Talented designer permanently banned over extremely shaky charges...

oh so not fair! I'm way too ticklish to win at that

yay!

<@@> OH, that looks good. Post the recipe on the B'Board.

1. Cylinder the forms the aluminium foil outside.
2. Smaller one that is fitted within.

Texture the smaller one with chocolate pie texture, the larger one needs to be textured using foil texture. Make sure to put it on a nice textured table. Use move sun and take photo.

Ahh. Thanks for that info, Maaliyah, if it's accurate that's what I'd been wondering about all along. So it's NOT that she registered using a blacklisted CC number, it was already an active account around when her brother was banned. That should have been a huge warning to her, knowing that she'd signed up under the same info.

It's definitely a blunder on LL's part that it took so long to catch up with her. What I'm itching to know now (and certainly never will) is if she'd purchased any L$ post-ban, without being caught in that transaction. Really the only thing to be upset about is that it took so long for the ban to be enforced that it hit unexpectedly.

So should there be a statue of limitations on bannable offenses? I don't just mean in Kin's case since both sides are at fault, but any event when a ban is declared but not enforced, and the offender doesn't cause any more trouble. Kind of takes an edge off the perma-ban concept, and just changes it to a probation term.

Back to the topic,

Regardless of if her brother was banned in 2004. She has been a contributing member since 2005 without any harm to the community. Tell me if she has been such a trusted member for so long why LL is still banning her? Even if she was her brother (which I highly doubt) - they can look at the status of her account over the past year, and realize she is in no way a harm to society, she should be given a second chance.

And regarding her money, this was USD in her account. LL needs to give this to her, yet it appears they have refused to do so. She has no voice, no way to stand up for herself.

LL needs to spend more time properly banning real greifers rather than such noble members of the community. I am pretty much at a loss for words, I am beyond dissapointed, and extremely fed up with LL right now.

I don't know what makes you think everybody has such short attention spans. That's quite arrogant of you to suggest.

Even when something isn't being talked about anymore doesn't mean people have forgotten it.

On the contrary, these things add up.

coco

Wow, 2005? Well I know LL policy is to not comment on individual cases, but perhaps they could comment more generally?

I know one thing, I certainly wouldn't drop it if access to my US$ was denied as a result of account closure. If that is the case in this instance, I can understand even more so why the OP is upset.

I am far beyond disgusted with LL over this issue. It is best I keep my mouth shut so I don't get myself in trouble.

(It is a sad day when I speak to people about this in world and most FEAR...yes...fear...signing Dazzo's petition to bring Kin back because they fully expect LL to ban anyone that signs it to cover their dirty laundry here. True or not, it shows people's perceptions of LL these days when they come to expect totally unfair treatement and live in fear of it.)

I will say simply that as has been the case the last few months...LL has yet again gotten everything ass backwards and screwed up in a ROYALE way. Fix this now and get Kin back in SL with a full public apology.

I will agree completely with this. But I don't know all of it, had she already been taking out money, or was there a substantial amount of money.. Cause its just guess work..

if it is substantial than yes it would be something that would raise a red flag with me :/

just wanted to quote this.. hehe

@VWBu

As per the blog entry, her L$ had not been converted yet and I believe was in the process of being placed. At this stage the L$ is still worth nothing as per SL TOS.

Had the transaction completed and the US$ account filled, LL would still be able to ban but they will still have to honor the money withdrawal and pay it out if requested.

Important question: Has Keiko done this kind of transaction ever before? Was this a first?

Too many questions, not enough data. No matter which side anyone is on the case it remains that the only people who can straighten the matter out are Keiko and LL. The most we can do is talk about it and advise.

Yes that was what I was trying to point out, all the facts are not there, and the whole thing sounds stupid.. Ppl tend to paint a better picture of themselves ro the ones they know.. that is another concern

What a fucking lame and typical response from you. Instead of trying to improve the situation, just roll over and play dead or leave. Great strategy.

Well, I guess things like this might be the reason why SL forums will be closed.

So bad things about LL don't get public.

well, i think that would work only if it was like whistle blowing.. but honestly only a mass exdous well get the attention of Second life.. cause when it comes down to it.. there is only one thing they ultimately care about.. the bottom dollar.. its the way of business

As angry as I might be at times at LL, they have never shown themselves to only care about the bottom dollar. They have, in the past, reversed decisions and avoiding doing some planned changes based upon feedback - some of it loud, some of it not. They have often shown themselves willing to listen. I agree that just saying "YOU SUCK WHY IS THERE SO MUCH LAG ZOMG GIVE ME MONEY" is not a strategy to pursue, and I get tired of seeing that myself.

However, people do have valid concerns and interest in SL. For some, it is casual, for others they are quite deeply involved - creatively, emotionally, and financially, so the concerns do become more important to them. When those concerns are ignored, people do tend to get angry and disillusioned (for example, rampant content theft). I am concerned that Linden Lab is cutting off a major channel for feedback to them as a way to silence dissent.

Well do you think it would be more productive to hash out a solution? It seems, i know I am guilty of this, is pointing out the problem and demaning a resoultion but not taking the time to figure the solution...

I know I'm drifting off topic here but a couple of comments:



Value - the monetary worth of a thing; marketabel price; estimated or assesses worth. - Barron's Law Dictionary

I still boggle at people saying that the Linden has no value. Even Linden Labs admits it has value, look at the Second Life front page.



You know, I can't find any defintion, law or constitutional amendment that says Linden Labs is the final arbitrator of value in the United States.



Yep, it sure says that. How you conclude that means the Linden has no value I cannot fathom. It just means that LL will not redeem Lindens. Certainly, the person who just bought L$25,000 from me thinks the Linden has value. And that very belief really is the defintion of value.

Microsoft won't redeem my shares of Microsoft stock I own either, does that mean my shares have 'no value'?

I agree criticism without a solution proposed is often meaningless (though sometimes, the solutions are patently obvious and out of our control - for example, 'don't break stuff that is already working and doesn't need to be modified' is pretty straightforward.) There is also a need though for people to vent their frustrations - venting alone is not productive, but it can be a step toward finding a solution as well. There is also a point at which you shouldn't have to figure out the solution for someone, that is their responsibility. For example, inventory loss - we can complain about losing items, but there is not a damn thing we can do to solve the problem, only LL can - and only they can come up with the technical solutions to fix those problems. The same with lag, packet loss, slow rendering, etc - a lot of that is solely in their hands, we just have to suffer through it.

I think Cristiano is right, and I have faith that LL will make good in this case, if indeed the case is as it seems. They aren't unwilling to work with players on things like this.

And there's nothing wrong with people loudly bring a case to their attention, either.

coco

Oh, I agree with you, that they do have a responsibility to their product.
I just feel one must act appropriately and with dignity when demanding something of someone.. :/

When someone acts like a petulant child it erases any credibility that they might have had.. and unfortunately those ppl will stand out among the reasonable ones and do harm for the "cause"....









thats about all the seriousness i have in me today ppl...

Actually Zoe, i was absolutely surprised to see how many people IMd me online and told me "omg! why did you post about it? You'll be banned!" Or a similar variation on the same theme.
As much as i absolutely doubt LL will take any disciplinary action over this, i find it extremely sad that they brought people into having this partly exaggerated perception of absolutely unfair treatment.

In any case, despite the usual couple trolls that can never shut up and made of devils advocating an art, i'm glad to see so many people speaking up for Kin. Makes me feel that there IS hope for this community.

No her L$ had been converted - from what her partner said. Plus - L$ sales are almost instant, and account info is not checked during this process. She was trying to transfer her USD to PayPal, which is when it was discovered that a related account had been banned 2 years prior.

What was the ammount of money?