Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???

I'm starting to wonder.



I've read every post on this sorry thread. I even made many of them, myself.



In all honesty, I don't even begin to see how this relates.

Either, a) you seem to be saying that a victim brings on a crime by how they behave, or
b) no, forget it. I don't get your point at all here.



Hey, want a really scary thought? Remember when you were in your car last, and you pulled up to the red light, and you looked at the driver next to you? He may have been a pedophile. The guy who took your money at the turnpike toolboth? He may have been a pedophile.

It's like The Sixth Sense... They're everywhere. And banning interaction between tow adults in SL won't do anything to stop it.

What are you going to do? Truth serum and lie detector tests, and whoever doesn't pass it gets a free lobotomy?



What the fuck ever.

I've already mentioned the difference along with others. all this thread is now is just arguements in circles.

To summarize this thread

I think ageplay and child avatar sex sucks!

You think it rules!

End of discussion.

I have made my point several times. And thats the typical response from someone that has no argument, or rational common sense reasoning.

"What the fuck ever" is perfect. Thanks!
"Your the one that needs help" is coming in a close second.

You'll find that not all child molesters are pedophiles... in fact studies have shown that pedophiles are generally disgusted by child molesters.


Oh, and so you know... I was molested as a child by someone who is neither a pedophile or an ageplayer. Your witch hunt would not have protected me, nor anyone who I know IRL who has been molested.

It sounds as though you wish that children of those you disagree with get molested so that then they might agree with you. That is pathetic and well deserving of a great "what the fuck ever."

The Pot calling the kettle black.

Ok Mondo? This is a good example of a straw man, which we were talking about before:


"If I had a child,
a child molester moved in next door ,
let's say someone who enjoyed having sex with avatar children,..."


What's he's done here is equate "RL child molester" with "person who has virtual sex with an adult who's also having virutal sex",

that's the Straw man.

Then he can say "would you allow that person to babysit your children?"

So he can knock the straw man down by trying indicating "now, are you for a RL childmolester watching your kids? No? Then that other guy is just as bad!"

Does that help make sense of the term?

No... you've mentioned what you *think* is the difference...

But since you admitted that you haven't talked to ageplayers, that SL Ageplay isn't covered in your training and that you wonder what goes through their minds when they ageplay, I find it very hard to believe that you *know* what the difference is, if any...
I'd summerize it thus:

You think ageplay sucks, even when you don't understand it... you think child av sex sucks, even though it's part of ageplay and you don't understand it.

I think it's none of my business what two consenting adults get up to in private.

Truely, the end of your part in this discussion...

Do you even understand the distinction between pedophile and child molestor?

I'd rather have people doing that on their OWN land then seeing them do that in public sims and on top of that i even prefer them doing that stuff in SL then in RL.

Live and let live. Yes it is sickening and yes i would prefer not to see any of that shit but fact of the matter is that some people are simply not normal so if this prevents them from doing that kind of shit to real childeren i don't think its worth it.

Yeah, thats what I want..... yeah... mhmmm...

Jesus Christ woman! Your mind is fucked!

"What the fuck ever"... Hey that felt good!

It's not different. Ageplay in SL is exactly the same as in RL.

No one at all said it rules damien not a single person. I have said myself i dont like it and wouldnt get involved in it myself but i respect the two adults rights to role play a fantasy. Its no different then real life role play except the fact that the person can make themself look more like a child here that is the ONLY difference between the two and you can argue that there are more all you want but my point still remains. They have a right to do it and you wont see a pedophile acting out their fantasies on a person pretending to be a child. Any Pshychologist or therapist or anyone in the field of dealing with people's problems could tell you that. They target CHILDREN some 13 years of age or under by defination of prepubscence which are the people a pedophile acting on their feelings would target.

How many guys wanted to bang Britney Spears before she hit 18. The olsen twins are another example alot of celebrities. Its just thoughts and if you have fantasies or have your gf or whoever act them out its not hurting anyone. Learn what age play is seriously you have shown that you know nothing about the culture at all. Its to act out a fantasy of being daddies little girl or whatever. From a psychological stand point a psychologist would tell you this can often be an issue when someone was molested as a child and didnt get to live a normal child hood. They sometimes may want to act it out sexually but for the most part they revert to acting like a child.

Also another point is that many people that age-play in the sexual nature in real life and in SL are people that are against pedophelia. They dont like pedophelia and they dont think its right. Yet you judge them as pedophiles simply for acting out their fantasies with another adult.

Man cannot judge one another lest ye be judged yourself. How about we pull out all your little fetishes or thoughts and start calling you whatever hmmm? You have done nothing but libel and slander what age play is about.

I have dealt with this issue in RL. I don't think you can or should judge peoples private motives. Yes, there are pedophiles in SL. They are everywhere! Are they the ones doing the ageplay? Maybe.. maybe not.

There are other reasons for ageplay. Many of the people may be victims... working through thier sexual feelings being mixed up with child feelings could benefit them. Many might just like the feeling of innocence and play that a child avatar gives them and want to take that emotion in a sexual direction.

I don't care thier motives. They are not hurting anyone in the privacy of thier own SL corners. I am the first person who would raise holy hell if I though any true child was being harmed.

Until you are annointed a Saint I don't anyone has any business judging what consenting adults do.

Plus believe it or not there are even scarier things out in SL then ageplay, goreans, and furries. There are things that are even past my boundaries. I however am not going to drag them out onto the forums and make judgements. I will just walk away and realize there is probably something there I am just not getting.

Once more, do you even understand the distinction between a pedophile and a child molestor?

Sure. I havent been following Damien though.

*wipes cola of his monitor and keyboard*
classic

I'm so glad I added these 3 ignorant fools to my ignore list already.. I do see/read the reactions of others like you on them and laugh.

Just forget about them. As you said (and I said it before): they are close minded. Their opinion is the only right opinion. Everyone else is a criminal.

Sounds like the Spanish Inquisition, the Catholic Church a few centuries back, or even Aristotle (I think it was) who was declared a criminal/enemy of the Church for stating the Earth was Round and not Flat.

More than one poster now has suggested that it is foolish for a person who is attracted to children to engage in RP activities involving child characters (or at least SL sex involving child avs) on the grounds that this will somehow encourage them to molest a child in real life. The idea is that such RP will nurture desires for inappropriate contact with children and somehow stoke te fire, creating a child molester.

Now, there are many types of people who are attracted to children. There are many types of people who end up sexually abusing children. I can't speak for everyone, nor do I have the faintest desire to. But I can try to tell you what I think I've observed in me, which seems to line up with some other similar people I have talked to.

Attraction to children (for some of us, at least) isn't something that you can just ignore and it will go away. Denying it won't stop the fuel and it just die. Just like a gay man can't just ignore it and become straight. Just like a straight woman can't just ignore it and become a lesbian. And if a person does try, the opposite danger exists: bottled up as ignored, that the desire will compond and compound. A person like me isn't going to just become a real person if they ignore it or don't admit it.

But again, don't presume this is leading to molestation of a child. There are a lot of people out there who live their lives attracted to children but never misbehave with them. Society has the misfortune of getting its data on pedophiles (I'm using this in the sense I talked about before, as defined by the American Heritage dictionary) for the most part from those who have been caught abusing children. Such people are sociopaths, and not going to be representitive of pedophiles as a whole. I'm not sure what pedophiles as a whole group look like, but I know that seems like a scewed sample. What if we tried to get our idea of straight male sexuality by observing men who raped women? That would be absurd! I'm not saying the groups are completely comparable, but I think there is a definate parallel there.

Bryan, I'd like to talk more about this with you, if you're willing. If you are, please send me an IM whenever the grid gets back up. If not, I understand

I think you make alot of sense. They are basing it on the entire group for what a few people in a group might do. There is the parallel there. There is a parallel with it with judging an entire group for something a few people do. I know the difference between a pedophile and a child molester. And Age-Play has its reasons in r/l which often translate over into acting out in SL because alot of people are afraid to act out their fantasies in real life. The D/S community in SL for instance i garuntee you most of them wouldnt be doing this stuff in real life.

But according to some people's logic here they would. Sadly. If you keep judging the entire group for what a couple of twits in the group then really how much of a better person are you then they are? (note only some of this directed to bryan the rest wasnt and was general)

I will bet you $1000 US that you are not a licensed psychotherapist from an accredited advisory board, and I will seriously pay you that if you can prove you are, if you'll pay me that if you can't. In?

I guarantee you, my children will be given "the TALK" about the internet, and know what kind of problems there are out there, and I will guarantee you that they will know the safe way of meeting people they don't know.

Really, are you that careless of a parent that you wouldn't tell your children about things?

What you are basically asking is for my personal real life information which I don't provide to anyone online.

Who would actually fall for that one? I'm not that insecure to feel the need to prove myself to you or the other people who are highly annoyed and defensive on this issue either because they are scared of SL turning into real life, they feel their SL lifestyle will be targetted next or they are apart of an ageplay community and feel threatened by the apparent minority in this thread that don't agree with it.

Get over it. I don't agree with ageplay. I know real life children that have been harmed and I find it sickening that anyone would turn this into a lifestyle whether it be online or offline.

At least 3 times, someone else and I have as well provided updated laws affecting the online world and child pornography which others have tried to make it seem as though it was misinterpretted against their favor when it spells it out clear as day to me. Maybe it doesn't to them because they only read what they want to see.

Even though I am against ageplay has it ever crossed your mind that another MAIN CONCERN is that this could be viewed as illegal so because of a few bad apples you would risk SL being shut down?

Seriously, if a few ageplayers were restricted from having sex with children on SL would they leave? If yes then that will answer the question. If all they are in SL for is to have sex with children, would one logically assume that being that was their only reason and their goal that in rl they have an obsessive problem?

If that is all second life is to them then they haven't experienced everything else second life has to offer and I'd rather those who are obsessed with child pornography to leave than SL being shut down for their non-compliance with real life laws. Second Life is not exempt nor is SL more powerful than real life powers. Other adult websites and games must at least have an age verifying system granted teens can still use their parents credit cards but Second Life in my opinion needs to at least put that back into effect.

Not only am I giving you my opinion no matter how harsh it may seem to you but I'm also giving you insight of what is going to happen. Myspace right now is the target of obsession but that is only because Fox owns it as being the place for pedophiles but Second Life might not be too far behind.

Remember that.

Damien bring up the law again it clearly states a REAL HUMAN BEING. A digital image, rendering, sketch, or painting needs to be distinguishable from a real person if its not depicting a real child there is nothing illegal about it. Regardless of what you think the law means that holds true otherwise about 99% of all game companies would be shut down under this new law. A 3d rendering is often nude before they cloth it if you know the industry. These models are sometimes children. Looking at them doesnt make me a pedophile. I work in the game industry. You can bring up the law all you want but its there in black and white that it needs to depict a real human being.

Age-play has nothing to do with pedophelia as stated by myself earlier in fact most age players are against pedophelia and child molestation. They dont accept it into their community. Get that thru your head some and learn what age play truly is. Its a fantasy being acted out be it due to some psychological disorder or just wanting to play the role of a child. Age play is about fufilling the person that wants to fantasize about being a childs fantasy be it sexual or otherwise. This applies to SL and the real world. Just get over the fact and look at it from the actual stand point of what it is not what you think it is. Thats whats wrong with society today. People think something is a certain way so it has to be and that is a very flawed logic in any context.

You dont need to like it but you should at least respect those people's rights to live out that fantasy and that is why you are a close minded individual because you dont respect other's rights even though its two consenting adults. Sexual age play that does happen in SL by the way is often between two children avatars not an adult avatar and a child. Its very rare to come across a child with an adult in a sexual encounter in SL. Talk to age players they will tell you the exact same thing.

Child molesters & pedophiles go after or are attracted to REAL CHILDREN

Ageplayers (RL & SL) are CONSENTING ADULTS.

is that clear enough?