Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???

While I find the idea of adults having sex with children terribly repulsive personally, I see nothing wrong with it in this virtual medium. In most cases, this child AV is really an adult roleplaying as a child anyway. The point I'm trying to make is ultimately: no one is getting hurt, so let them have their 'fun'. Whatever floats your boat I suppose. Now its a totally different matter if this person really is a child (virtual or not) but I doubt that's the case and if it is... someone needs to start doing their job as a parent.

Yeah ronin thats the point people under 18 arnt supposed to even be here. If they are here they lied. I think that in that case the child should be punished not the adult unless the adult was made aware of the childs age before hand.

Joy, I can assure you with the authority of having read most of the sixty pages before this:

No. It really fucking isn't.

*head meeting desk*

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You opened that can of worms yourself. No going back now. If you're going to claim a real life carreer to anchor your statements here, you've invited people to question your credentials, especially when your bedside manner is arrogant, dismissive, and judgemental.

Is this how a psychologist behaves? By firing off unsubstantiable accusations? I don't think so.

I was a real life child who was harmed in a sexual way. I seem to be able to discern the difference between pixels and flesh. How is it that you, a "psychologist" who is supposed to be able to help the rest of us understand the difference between reality and non-reality, cannot?


No, none of that which you are referring to overrides the "indistinguishable" clause. Please show us where and how it does. Please explain why, if you're right, SL hasn't been shut down?

This logic was applied to..hmm... gays, hippies, people of color, etc. and still is. Again, your statements belie your claim of being a psychologist.

Lord have mercy. First off they are having sex with other ADULTS, not CHILDREN. That's where the term age-PLAY comes in. Get it? PLAYING an AGE, not BEING an AGE. Second, how is it that you seem to know that that's "all they are here for?". .:Groan:. Is "obsessive problem" a new label for a psychological disorder? Funny, I have never heard it said that way by a psychologist before.

No, they must not have. There is no law to that end. They do it because they choose to. And again with the grand assumption "that is all second life is to them". I think it's pretty clear who the one with the "obsessive problem" is here. How do yo know that they aren't creators or that they don't attend live music events and whatnot? Open your mind.

Oh, so now your Nostradamus too. Until such time as our avies are indistinguishable from real humans, you lose. Get over it, to use your line. You've lost.

Watch it, you don't want any head injuries

Hell, if I broke my skull again I might be able to comprehend the "logic" used by some of the posters to this thread.

I'm pretty tolerant, and believe me I'm not off to yell ban anyone within range, however I do believe in tolerance within respectable limits and I must say that this definitely exceeds those limits. To me it DOES say something about the personality of an adult who wants sex with a child, even it's "just pixels". I know that is definitely someone I don't want around my children. However, there's nothing to be done about it in SL, so I stay away. NOt that I've seen it mind you..but if I did, I'd leave, quietly, disgusted, but quietly.

But could someone PLEASE explain to me something: Isn't an ageplayer different from a sex-ageplayer and if so could everyone please stick to those definitions. Because quite frankly I can't tell who's just an idiot and who's just using the convenient term. I myself run around in a child av occasionally, I've found it a great way to capture the childhood I wasn't permitted. I go play tag, and ride the carousels, and generally act a fool..cuz well, I'm a kid LOL However I'd mute the first person that proposed any kind of sex with that av. Of course, I mute people that propose any sex with me, but that's a whole 'nother point. lol

Jalestra lemme explain 1 thing to you. Sexual Age Play is not about having sex with a child in any way. Its the person who is dressing up or acting as a child and doing sexual things that is acting out a fantasy and their girlfriend/boyfriend or partner in SL is trying to be supportive of that fantasy. There isnt anything wrong with it unless you take it from the stand point that it has something to do with wanting to have sex with children but it doesnt. In fact people involved in sexual age-play do not like pedophiles and child molestors and are often advocates against such things. There is a difference between age-play and sexual age play and there are numerous forms of sexual age play alot of which dont even involve intercourse.

Most people havent aquainted themselves with what sexual age play is and jump the gun on deciding that it is wrong. Sure there may be pedophiles here and there on SL but finding them involved in age play i garuntee you is going to be a very rare accourance. Mabye 2% of all the age players in SL on either side. I wont call it wrong or immoral. I dont like it but its their fantasies and they have a right to live them out. The original poster was snooping on someones property and saw something they didnt like. Its like peeking in my window in real life seeing me having sex and then crying indecent exposure and public indencency/public sex. It just doesnt make sense plus in SL its two consenting adults it doesnt matter if its pixels or not that fact still remains and the pixels make the image distiguishable beyond any doubt of being real or not real.

No children are being hurt and the age play community both sexual and non sexual do not like pedophiles or child abuse.

What Lina said or this, which is what Lina said in very very very simple terms

That may be the case, but I'd still keep them away from my kids. Better safe than sorry, and I'm sure they'd understand, or I hope they would if they are as against it as you say. I don't understand it so I can't exactly put myself in their shoes. As I don't understand it, I'll just keep my nose out of it lol

However, I do wonder about the terms because I'd hate to say "Oh yeah, I ageplay!" and watch my friendslist disappear because I'm ignorant lol

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Dear God...It's getting hard to keep quiet when you see that not only certain people keep spouting professional opinion about something they obviously don't know about and then claim to be a psychologist/therapist/psychiatrist, which is a BIGGER insult to me than the issue about sexual ageplay, considering that I graduated from that course myself (it's an enjoyable course but not something I see myself making a career of for the rest of my life--I may not hold a doctorate or be a licensed therapist but I do hold a great deal of respect for what they do).

A fetish, may it be a lolita fetish or any other fetish (in real life or SL in that matter) or inclination for that matter isn't bad. It is nothing more than something that spices up vanilla sex and adds variety in your sexual life. Which is okay.

The only time when a psychologist/psychiatrist/therapist becomes concerned is when the individual starts becoming OBSESSIVE with his/her fetish that they could no longer find any pleasure in other things except for that fetish, that may, at a worst case scenario, may drive people to enact those obsessions in a socially unacceptable manner (which may mean that your obsession becomes harmful and even dangerous to others).

It is one thing to have your partner dress up in a catholic school girl uniform once in a while during sex, it's an all to different thing when you insist that she wears that uniform and having her roleplay everytime you have sex. Now that is something that would make any real psychologist/psychiatrist/therapist give pause. It's not about what their fetish is, it's whether or not that they are developing an obsessive behavior towards it.

What everyone I see ranting about ageplay is that they assume that just because the have the fetish are automatically obsessed with it, hence the "a step away from pedophilia" remarks.

You people don't realize just how harmful those flippant remarks are, I will say that in my opinion, that kind of behavior is even more harmful than any sexual ageplay/lolita fetish out there. Fanning the flame of ignorance, produces much misunderstanding and creating a harmful, narrowminded environment. Witchhunts anyone?

If you're really curious what the brouhaha is all about or think that this topic is very important to you, why don't you all take the time out to go visit or talk to a licensed psychologist/psychiatrist/therapist and ask your question to them rather than depending on the words of 'so-called' experts in the forum whose background you can't even check.

I <3 lurkers, and i dont know how you do it - I envy youfor being able to hold your tongue as much as you do.

Doesn't read that way to me... what it DOES read like is him waiting for the opportunity to gloat that he was right, at the cost of a child being molested.

It really does sound like a "I warned you, it happened, I was right, tough shit!" reply...

Hi guys! How's it going?

Yes it is a big concern when the person becomes obsessed with only having sex with child avatars and if you read that then perhaps you would have noted that I have stated countless of times the obession factor.

how odd, her title reads elegant lolita

head injuries abound!

Yes, and you've also stated that you have done ZERO research in SL about it. So tell me... how do you know people exist in SL who are "obsessed with only having sex with child avatars"?

Please, do tell, Mr. Psychologist.

From: Taco Rubio

I <3 lurkers, and i dont know how you do it - I envy youfor being able to hold your tongue as much as you do.

Would you believe it took me two hours to write that? ^_^ I had to repeatedly edit it to get rid of the more sarcastic, biting, aggravating, emotional remarks. Not to mention, trying to simplify it to make it more understandable to anyone who has at least completed highschool.

Now back to lurking. I have said all I have to say in the matter.

*stealthly disappears into the forum threads like a ninja! Ninja Lolita~!*

I'm sure there are if this topic keeps being brought up over and over again but I'm willing to be proven wrong by the ones that do ageplay. Once again, you and the ones who come to defend ageplay are not going to understand where others are coming from because you simply don't want to. I'm willing to understand more on the subject in the game, not on the boards but I feel like conversation with you goes nowhere considering you are on attack mode and defensive about ageplay.

I'm not so sure that anything objective that I may bring to the plate is something you would be thinking in your head "blah blah blah" but it seems to me that you and the ones on defense over ageplay selectively pick out things to throw back at me rather than getting the full picture.

You're trying to turn this around so that I will have to defend my stance and which I applaud you because it's worked however I am doing so aware of this. You seem intelligent but one-sided.

You're only wishing to see the texts that you can just throw back in defense and disregard anything that might hurt your case even the truth.

In real life, having fantasies of sex with children is not against the law. Owning child pornography or depicting children in that abusive manner through drawings, paintings, cartoons is against the law however California doesn't seem to be as caring about it as Germany would be caring over nazi symbols.

If you think about it, every land has a law that caters to their kind of thought police and there is usually only one. Citizens have various forms of thought police.

Here in America, the thought police that is law is child porn. The thought police that is controlled by citizens is political correctness and shushing those that are only white racists.

In Germany, the thought police that is law are nazi symbols and anything related to that time. I'm not sure what the citizens try to shun that isn't what the law shuns.

Inthe middle east, there's alot of thought police that is law which results in harsh punishment. Being gay and Christian come to mind.

In Japan, their form of thought police by law is porn and scrambling images of genitalia.

In China the form of thought police that the law controls is what the citizens are allowed access to over the web and the media is tightly controlled.


I was honestly stating that in sl I haven't examined an ageplayer upclose and personal like I would real life patients but I do understand that patterns do exist and someone who is constantly engaged in roleplay has an obsession and instead of being scared of breaking someone's bubble of protection, the first step in understanding this is a problem to the one's with this obsession is admitting that it exists. Once you get beyond that point, you will not be as scared of that delusional bubble of protection bursting.

I myself cannot give pats on the backs for those who act out those fantasies or lust after children. Leave them alone, sure. Avoid them yes. Claim that I tolerate and accept them when I don't just so you vultures will get off my back, no!

The more people just sit back and tell you it's okay, it's cool the more you are encouraged to promote that type of behavior and expect that others agree with it when clearly in reality, it is wrong. If you don't know that it is wrong, you should seek help and guidance.

Damien, I am not defending "age play" per se.

I am trying to combat generalised statements about people you claim you haven't even talked to.

You're doing it again in the post above. This is, first and foremost, why I am doubting your claimed credentials. It's really quite unusual for psychologists to offhandedly issue blanket statements without any research whatsoever to back up those claims.

I would be here defending this side regardless of whether we were talking about ageplay sex, yiffing, gorean culture, or whatnot.

This is because I believe that what type of sexual play adults consent to participate in is none of our damned business, as long as it it not pushed in our faces.

I do not believe for one minute, that ageplay sex encourages anyone to act out in RL anymore than I believe killing prostitutes, playing an assassin, or any number of things that are illegal in RL means that those people are likely to act those things out in RL either. Why is it that none of the anti ageplay sex folks will address that point? Is it because the tip of their own sword may then be turned back at them because they might enjoy some of those other types of RP? Likely in my mind.

I believe that you know this, and are just using what is currently a very hotbutton issue to further a personal agenda. That's the real exploitation of children here.

Damien for the last time Age-play is not about a lust for having sex with children. Its a male or female playing out a fantasy of acting like a child be it in a sexual encounter or just acting as a child. It operates on the same premise in SL as it does in real life but you fail to realize that. They wont come here to defend themselves and likely wont be open to discussion because they do not want to be persecuted be people that are short sighted. I know i for one wouldnt we the reactions of quite a few people here. You labeled them then you say that you wont accept some things unless they come forward to defend themselves basically. There isnt a legal issue here and as a psychologist (if you really are) then you understand the need for the person roleplaying the child to do so.

To label it as wrong is a bit off for a psychologist as your not really allowed to form that opinion in the work area. Its no different from real life age play and yet you try to play it like it is. You havent talked to an age-player in SL and i doubt you have had contact with an age player in real life for that matter. You dont know what the community is about even though you have been told numerous times by people what it is. Even provided a Link to what it was about and yet you still dont see that your argument for it is plainly moot. These people arnt fanatical about their fetish they do it from time to time. I partake in some sexual aspects of SL but im not sitting there all day having sex. Alot of them are very productive and you labeling them as pedophiles straight out was just off.

It hurts their standing in SL and is slanderous to the entire community of Age-players both in real life and in SL. And Like sunspot im not defending age-play per say. Im defending peoples right to live how they want in SL and do what they like in private. The age play community doesnt force you to watch them do it. So in all honesty get over it. If you dont like it dont get involved with it simple as that.

Mind you if you even search age play in SL it says you must be an adult to join the groups. There is also a bdsm guide to SL I'd reccomend you go read it an aqquaint yourself a little more with how they operate..

This thread has nothing to do with children being harmed in first life. It has to do with alledged adults trying to gain moral superiority over one another. I have bad news for some of you. You ain't going to win the Forums but you may win a dunce hat.