Talented designer permanently banned over extremely shaky charges...

hehe.. ack sorry for being vague

I meant the person this thread is about.

hahah! after I got all personal.

My understanding is yes, it did happen as she tried to cash out.

Well it's hard to assume that it was a credit card being cross checked (since LL offers no option to pay to your CC....but wouldn't that be nice!) but rather her paypal account that she requested to have her money withdrawn to. At least, that's what I read in one of these posts about some odd pages ago.

I understand what she is getting at. It is really hard to compare SL to the real world because the situations are not parallel. LL has this TOS that says essentialy that they not responsible at all for anything (including the outright theft of rightfully earned money). Thay have and continue to be horribly inconsistent with thier punishments, totally unconcerned about the content creator experience and all together unresponsive to issues in the community. Looking at thier history they appear to be whimsically managed and wholly unprepared to handle the tremendous job of maintaining a community of such magnitude and the myriad issues that have arisen due to that growth. They seem to have forgotten what thier usebase is....people.
Understanging that they are doing a really difficult job. It really is sad, I have been in SL now for over three years and I have watched SL go through some major changes, some goodm some debatable, and the current issues have been by far the worst, I have never seen the people of SL in general so upset, I hope management takes notice of these problems and realises where the problem is. Though based on thier actions, I am willing to bet they dont, look at the removal of the forums, the forums are not the problem, the people are unhappy, that is the problem, why might they be unhappy? Geeee, I wonder. Sometimes I wonder if a large company like googke or sony buying SL might not be a bad thing, it may save SL from the Lindens. But that is just my relatively uninformed 2 cents.

After Lindens closed my lifetime account for an overdue bill (!?!), I just signed up for a free one. Never again will my money grace the Linden coffers.

The chances of someone in the same house having the same ip address after two years is tiny. I strongly doubt the ip was checked at all. Wasn't an ip or unique id ban, it was an account disable.

That sure sounds screwy. But are you sure you didn't accidentally use more tier than you get from the lifetime account?

I also would like to point out that ip crosschecking is extremely faulty.
There are several cable companies (for instance one in Italy called fastweb) that use shared IP, meaning that ALL the people in the same block will result having the same ip. This way, if someone got banned, all the people in his block would result having the same ip and will be banned as well.

IMO this is worse then ANYTHING paypal has ever done. Linden Lab has cheated one of their valued customers out of a lot of money. This is definatly not looking good for them. I will sign this petition. I will make sure Linden Lab doesn't forget this.

I am EXTREMELY offended that you use MY INTERVIEW WITH KIN to spread nastyness. Even tho you were not rude and just emitted a small opinion, I take this very at heart. Especially at the moment. See, many people have many brothers and sisters who plaid with them years ago while they had alts. So won't you shush? This was pointless, and ALMOST and accusation. I have many alts for many different reasons, and I switch from one to another whenever I get bored. Am I guilty????
This is *exactly* and *only* what was said in that part of the interview. Please note it is NOT written that she had all these alts at the same time but actually one after another, on a 2 years timelenght, because she got bored before actually discovering she liked to make hair .

Besides, the whole point of this thread was just to say, GIVE HER HER MONEY AT LEAST!
And you know what? UPDATE, THEY DID GIVE KIN HER $$$$ CONGRATS KIN and well thanks LL altho we're mad at your acts

Now all we need is to ger HER back. For that, make sure you IM Dazzo Street to sign the petition. To Dale and Cow, you guys are playing devil's advocate and bringing this thread SOOO downhill with your negativity, and implying stuff you have soooo no idea about.
Saying stuff like how "MY BRO DID IT" is a lame excuse, when THAT IS NOT EVEN THE CASE HERE, and how like "$L IS WORTH NADA, READ THE TOS" when we're talking USD HERE. Get informed before BS-ing the world. It's so pleasant to see that when tons of people stand up and get together to speak and protest and ask for fairness, some really really need to stick their smelly mouth and just play with the sad crowd and troll over and over. HI5.
Thanks.

Well something good came out of this.. Cause in all honestly she did deserve the money.. And it did seem a bit hokie that they decided to ban that account when they were trying to get their money... But than one never knows..

So where do i get upgraded so I can know everything?!?!
/shakes fist

This is at least one act of good will from LL, wich i'm glad to hear about. But it's far from perfect. Kin definately needs to be allowed back in world.

For those that think my comment about 'people who create content' is a request for unequal justice, please ignore that part.

Or let me rephrase it. Should those people that invest in Second Life by storing accumulated wealth in Lindens and other virtual assets be punished *more* for the same 'crime' than those that do not invest in Second Life?

I'm arguing for equity here, not inequity.

In general, what I'm concerned about is fairness and equity, things that encourage a robust economy and ethical behavior. I'm not arguing about LL's legal rights that are based on the TOS. The two definitely are not the same thing (although they could be).

Hehe <3 You can read PXP, or IM Dazzo Street. Or maybe Iris Ophelia or even myself.

Damn straight! I hadn't even thought of that!!!

Now that you mention it, we now have a situation where those of us who gave cc info are at risk of bannination (through automated processes, for instance) while those who aren't - aren't!

Seems to me like every punishment that is predicated in any way on CC numbers, tying one person to another through credit card, for instance, should be COMPLETELY TOSSED OUT THE WINDOW.

Because what we have with it is a form of punishment that applies only to some. And in general, that some is actually the more committed of residents, who actually pay SL money!!!

coco

kk will do

Ahhh.. So using an IP ban in an international setting is not effcient and could even be construde as biased?

That is something I truly hope the Lindens are aware of :/

well... I said to myself that I wasnt going to reply to this thread because I honestly feel that whenever I open my mouth, I get myself into worlds of trouble (I'm talented in that regard).

But... Someone nailed the head on the nail (nail on the head for you wordophiles).

This issue here is simple.
They can punish some of us (most of you) because we gave them detailed account information.

New people can make new accounts and be EXEMPT from this form of punishment.
So where is the justification? "Oh well the TOS says that LL can ban multiple accounts according to..."

Blah blah blah! Shove that. They can ban US, not newbies, US.
So how is this enforcement protocol an effective measure now? How is it justified?
Ban someone, they make a new account. That account is then exempt from the old enforcement policy. BRILLIANT! All that serves to do is mildly inconvenience real griefers and DESTROY the innocent. Thats all.

Still think its cool? You may... but I dont.


Some of you have asked about the agenda included on the petition I offer.
It simply reads "Unban Kin Keiko"
Feel free to IM me to have your name added.
IMO if we stand together on this one, maybe we can get something changed.

If you have any other questions about this whole debacle, IM me and I'll do the best I can to answer your concerns.

And thank you very very much to those who have supported kin. I've given her every message you have asked me to tell her and will continue to do so.

yay! I'm so glad to hear Kin got her money at least. Thank you LL for being reasonable on that point. Now UNBAN KIN!!

I am very glad to hear she got her money. I too would still very much like to see her unbanned and her account restored to her.

Oh please, let's check the drama, k? It was not nastiness. It just cast doubts on the situation to me.





Listen, a word of advice from one writer to another: If you're going to write stories, get used to people reading them, interpreting them and discussing them. Just be flattered that it was read.

Oh please. Tone down the drama some, OK?

A word of advice, one writer to another: Don't write for public consumption if you can't stand the thought of someone reading your work, digesting it, interpreting it and then drawing their own conclusions.

What you wrote told me that she had been on for two years on various alts. That coincided with the brother incident. And it made me wonder. It's a legitimate question.



Point of irony -- I had to delete my first version of this post because I didn't realize that a family member had last been logged into the forums and I was writing under their name. So, yeah, I'm completely familiar with alts.



Good lord. Can't you tolerate a difference of opinion?

Look, half the time we weren't even talking about your friend. We were talking about the TOS in general. And doing so civilly, might I add.

To clarify: I never said it was "cool." But fact of the matter is, that's the way it is.

A company is under no obligation to change its rules to suit the customer. The customer might really like them to. The company might be wise to do it. But there's no obligation.

So, with that in mind, I say again: Know your risk. LL is up front with the risk you take when you opt to make SL your business. Know the risk and then decide if it's one you want to take or not.

whew, good thing i wasnt referring to your post... or I'd have been HAD

OK, good thing then.