Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???

A) Second life is run by a company, not a government, they can allow or not allow anything they like. Fortunately sometimes they listen to their customers and try to be as "government" as possible...sometimes.

B) I really would like to see you write here your definition of real life (not SL) ageplay. I would say don't google it, but maybe you should first because your impression seems to be a bit off.

C) Ageplay (real life) is not against the law, in fact it is a recognized fetish akin to say a foot fetish or domination/submission.

D) The laws in california on child pornography are not applied to ageplay as the law recognizes that there are no actual children involved. It is against the law in the state of california (I live there) to create or distribute sexually explicit images of either actual children or of digital images that are indistinguishable from those of actual children. In other words if you can look at a second life avatar and not be able to tell the difference between that and a picture of a real child, THEN and only then would it be illegal.

I can not give you google links to this information in point D as I got it from my cousin who is a police officer in the state of california.

Considering I was one of those children, I'll call bullshit on your remark.

I also think you have a problem realizing that a child AV is a COSTUME, in the same sense that any costume in RL is such. Taking on the apperance of a 4 foot tall shirley temple clone in SL carries no more weight than an adult woman (or man) in a similar costume that fits their RL body.

Having sliders to alter height and facial form does not make an adult any more an actual child in SL than a pair of maryjanes and nappies would in RL.

It's a harmless fetish, and so completely different than being molested that I have to wonder about your sanity.

Avatars aren't real, hon. I'm sorry to break it to you --but they aren't.

I can, if they came to where you were shopping, or into your home and did it, or something along those lines. Otherwise, NO.

Its a personal preference wether it is offensive or not. I stated that if you bothered to read. It may be offensive but there are so many vast differences between what you stated and role play its not even funny. Roleplaying isnt hurting anyone (ageplay) it doesnt involve children its not child pornography and it doesnt involve pedopehelia or child molestation. The KKK on the other had seek out to defame and hurt people of different skin color faith, race, sexual preference or what have you hurting and targeting groups. Thats not a personal preference to be offended as they are often phsycially hurting people. Roleplay/ageplay isnt hurting anyone in real lfie nor in SL.

As i stated thats a personal preference and it was already deamed legal by the lindens several times and it is deemed legal by law if you bothered to read it without skewing it with morals. It stated that it has to be a real human being. And an avatar is far from a real human being or the image of a real under age human being. I can see how it can be offensive to some people but that doesnt make it a bannable offense. I could say your name is offensive to me there for should you be banned for it. thats my preference under your logic you should be banned then because your name disgusts me.

You have to pick and choose they pick and choose what is wrong/right in real life otherwise we'd all be living in plastic bubbles with no human contact what so ever and pro creation would never happen. Also if it was on my property i'd take offense if it is on their property thats their choice and none of your business. But that applies to all sex in SL i dont want it in front of me in my home.

Offensive? Sure. But there's right to go through life unoffended.

that 1000 dollar bet still stands. you lied to the community.

One could also argue that the KKK or any other racist groups in SL are not truely hurting real life people thus it being okay since the main arguement with ageplay is that no real children are involved.

Personally, I think the only offensive thing about this is the presumed correlation between the molestation of -children- and two consenting -adults- acting out the fantasies of one or both in a safe and (generally) open environment.

I find that to be incredibly offensive on a lot of levels, but I doubt that people will stop making the connection.

But they are hurting real people emotianally if they are acting as KKK they are still acting out racism and they are hurting people mabye not physically but they are emotinally and verbally abusing them. So that argument you brougth up there is completely moot.

I am so making an Ilsa She-Wolf of the SS kiddie avatar.

then who's to say that people who have suffered traumatic experiences regarding molestation aren't being emotionally hurt playing this game?

You can say well they don't have to see it or go to that sim and avoid it but the same thing can be said about the racist sim.

Taco, provide proof that you have one thousand dollars to toss to me and I'll provide proof. Show me your bank statement.

you won that one because it made me laugh.

You seem to be ignoring comments from those of us who prove this statement false, but I'll re-iterate it just in case you do read it as you skim past:

I can't speak for everyone, but I for one am not offended by age play in -any- way, shape or form. It has nothing to do with what happened to me as a child.

Plus, I doubt KKK and Nazi groups in SL would stick to their own places. It's part of their methodology to be very public with their views. Ageplay sex participants hardly strike me as the type to organise marches and call for the destruction or deportation of entire races of people.

Damien, your KKK and Nazi analogies are so flawed it's ridiculous.

Really, get a grip, and REALLY take a psyche class or two if you're going to try and pass yourself off as one. Your critical thinking skills are severely limited bud.

That is just you.

Thanks for pointing that out. I had no idea.

My point is, you made a blanket statement regarding sexual abuse as children earlier and I responded to it as one of those children. You can't presume to know how any of us will react to prove a moot point.

It doesn't work that way.

The difference here is it has nothing to do with pedophelia or molestation. The people that suffered traumatic experiences wount even find age play unless they are looking for it or snooping around. These people are not out in public area's doing this. Racism is a bit different and that may be true that they can leave the sim but if the KKK people are in teh game whose to say the wont pester the person? Sure they can mute them but then they could make an alt and keep pestering them.

The point is that people dont RP kkk members. You dont play your racist no one in the right state of mind would. People do role play that they are children however. And an age player isnt going to pester someone unlike a racists person would.

Alright based on the laws of what is banworthy in Second Life

Who would get banned first?

An adult having sex with a child in public

or

Nazi groups ordering the death and destruction of races in public?

And everyone else on this thread who has come out as having been abused.

People who have actually been through the real trauma can see the difference quite clearly.
Frankly your abusive tone and bullying manner remind me far more of my abuser --and you are starting to set off my triggers.

Now climb the fuck off.

Speaking for myself; me.

Racist sims are not allowed. LL will remove KKK and Nazi imagery. I read up on it in these forums, you should too.

Obviously the Lindens, like most LUCID people, do not equate ageplay avsex to hate groups.

Amen, Kendra.

I find the comments made by you, Damien, to be incredibly insensitive, off-base, and completely and plainly wrong.

Equating? They are two different things however both offensive content that aren't deemed appropriate in rl societies true or false?

Racist sims are not allowed however ageplay sims are allowed with a shushed type of mind your own business approach.

Many people were abused as children that are speaking out in defense of ageplay. I was as well very badly. I was adopted at the age of 5 because of it and yet my view still stands. I will honestly point out the abuse i have been thru.I was sexually abused as a child, i was also locked in an attic for a year and only given bread and water to eat. When I was found i was very skinny and pale and mal nourished as was my brother who they locked up with me who was an infant at the time. They would phsyically abuse me and other things. I was taken into fosture care and adopted and i have a great family. I still protect the rights of age players having been thru that because i can make a distinction. I'd go into more detail but i think that is more then enough.

Go find me an age play sim. Honestly. They are very small about it. They arnt public about it in the least. They do it in the privacy on their own land and if there is public land for it that is still their business not yours. Just dont bother with it. Racists sims and racists are public about their views not quite and personal about them.

I apologize. The truth be told though is that you may not find it offensive as someone who has dealt with that type of experience while it may trigger others.

In real life we already have issues regarding justice and molestation. In SL, we have issues regarding accepting one form of offensive content with open arms, another offensive content as banworthy all while Second Life claims to be tolerant for example from the cnet article discussing ageplay

"We've tried very, very hard not to broadly ban role-playing type behaviors," Harper said, "because when all is said and done, the ability to try new behaviors and try new things out is a big reason people are in virtual worlds."

http://news.com.com/Phony+kids,+virtual+sex/2100-1043_3-6060132.html

It's interesting and covers all angles.