Talented designer permanently banned over extremely shaky charges...

Can't LL do ANYTHING right anymore? Or is there a new Linden working there? Hitler Linden maybe?

Lorelei:

It's the simple fact that it is that way that infuriates us.
All you did was point out that fact.

I'm not debating the way it is, I'm debating the way it ought to be.
If people think it cant be changed, then chillax (to quote spock)
cuz it can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBXal1GAA4A&NR

LOL


Good luck and have fun storming the castle

Yeah, easier said than done and this is where LL has us by the balls. If I sit back and think about leaving SL, whats the first thing that comes to my mind? The people I have come to know and love and talk to and hang out with every day in SL. Sure, there's Yahoo, email, etc to keep in touch if SL were to poof, but its just NOT the same.

How many alts? you do know LL ban people with too many alts until they find out wich to use?
Also if you get bored char after char what makes you think a new one would help?
It's no offense a bit fishy or imature to keep making chars if you get bored. Specially since this aint a grinding game like so many others.
theres no flavor of the month char

She had three previous accounts. None of which were offenders and none of which are your concern. Keep stuffing your nose down holes. I'm sure you'll unearth a truffle.

and as far as "immature" goes, are you the king of matusylvania?
huh? are you from maturchusetts? are you SO GD COOL that you never ever ever change your mind? or have fun? or alter your programming?

If so then I would weep for you if I gave a rat's ass about a troll like you

Go back to the WoW forums to shit on people's reputations. We dont want it here. You're the fool who's immature and fishy. Chump.

<.<

just a note kin would absolutely kill me if she saw what i said there LOL

I expected and understand this question...I think the point is that there should be a clear difference between someone who is a respected content creator and contributor as opposed to a typical jackass "griefer" who just returns as alt after alt.

What Kin was creating certainly wasn't some half-assed way to make a quick buck. If you have seen her hair you will know that a lot of time and effort has been put into her creations.

Face the facts...your everyday griefer is NOT going to put time and effort into anything but being a an asshat. And yes, there are exceptions to every rule, to play devil's advocate for a moment, but chances are that even IF Kin was the same person as this "banned brother from 2004", it's been 2 years...check her record, people can grow up a lot in 2 years. If it was an automated ban due to the account info, ok, then LL needs to correct it (I still have further to read due to rl job, so hope my post doesn't seem too redundant or irrelevent.)

This is a form of blackballing no matter how you look at it. A similar thing happened to me in RL with an establishment that i rented videos from. My mother and father ran up past due bill or two on theirs account there..just so happens, I had an account there as well..which was still clean slate. BUT to my dismay.. I went to rent a video one day and come to find out, they put my account on hold due to my mom and dad's account having past due late fees. I told them I carry my own account and I rent my own vids. Hell I don't even accociate with them..thats another story tho. But anyway, I called an attourney friend of mine and she said yes, that that was a form of blackballing and could prove to be a good case should I decide to press those type of charges. I declined having my attourney friend write them a letter personally notifying them of the possible charges that could be filed. Needless to say a day later, my account was released from the hold and i was once again free to ren there with an apology as well. This is still the same situation as what i went through and I think it would be held accountable..just my two cents. I also loved those hair designs..I sent alot of women there to get them.

We share cards for over 10 years now...and guess what..none of us blew any money from others at a mall or elsewhere. Are we just lucky? Or are we just people to who friendship and trust means something still nowadays?

It looks as if I personally only have to be concerned about shared CC's in a friggin pixel world! And to top it off, three of us are in the same house on the same network with 4-5 different computers, all with SL accounts and 3 alts (paying info used) each. Now what? Double fucked?

Oh wait...it's getting worse! A few of us travel between Germany and the US. We use the internet providers of friends and family for our notebooks alot when travelling. At least 2 of them have an SL account too, more might join, a few with teenage kids. Now one of the kids...... ummm... nah I won't go on with a possible ban story here. You might get the idea tho?

So given the current ban policies of LL, a bunch of harmless people could face a ban because of shared CC and IP #'s. Tough task for LL to find a way to avoid that the wrong people get caught in the ban net. I guess for now they have to invest and decide each individual case. What a waste of time.



Well that's a newsflash! ...agreed tho!

Why does this make sence these days...........Because LLabs is black balling people at time for no real reason but at times seem without any merit or etc......

The lack of commucation and or members in this team seem to be the reasoning behind this.......I miss the old days where people were treated fair and not in a unfairly.......

Ok, I'm glad that you clarified that a designer has no more rights than I do and we both would be considered equally when LL or the community makes any decisions whats so ever...........

I have actually seen her hair.. I am a shopper, I am one of the many ppl that support the creaters.. You know that saying without the buyer or the admirer, you have nothing..


There are no facts that I must face. I do realize that someone that is a "griefer" GENERALLY does not put time and effort to many things. But once again that is only an assumption. And personlly I would lean that way myself, to a point...
I completely agree with you about the two years with a clean record if she was that person previously that got banned that should have been a factor, but it was an auto response set up by sl... I in no way said she should have been banned.

But, realize this many of you DEMANDED stricter banning guidelines. As someone pointed out if x= y than bann. And simply that is what happened.. I personally doubt that the Lindens had it out for this person.. I think they got between a rock and a hardplace and the system just did it automatically as it was set up to do.

The problem I would have would simply be if the Lindens did not see the mistake when it was BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION and it was not resolved. But everything does take time, to expect instant results is demanding something of someone you would not give nor would I.

I understand being upset and a bit riled up over it.. Definitely, I probably would be if I knew the person. I would also realize I can't know completely all the facts.

Heck I think the only reason we have griefers is because they are bored...

I'm feeling a little spunky at the moment so here is my dig tonight.. (not to the poster themselve, at leat i think not) This is to all the asses (I didn't bother to catch their names they are just asses to me atm) that felt the need to talk shit to people that brought up reasonable doubts... You are an ass..

DISCLAIMER: I do not know how to bold so I just did it in all caps..

I think that is because of the population growth, with more ppl they are unable to give the special attention needed to its customers..

This thread is effectively dead.

BTW: Just how much in both Lindens &/or USD did Kin have in her account at the time?

I think that has been asked, but no one has answered

I'm glad she got her money at least.

I was here reading the forums all through the demands for some kind of enforcement and accountability and I just want to say that at no time did anyone "demand" LL to start retroactively searching verified accounts for some incident that happened years ago, and neither did anyone suggest that any system be used for such a pointless and unfair witchunt. This "you asked for it, you got it" is BS. When I can ask for a drink do I have to specify that I don't want it thrown in my face?

As it has been said, at a time when the grid was being flooded with griefers on unverified alts, the idea that someone who was actually signed up with a credit card and a real account for years would be the focus for LL instead of those causing the real trouble isn't our damn fault, it's theirs.

And if the reason is a two year-old incident, then it was her family account that was being punished, not her computer, since it wasn't being "traced" until just recently. So, in effect, she was punished for being stupid enough to actually sign up with a real account.

/rant

Well said, Io.

coco

When she first started her SL access, it should have been caught.

While I am really curious, and sometimes ask myself too, it is NOT of our damn businesses, really. It was probably a good great bunch anyways because her store has been blogged all around town and was really, really famous, but yeah... Once again, noone has to know.

Oh and btw, Lorelei, I chose not to reply to you, because your reply to me was full of anger and there is no point. I was and still am here to talk about KIN. Oh and also because a big girl with a big gun in her RL profile pic scares me O.o! Haha XD. Thanks.

I was wondering because LL has touted SL as a viable "alternative economy" and a place for people to make RL incomes. They even run a currency exchange (which are supposed to be regulated by the Feds, last I heard. If they are promoting their network as a source of income, then they steal someone's income -- which was, if I understand the story, earmarked to pay for her college expenses -- then I think it would be of interest to the SL public who ALSO HAVE INCOMES AND MONEY AT RISK OF UNWARRANTED APPROPRIATION.

Well for once, dear, I agree with you, wow! Haha.

Anyways, yes, they actually paid her back so I am won't go on and on about how they say this but do that, but yep. When they try to tell the world on how "you can make a real income in SL" is pretty much like DUH when they do something like this... Well, until they changed their minds, of course.

*snort* the pic is a joke.

And no, I wasn't angry at all. But thanks for trying. And thanks for caring enough to look up my profile!

No one really wants to hear guesses. On page 3 it will turn into fact and on page 50 people will be wanting to linch someone becuase of a guess.