Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???

Must be his/her weedsmoking habit. Drugs tend to shrink the brain now don't they?

Reality is a word you can look up after you look up the word pedophile.

If it is to shut you up for being ignorant, by all means:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime

A small excerpt:


Because that's what this is ABOUT. Fantasy is a thought...
ACTING upon a fantasy (if it's illegal) would be a crime.
Not just thinking about it; no matter how sick we might find it.

Remember that movie with Tom Cruise as well... "stopping crime before it happens"?

As I said, get real!


Edited to add some afterthought:
1. So if you want people to be helped by going to someone... If now thoughts/fantasies will treated as a crime, why would people ever go to seek help if they know beforehand they will be labelled "pedophile" even if they havent had touched a child ever.

2. Why draw a line here? If you think about murdering someone, get that one reported and convicted for murderer-to-be and be labelled murderer...

It's just plain ignorance, the unability to distinguish REAL from VIRTUAL that causes these uproars over and over again.

You know what? I'll with draw my comment. Your sardonic, one-liner, non-contributory posts aren't worth a serious reply.

You never gave a serious reply in fact you make no sense at all ...and I am done trying to argue with a sick person because you can't argue with a sick mind.

Wrong. You can argue with a sick mind, but you will never win.

That she, others and I even are responding to your minimal replies that clearly show utter ignorance of the facts detest the fact we have sick minds. Those are the same kind of people who cannot see beyond their own logic and only consider themselves to be "right". and everyone elses opinion, if its not equal to theirs "wrong". Wars have been thought over this closed mindedness.

That said, people like you, with a mindset as described in the previous paragraph don't deserve any more attention.
Have a nice life.

Edited to add:
I must admit, this thread has a very good side effect... All kinds of morons and closed minded people come here like bees to a pile of honey. It really weeds out the posts I don't have to read anymore

Isn't calling an intelligent grown woman "Clever girl" indicative of some Daddy complex of your's? You an ageplayer or something?

I stopped reading the thread after the first few messages because I had this idea...

We can SUE everyone in this Froogle search result because they sell a simulated sheep intended for sexual use, and beastiality is illegal!




Oh, we can't sue them for selling a bestiality SIMULATOR? Oh well, there goes that idea.

Personally, I'd consider any sexual act performed in Second Life that would be illegal in real life to be classified under "parody"...

Actually they wouldnt be interested in the case because it has nothing to do with pedophelia or child molestation as i myself have pointed out several times. In fact most age players are advocates in the anti-pedophile/anti child molestation groups. As someone explained there is a vast difference between the two. Pedophelia isnt a problem unless someone acts on those actions using real children. And for the last time it is not about adults humping child avatars.

You just proved to people you dont know what age play is. Go read up on it sheesh. Some people need to actually step back and close their mouth and do some research before they speak. Age-play is about the person dressing up as the child or playing the child avatar playing out THEIR fantasy not the other way around. Sure there may be some people acting out a adult > child fantasy but the odds of them being a pedophile or a child molester are pretty slim considering the fact that pedophiles and child molesters target REAL children, not adults playing them. And pedophilia is having thoughts about young children if those thoughts are not acted on there isnt a danger.

And actually thats not pro pedophile if that age is above 13 because pedophelia is about prepubsent children not people over the age of 13. So unless they are lobbying to go under that it really has nothing to do with pedophelia. Its sex with a minor which is considered statchatory rape in the United States but its not considered pedophelia because the thoughts/actions are not of/performed on a prepubscent child. Also this used to be common place awhile ago, but was deemed immoral so they made a law about it. Thats not an excuse but it does stand that way in truth.

The problem is your tagging age play as pedophelia when it has nothing to do with it. Sure there are some strays but you have them in real society as well and I'm not speaking about the age play community there either. The age play community as stated before is against pedophilia why is that so hard to grasp for some people?

I thought it was an indication of him being an obnoxious, patronising, sexist little git.

Never let the facts get in the way of an emotionally charged witch hunt...

I totally agree. But you point at US not being able to distinguish RL from SL. And in the same breath you would say that no-one else could possibly be influence towards illegal activity from such a thing is SL. Your contradicting yourself. In RL its so deiscreet the general public knows nothing of it. But in SL its more open and anonymous, perfect for a fledgling predator.

Before I saw this I had the following to say about the irony and contradictions like the last line of your statement above:

Yesterday, and probably in the next few dozen responses to this. People have called me sick on numerous occasion. (I'm really glad I have this sickness by the way.) As I tried to explain to these Masters of Knowledge, Kings and Queens of normalcy. In their eye's I am disturbed individual. That I dare voice my convictions on a foresight to an issue, that cant be argued against using plain world everyday common sense and english.

The response is Generally people "thumping their heads" (it wont help, you have no common sense in an issue like this, go play 'thumb war' or something to win your argument) The biggest response appears to me that I and the people that think like me are "Closed Minded"

I at least can say in one of my previous posts, that I did correct myself where I was presented with a valid point. I have yet to see any point other than the one I mentioned that contridicts anything that I have said because people arent reading and thinking about my position on this. Rather they focus on shooting holes in what I say. When they have no valid argument they *Thump their heads* (mature, really, seems par for the course... no argument?... call them sick and thump your head)

I think its ironic that the people advocate this fetish can only point the finger at people like myself and say we are sick. (Or bang there heads again, I often wondered where the kids on the short bus to school, wearing a bicycle helmets all day long went to.) And think our opinion that this behavior could POSSIBLY develope into a RL crime from those less stable Is totally warranted. And we (mostly me) are label "less than stable" to put it nicely.

Talk about closed minded! Not a single one of the advocates of this fetish, and freedom of expression, could bend their little minds to really read and comprehend my point of view. They just start throwing out names, explitives and idiotic headbanging. Granted, some (1 or 2 of them) made some really valid points. I have to say they helped shine the light for me here and there. I can acknowledge their points of view and can respect their position.

So who has the closed mind here? People like myself have continually tried to reach these people with our points on the matter but none of these headbangers of social perfection will listen other than to disect our posts and distort what we mean for their purpose. They just want to win the argument for there side and will say anything to discourage anyone from trying to make a valid point.

So. Its pointless. I have my convictions they have theirs. Too bad their reasonable arguments for the majority are: "Now I know who to Mute", *thump, thump, thump*, "your closed minded" and the winner is "your sick get help". They will go on patting each other on the back like they won something and will attempt to knock down the oposition with there Juvenile responses.

All I have concluded from this entire subject is this. 1)People think they can call their perversions a lifestyle and its magically socially acceptable. (I have the right to think its a perversion just like you think I'm a Prude!) 2)The POSSIBLE repercusions of their actions is a non-issue with them because everybody who disagree's is a "Thought Nazi".
How many times have the arguments from the oppostion been "I wonder what YOU are hiding"... what? I'll just ask, "who are the ones on the defensive".

Now I am absolutely sure I will be able kick back now and see the head thumping and name calling fly. I fully expect to be lectured on the lifestyle for the thousandths time. And I also expect that people can't see the POSSIBILITY that a truly sick individual, a non-ageplayer, could by any stretch of the imagination increase his desire for commiting a crime after 'sampling' what sex with a child might be like in SL.
(I know this went way over the heads of most and Im ready to recieve the juvenille responses now)

Ready..... Go!!! I'll try to throw a pillow between you and the wall cause the head thumping isnt helping.

How do you call it a perversion or even think it is one. Sure there are a few strays in the community but as i have said that happen in real life society as well. Its not a perversion if you have actually read any of my recent posts. I have pointed out numerous times and can site from many different resources if i need to that Age-Play is not pedophilia or child molestation or a perversion to wanting to have sex with children. In fact the age-play community frowns on such things. It may seem preverted to you but that doesnt give you the right to say they can or cannot do it.

I've called damien closed minded because as the profession he stated he shows a closed mindedness approach to what he is. I dont name call no need for it really. I just think people should stop labeling age-players and stop judging wether or not they have the right to do what they do. Under law they do and any lawyer/pshychologist can tell you that. A psychologist if it wasnt an obsession of the person would call it a healthy expression. It is by no means pedophelia as i have stated many times about sexual age play. They say your closed minded (i wont say you are) because qutie simply you seem to lack a knowledge of what age play is about before making your opinions about it.

Most people that frown on it dont actually know what its about or have never met/talked to someone involved in it. I can understand the gross out factor for some people or thinking its perverse but what i cant understand is their inability to conseptualize the fact that it is legal, not pedophelia or child molestation, and is just a fetish between two consenting adults. I am also appaled by the odacity of them to say that this shouldnt be allowed in SL that is a close minded approach to the issue. They dont want to understand the age players and automatically are labeling the sexual age players as pedophiles without any understanding of it.

My first and so far also my last post on this forum..

As someone told me about this thread I could not believe my ears (or eyes).
And reading here its worse then I thought. You bunch of people should be ashamed of yourself!

Ageplay has nothing to do with having cyber sex with little avatars that look like children. Some are right when they name those people sick. It is. Ask your parents (or family) what they think of it. I am sure they will tell you the same.

But that aside, SL is big enough for all perverts. So go in peace and do what you want. I will AR every offender I will see (if there are any arround me). I will not go to those place that advertice so open in the "search" so dont worry. Did you know that some even use the word incest to advert their place!!! Thats what you are into and defending! Sick sick sick.

Kids and kids avatars should be banned from the grid!

They'd say its sick because they dont understand what age play is about. It says incest because its an Adult often playing a parent with a child that is acting like daddy's little girl as an instance. LL have already stated that it was legal on several occasions. And Kids should be banned from SL i agree but a child avatar should not be. Its the way an adult chooses to look and is playing a role of being a child. And age play is thrown around to much here. Age play in a sexual community were one can play the fantasy of being a child with an adult avatar or another child avatar. The people playing a child avatar are not neccessarily part of age play thats a misconception of the term itself. Which is why i say age play and sexual age play as to state what people take it as.

Look up a definition of age play. Also there arnt really places for age play there are shops but you will be unlikely to find a public gathering for the sexual end of it. Its not sick and those that think it is sick are usually the ones lacking an understanding of what age play is actually about.

Because people still don't get there has been an expansion to the child pornography laws, put down your defenses and read. Do I agree with the sentence? If it were just about chid cartoon porn then no, he shouldn't have been sentenced to 1000 years in prison but he seemed to have had alot of other types of porn plus possibly a sex offender past BUT WHY AREN'T MURDERERS GETTING THAT SENTENCE AND MULTIPLE CHILD RAPISTS?..(There are so many degrees of sex offenders now that if someone were titled a sex offender you couldn't safely conclude that the person was a child molester, rapist, dancer at a strip club, owner of child porn, owner of teen porn, owner of child cartoons etc..)


RICHMOND MAN FIRST CONVICTED UNDER EXPANDED CHILD-PORN LAW

http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768481527

BY TOM CAMPBELL
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER Dec 2, 2005


RELATED: Police Beat

A 53-year-old Richmond man yesterday became the first person convicted under a 2003 federal statute that makes obscene cartoon drawings as well as photographs an illegal form of child pornography.

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Dwight Whorley could be sentenced to more than 1,000 years in prison because a jury found him guilty of 74 counts of child pornography charges in U.S. District Court. Those counts include the obscene cartoons and charges of sending and receiving obscene e-mails describing sexual abuse of children.

Whorley used a computer at a Virginia Employment Commission office in Richmond on March 30, 2004, to view obscene Japanese anime cartoons that depict female children being forced into sexual intercourse with adult males.

The new statute is "designed to increase protection against the sexual exploitation of minors," the U.S. attorney's office said. It makes it a federal crime to produce, distribute, receive or possess for distribution "obscene drawings, cartoons, sculptures, paintings or any other obscene visual representation of the sexual abuse of children."

Whorley was under court-supervised release after serving time on previous child pornography convictions when he was charged under the current indictment. Authorities said he was arrested in April 2004 after he printed out some of the obscene cartoons in the VEC office and someone noticed.

The indictment accused Whorley of 20 counts of receiving obscene materials, 20 counts of receiving obscene visual representations of sexual abuse of children, 14 counts of receiving child pornography and 20 counts of sending and receiving obscene e-mails describing sexual abuse of children.

Whorley's maximum possible sentence is 1,160 years in prison and a fine of $18.5 million. Judge Henry E. Hudson scheduled sentencing for March 10.

Besides viewing the cartoons on March 30, Whorley used a VEC computer on two earlier dates in March 2004 to receive digital photographs of children engaging in sexually explicit conduct, the U.S. attorney's office said. The 20 obscene e-mail messages described, among other things, parents sexually molesting their children.

Whorley's previous conviction on federal child-pornography charges was in 1999. He was sentenced to 46 months in prison to be followed by three years of court-supervised probation.

In January 2003, he had served his sentence and was on supervised release when he violated the terms of his probation and was taken back into custody, according to the U.S. attorney's office.

He was sentenced to an additional 12 months to serve and was released in January 2004. Whorley again violated probation and was arrested in April 2004, which led authorities to the current prosecution.

Whorley was prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney Sara E. Flannery and Damon A. King, a trial attorney with the U.S. Department of Justice's Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section. The case was investigated by the FBI and the justice department.

"With this conviction, we have removed a dangerous repeat sex offender from the community for a long time," said Paul J. McNulty, acting deputy attorney general as well as U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia.

Assistant Attorney General Alice S. Fisher of the criminal division in the U.S. Department of Justice called Whorley "a relentless trafficker of child pornography."

She said the justice department "will continue to protect citizens from obscene pictures of child pornography by punishing those who violate our law and engage in these abhorrent offenses."

Ummm... you never "argued" with me anyway.

You haven't argued with anyome here. All you've done is make vapid little one note attacks.

"You're sick"

"Take your meds"

Is that serious debate? Do you actually have something thoughtful to say on the subject, or are you going to carry on like a 12 year old by popping into the thread every few pages to show your ass?

You're just another kneejerk reactor who is paralyzed by fear and ignorance.

What you fail to tell us:

According to the wikipedia article.

"Whorley's case is misleading and has been misrepresented to a large extent. In reality, it was part of his parole requirements not to be in possession of any pornographic material, and his possession of lolicon broke that, incurring his conviction."

Thank you for your reply.

The thing is that its hard to see whats ageplay here and what is child porn. In real life clubs if you want to have fun with some ageplay involved you cna see we are adults. No children are involved and we also know enough examples of people who infiltrate and say they are their for ageplay but are actual pedophiles.

You cant tell if it is and you cant tell if its not.

an RL child in secondlife would be inclined to appear as an adult AV.

a child molester who wished to engage in cyber sexplay with an actual child would be more likely turned on by an actual RL child in an overtly sexualized adult AV.

Child molestation is about violence, power and dominance.

It has zilch to do with ageplay.

The kick in ageplay (both in SL and RL) is for the player to return to a mental state when their own sexual feelings were new. If they are lucky they will find partners who understand and will rp it with them. If they are not --they use it as masturbation material.

You provided a wikipedia article?? Provide another source please.

Did you not get the meaning behind why I posted that article? Cartoon child porn is no longer allowed. Anything that you can tell is a child revolving around cartoons is not allowed. People have misinterpretted it to mean that it must look like a real life child and real life pictures but that isn't the case.

It's not my laws, I'm just telling you what the expansion of the child protection laws are and they view child cartoon pornography in the same sense as real child porn. Do you know how a desensitization process works?

Take someone who has never watched child porn, child porn cartoons, images of children being raped and after a while there is a new form of acceptance and desensitization that occurs while watching after so many times. Some may stop watching it all together and still think that it's not something they would like others watch it and become very desensitized to the point of defending it as though it's some liberty that they should have, to the point of an obsessive behavior and to the point of viewing it as a normal act that children enjoy thus their perception becomes skewed. Now what everyone else views as abnormal has to that viewer become normal. Now children that pass by are sexy.

Sometimes child molestors that spend time gaining a child's trust will often try to stimulate the child by showing them child porn cartoons. They figure, it worked for me, it might work for them but the child is not interested in sex and has no continous thriving sex drive like adults do.

It revolves around the mindset of that individual. If that individual were watching those images repeatedly while gaining sexual gratification through masturbating or any form of sexual stimulation, after a while you then tend to selectively weed out adult women from little children and children are now your target of obsession.

Those that sit back and say it's absurd and that images have no impact or do not determine what a person is capable of doing are wrong.

Should someone with an unhealthy obsession with children be councelled? yes. To determine where it all stemmed from, you would need to trace the steps.



Here's a question for defenders of child avatar porn. Before entering this game, were you tolerant to the thought or did you become tolerant after playing this game?

If I were to tell you before you ever laid eyes on this game that I played a child character that let someone I call daddy have sex with me on multiple occassions, would you be tolerant and accepting and defend me or would you think I had problems and needed to seek professional help?

Just as you think its not, I can think it is...



I corrected myself in previous posts linking ageplay with mental illness. And your saying people into Ageplay dont dress up and simulate sex with a child? If they don't then how do they get aroused in the first place?



Didn't catch that insert about non-ageplayer?



True. But when I little girl in the adult grid asks me to be her daddy? I don't need that shit in my face. I can if it intrudes and forces me to adress it.



I don't have an opinion on Damien, he caused himself to seriously lose face. I guess thats IS my opinion on Damien.



We do realize its legal under the protective umbrella of being a lifestyle, groovy. But, in your fist sentance you say you don't know why I think its a perversion?



I aknowledged being schooled in ageplay earlier by the fetish advocates, also giving the benefit of the doubt and actually apologizing! Truly an effort on my part has been given to the ageplay folks.



I agree now since sleeping on it. We had a traumatic event with our child and a molester and my initial stance was a Knee-Jerk. I was outraged for good reason. If there is any medium that can nuture pedophilia or the desire to commit a child crime, open ageplay on SL is definately one of them. Or can you say, honestly, that ageplay is in no way an attraction the sick ones? If you can I have nothing else to say to you.

Can the ageplay avocates at least see that people like myself don't want to see and can not tolerate child sexuality with an adult without reliving some bit of the past trauma we have suffered? The initial Post in this thread smelled of snooping. But I can't say that in my horror I wouldnt look at the spectacle a little closer to verify what my eyes were seeing.

If people get off on Hot monkey sex with a child avatar. Do it somewhere Waaaay up in the sky, is that so hard? This thread would have never appeared if there would have been discretion involved when portraying, visually, what can be interpreted as an illegal act.
I'm sorry but those little tiny av's don't resemble a consenting adult at ALL, and it is therefore interpreted as child porn. And lets not be so naive to think that childeren are not on the Adult grid. They see this and might think its normal behavior. I mean normal that EVERYBODY does it and condones the activity which is by this thread obviously not the case.