never say a word when Prokofy would do the very thing you are speaking of. Not a peep out of you - only in response to what others would say.

Which I did not and have never done.

By the way, Ingrid, it funny how that we both decided to switch to red to post our quotes(though I also bolded mine).

coco

No, that's not "the thing is," Cristiano; it's merely the only thing you and Nolan can ever think about!

When I arrived in SL the mob ALREADY had Prok pinned in a corner.

As for what he says in response to others on his own blog, that is of zero concern to me.

What some people are allowed to say to others here, while others are NOT, that pisses me off mightly.

Case in point: Someone tells me repeatedly to stop "injecting" myself into threads and "derailing" them with my opinion.

I finally respond by turning around and inviting HER to go somewhere else instead, and stop messing up MY forums.

For that, I am warned, and can no longer even consider being a volunteer.

coco

P.S. Where are YOU when people speak to me like that I quoted in red above? Some fine gentleman you are.

I would offer this little gedanken experiment.

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It is Monday, 21 November, and the forums are churning with fervor. Somehow (and I won't even speculate as to how) - a revolution of a sort has transpired.

The masses are gathered in the General forum square, arms locked, chanting:

"Bring Back Prokofy! Bring Back Prokofy!"

Slogans in Cyrillic and artful, social realist signature graphics abound. Socialites, industry leaders, philosophers and underworld kingpins alike make tearful speeches begging for Prokofy's return.

Then what?





Whomever makes such serious decisions about individuals - I would hope does not make them based upon the din of the crowd.

Doing so would invite the tyranny of the masses, and trials (or lynchings) based upon popular opinion.


If there was a private plea bargain, or amnesty - those motions might be worthwhile, but! - none of our collective businesses. We are neither executor, nor jury.

It is between Prokofy and Linden Labs at this point, and nobody else, except as a possibly macabre form of entertaining spectacle.

Prokofy was banned at a time when the rules did not provide for a world ban based on a forum ban. I have regulary and frequently stated my opposition to the policy that ties conduct in the forums to conduct in the world. I beleive the rules should be applied to all. If the rules change that Is LL's decision. If someone is banned from the forums now, I suppose LL could decide to not extend the ban to the world.

Well until there is a way to quantify these types of things, I guess there will always be differences in opinion. While I know you disagree, I think Prokofy's infractions were an order of magnitude worse than the next worst forum troll.

No, my point was this. You said Prokofy was banned for actions similar to what others are doing and have not been banned for, thus he should be unbanned. My question to you is should the others also banned for similar infractions (Prokofy is not the only person currently enjoying permanent forum ban, while still having SL access), should it be rescinded for everyone, or just Prokofy?

I have spoken up for you in these forums more than anyone - glad to see that had an impact. I won't bother in the future.

No I never said anything of the kind.

I never said he should be unbanned.

Again - for the third time - I do not advocate for the return of Prok.

coco

This is true. I would agree with you under ordinary circumstances. However the Lindens have shows times and again that the are not willing to enforce the TOS to stop the ongoing personall attacks and sowing of rancor by other memebrs of the forum community. In light of this, Prokofy's ban is meaningless, and ultimately unfair. If we are willing to tolerate the vitriol of other posters, then we should be willing tolerate it from prokofy.

If it didn't stop you from posting, it wasn't anywhere near as severe as Prok's post. And did you AR the post?

Yes, you have. And I apologize for that low blow.

coco

Wow, are you now Jake? Since that is who I quoted and responded to.

Cris was replying to Jake. Not you.