Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???
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Lorelei Patel
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08-09-2006 12:47
From: Damien Skolem I haven't been in this game long enough to investigate. Investigations like this take time and knowing who is ageplaying, evaluating them and asking questions. Do you really think I run around second life walking up to random strangers and ask "Excuse me, do you like to have sex with child avatars?!?"
Based on this topic alone, I am giving my thoughts. If I could have access to a few study subjects, then I would feel the full picture rather than the basis of real life abusers, rapists and their obsessive behaviors. I will tell you that if someone is obsessively having sex with child avatars, their second life revolves around that then it's not what you want to hear but it's HIGHLY probable that in real life, the person has a child porn addiction. It's the same with those who have porn addictions in general. There are certain patterns and behavioral habits that some people just cannot hide. No no, you did not listen. I asked what do you think your knee-jerk reaction says about you.
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Joshua Nightshade
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08-09-2006 12:47
From: Taco Rubio Mondo, you stopped to reconsider your opinion earlier in this thread, and I thought that was pretty ballsy of you, so I'm going to take a moment to explain what Phedre is saying.
If you really believe that SL ageplay leads to or nutures RL child exploitaion (rather than RL ageplay?), she's suggesting you dont play Grand Theft Auto, which contains a LOT of graphic violence, as your logic would dictate that would lead you towards that in real life as well. taco, though I still remember you and the upskirt museum, but I love you nonetheless. 
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08-09-2006 12:48
From: Phedre Aquitaine You aren't taking strong streaks of intellectual masochism into account, darling. I know, but I hoped appealing to egos would work to end the thread.
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-09-2006 12:48
From: Damien Skolem I haven't been in this game long enough to investigate. Investigations like this take time and knowing who is ageplaying, evaluating them and asking questions. Do you really think I run around second life walking up to random strangers and ask "Excuse me, do you like to have sex with child avatars?!?"
Based on this topic alone, I am giving my thoughts. If I could have access to a few study subjects, then I would feel the full picture rather than the basis of real life abusers, rapists and their obsessive behaviors. I will tell you that if someone is obsessively having sex with child avatars, their second life revolves around that then it's not what you want to hear but it's HIGHLY probable that in real life, the person has a child porn addiction. It's the same with those who have porn addictions in general. There are certain patterns and behavioral habits that some people just cannot hide. You haven't even investigated what "ageplay" is. Frankly I'm shocked that a psychologist wouldn't be aware of ageplay --or as they refer to it in the DSM IV "Infantalism". |
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Taco Rubio
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08-09-2006 12:48
From: Mondo Kongo Thanks man. If she'd have put it in so many words I wouldnt have said anything. But we are also not talking about violence in the world. This thread is what Im talking about so imo Grand theft Auto has no relevence.
Im talking about concerns of the state of peoples mind and the general exception that its ok to screw a child if its just pretend, apparently.
People are saying that I have an issue separating RL from SL. If I have that problem.. these other people don't? Come on...
Commenting in the thread as a wise ass and not making a resonable argument is a waste of a post and serves to only aggitate. I agree with you and I've seen that on both sides of this a lot. I try to comment as a dumbass usually  Also, I'd like to thank you for keeping a moderately cool head about what must be a real hot-button issue for you, judging from your earlier post regarding some RL problems your family's experienced.
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Damien Skolem
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08-09-2006 12:48
From: Lorelei Patel No no, you did not listen. I asked what do you think your knee-jerk reaction says about you. Playing reverse psychology with me doesn't work. 
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Is age-play legal or illegal?
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including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that, under specified circumstances, depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is obscene, or depicts an image that is or appears to be of a minor engaging in such conduct and such depiction lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 12:48
That is not the answer Ordinal, the law I pointed ammends those sections Gensu pointed (and even going so far as to replace one whole section with completely new digital friendly stuff -- Section 2257 title 1  , I've just spoke to Torley and pointed this out. |
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Ordinal Malaprop
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08-09-2006 12:50
From: Wrom Morrison That is not the answer Ordinal, the law I pointed ammends those sections Gensu pointed (and even going so far as to replace one whole section with completely new digital friendly stuff -- Section 2257 title 1 , I've just spoke to Torley and pointed this out. No. It doesn't. It refers specifically to those sections in the actual text of the bill, and those sections haven't changed. I read it this morning. |
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Damien Skolem
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08-09-2006 12:51
From: Kendra Bancroft You haven't even investigated what "ageplay" is.
Frankly I'm shocked that a psychologist wouldn't be aware of ageplay --or as they refer to it in the DSM IV "Infantalism". I know what ageplay is, I know what infantalism is. Re-read. The point was, I haven't had a HUMAN SUBJECT to examine in SECOND LIFE. Would you like to be the first?
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Is age-play legal or illegal?
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including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that, under specified circumstances, depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is obscene, or depicts an image that is or appears to be of a minor engaging in such conduct and such depiction lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
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Lorelei Patel
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08-09-2006 12:51
From: Damien Skolem Playing reverse psychology with me doesn't work. This is not a game. You had an extreme emotional reaction to something you admit you did not understand. This says more about you than it does about the topic of this thread. You should do some thinking on it.
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Lina Pussycat
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08-09-2006 12:52
Wrom the thing with that law it does in fact state that it has to be an actual human being.
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Ordinal Malaprop
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08-09-2006 12:53
From: Damien Skolem I know what ageplay is, I know what infantalism is. Re-read. The point was, I haven't had a HUMAN SUBJECT to examine in SECOND LIFE.
Would you like to be the first? That's the creepiest thing I've read on this thread. |
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Lorelei Patel
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08-09-2006 12:53
From: Lina Pussycat Wrom the thing with that law it does in fact state that it has to be an actual human being. He knows. He's been told that many times by many people.
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Bryan Ruttan
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08-09-2006 12:53
From: Damien Skolem Please consult a psychotherapist for that issue because your child and you were dealt injustice and your child experienced a traumatic experience. This can lead to alot of unsolved issues in the future regarding both you and your child's state of mind, wellbeing and mental health. If your child doesn't display many symptoms now, in the future your child could have post traumatic stress disorder reliving that nightmare all over again. I wish you the best of luck! From: Damien Skolem In this huge topic???!!?? Are you mad?
Bryan, did I mistake you for someone else earlier in this topic regarding their rl kid's situation? Though I have read the whole thread, my first post came on page 47, post 704, you can read it here. I do not have any children, and never meant to say anywhere in this thread (or anywhere else for that matter) that I do. It is, however, of course good advice that parents of abused children should seek counselling for their children and themselves. ((edit: fixed link)) |
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Tiger Zobel
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08-09-2006 12:54
From: Mondo Kongo What?
Furries- Walking around i a fur suit... not illegal if in RL
Mechas- What ever thay do.... not illegal if in RL
Opposite sex- People do that everyday... not illegal if in RL
young adults playing older... so.... not illegal if in RL
Disabled- Thank god for SL it great for them!..... not illegal if in RL
Picking up a child and having sex with them... see you in 20 years if you survive in the "Pen" !
Apples and Oranges man, Apples and Oranges. Mind if I just alter one little thing i your argument, so that it's fitting with the facts? Picking up an ADULT dressed up as a child... NOT ILLEGAL IN RL! Must you insist on a strawman to get your point across? |
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 12:54
From: Ordinal Malaprop No. It doesn't. It refers specifically to those sections in the actual text of the bill, and those sections haven't changed. I read it this morning. From: someone
(a) IN GENERAL.--Section 2257 of title 18, United States Code,
is amended--
(1) in subsection (a), by inserting after ``videotape,'' the
following: ``digital image, digitally- or computer-manipulated
image of an actual human being, picture,'';
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And so on. |
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Damien Skolem
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08-09-2006 12:55
From: Bryan Ruttan Though I have read the whole thread, my first post came on page 47, post 704, you can read it <a href="http://forums.secondlife.com/showpost.php?p=1215561&postcount=704">here</a>. I do not have any children, and never meant to say anywhere in this thread (or anywhere else for that matter) that I do.
It is, however, of course good advice that parents of abused children should seek counselling for their children and themselves. Sorry about the mixup Bryan.
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Is age-play legal or illegal?
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including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that, under specified circumstances, depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is obscene, or depicts an image that is or appears to be of a minor engaging in such conduct and such depiction lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-09-2006 12:57
From: Damien Skolem I know what ageplay is, I know what infantalism is. Re-read. The point was, I haven't had a HUMAN SUBJECT to examine in SECOND LIFE.
Would you like to be the first? I'm not an ageplayer, darlin'. Just a garden variety transsexual. My only real fetish involves collecting Wonder Woman paraphenalia. |
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Lina Pussycat
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08-09-2006 12:58
If a sketch or art is not directly of a real child (ie if i was 10 and you made a nude sketch of me) and the same goes for a digital rendering. Aiko for daz3d is under 18 and a very child like model and there are child models for poser as well but they dont depict anyone in real life there for the legality of it is deemed legal not illegal. The same goes with SL its a model its not depicting any real life children in any way shape or form. The people behind the screens are adults. Basically what you then would have to look at is taking down any game that has a child like av in it because they start out as a nude base model and shut down the game companies for being pedophiles.
The clause in the law in there for a valid reason and Age play in sl even sexual age play does not equal pedophelia or child porn. You dont know the culture just what you think it is. You can run a test and understand it in a day if you wanted to damien.
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Ordinal Malaprop
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08-09-2006 12:59
From: Wrom Morrison And so on. 2257 is record-keeping. 2256 is the definition of child pornography. There has been no change to that. |
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Maeve Morgan
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08-09-2006 13:03
From: Kendra Bancroft I'm not an ageplayer, darlin'.
Just a garden variety transsexual.
My only real fetish involves collecting Wonder Woman paraphenalia. That's a fetish? I guess I should count my collecting of powerpuff girls stuff as a fetish. |
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Phedre Aquitaine
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08-09-2006 13:04
From: Maeve Morgan That's a fetish? I guess I should count my collecting of powerpuff girls stuff as a fetish. It depends, do you grope them at night whispering "Bubblesssss... Buuuubblesssss..."? *goes to kill self*
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 13:05
From: Ordinal Malaprop 2257 is record-keeping. 2256 is the definition of child pornography. There has been no change to that. Please re-read 2257 as given in the new ammendment, it's confusing but this applies to LL I believe. Infact the new 2257A covers simulated sexual acts, as refered earlier by me. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-09-2006 13:10
From: Wrom Morrison Please re-read 2257 as given in the new ammendment, it's confusing but this applies to LL I believe. Infact the new 2257A covers simulated sexual acts, as refered earlier by me. 2257 doesn't in any way overturn the requirement of "indistinguishable" nature of the material. |
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Toni Bentham
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08-09-2006 13:14
From: Wrom Morrison Please re-read 2257 as given in the new ammendment, it's confusing but this applies to LL I believe. Infact the new 2257A covers simulated sexual acts, as refered earlier by me. You are wrong. It does not apply.
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