Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???

This thread has nothing to do with children being harmed in first life. It has to do with alledged adults trying to gain moral superiority over one another. I have bad news for some of you. You ain't going to win the Forums but you may win a dunce hat.

I think what no one mentions, and I wonder if it gets lost here, is that in the United States, the possession or creation of 'child pornography' includes writing and artwork. It is illegal, for example, to use a computer software program to create an image of a child having sex. It is also illegal to write stories about children having sex. In fact, one judge found that a prisoner's diary, in which he had written his sexual fantasies about children, constituted child pornography and he was sentenced to additional time in prison. This is despite the fact that the prisoner did not share his diary with anyone else. His diary was seized and read by prison guards. It is illegal to paint or draw a picture of a child having sex.

Regardless of what LL may be capable of doing to prevent ageplay, regardless of whether it is consensual RP between adults, regardless of whether any actual children are harmed, regardless of what anyone on these forums thinks about the subject, what is being created with age play is, in fact, according to US law, felony creation of child pornography.

The people who engage in this are, quite simply, stupid. IP addresses can be traced and many of these individuals have payment records with LL. All it takes is for the FBI to subpoena chat records and IP addresses and you're in prison for your 'consensual roleplay between adults.'

Make no mistakes about it, IT IS ILLEGAL.

A very Excellent POINT berry. DID YOU KNOW THAT THIS LAW ALSO MAKES "ROMEO AND JULIET" ILLEGAL? Juliet Capulet was only 13 after all. Why are you not at the schools all over America whining about the 9th grade classes reading it for English lessons??

Damien for the last time Age-play is not about a lust for having sex with children. Its a male or female playing out a fantasy of acting like a child be it in a sexual encounter or just acting as a child. It operates on the same premise in SL as it does in real life but you fail to realize that. They wont come here to defend themselves and likely wont be open to discussion because they do not want to be persecuted be people that are short sighted. I know i for one wouldnt we the reactions of quite a few people here. You labeled them then you say that you wont accept some things unless they come forward to defend themselves basically. There isnt a legal issue here and as a psychologist (if you really are) then you understand the need for the person roleplaying the child to do so.

To label it as wrong is a bit off for a psychologist as your not really allowed to form that opinion in the work area. Its no different from real life age play and yet you try to play it like it is. You havent talked to an age-player in SL and i doubt you have had contact with an age player in real life for that matter. You dont know what the community is about even though you have been told numerous times by people what it is. Even provided a Link to what it was about and yet you still dont see that your argument for it is plainly moot. These people arnt fanatical about their fetish they do it from time to time. I partake in some sexual aspects of SL but im not sitting there all day having sex. Alot of them are very productive and you labeling them as pedophiles straight out was just off.

It hurts their standing in SL and is slanderous to the entire community of Age-players both in real life and in SL. And Like sunspot im not defending age-play per say. Im defending peoples right to live how they want in SL and do what they like in private. The age play community doesnt force you to watch them do it. So in all honesty get over it. If you dont like it dont get involved with it simple as that.

Mind you if you even search age play in SL it says you must be an adult to join the groups. There is also a bdsm guide to SL I'd reccomend you go read it an aqquaint yourself a little more with how they operate..

I am not referring to you Lina. I am talking about the posters who twist the facts to their own needs in an attempt to restrict the free speech and expressions of others. Somehow this makes them feel better about themselves I guess. There is nothing quite like shouting "oh the poor chldren" and then following it with total nonsense.

There is a difference. In secondlife, when roleplaying you appear as a child. In real life like someone else already stated, you don't take on a 4 ft child appearance or shorter do you? In SL you are simulating sex with a child avatar. It would be exactly the same if an avatar was apparently an adult form wearing schoolgirl skirts and roleplaying.

Can you see the difference or are we going to go five pages down and then you bring up this point again so I can repeat the same information and a neverending story is born?

Try telling that to children that were molested and hurt emotionally, mentally and physically over it and try to make it out as no big deal. I'm sure they would understand. Oh it's no big deal kid, it's just a lifestyle![/QUOTE

You just proved my point.

Sorry I somehow messed up the quote thingy.

Yes I did.

If someone were to build a sim that revolved around the holocaust, would there be an outrage? If someone were to make light of the holocaust as though it were no big deal, would jews just laugh and shrug it off?

If someone were to build a community for the KKK in secondlife, would there not be an outrage? Would it be allowed?

Doesn't it seem that Second Life has taken one side of what is deemed offensive when something like performing sexual acts on a child avatar could be considered as offensive and distrubing?

Try telling that to children that were molested and hurt emotionally, mentally and physically over it and try to make it out as no big deal. I'm sure they would understand. Oh it's no big deal kid, it's just a lifestyle!

Try telling that to children that were molested and hurt emotionally, mentally and physically over it and try to make it out as no big deal. I'm sure they would understand. Oh it's no big deal kid, it's just a lifestyle!

Try telling that to children that were molested and hurt emotionally, mentally and physically over it and try to make it out as no big deal. I'm sure they would understand. Oh it's no big deal kid, it's just a lifestyle!

Yes I did.

If someone were to build a sim that revolved around the holocaust, would there be an outrage? If someone were to make light of the holocaust as though it were no big deal, would jews just laugh and shrug it off?

If someone were to build a community for the KKK in secondlife, would there not be an outrage? Would it be allowed?

Doesn't it seem that Second Life has taken one side of what is deemed offensive when something like performing sexual acts on a child avatar could be considered as offensive and distrubing?

No children have been hurt over age-play. As i have stated before the age-play community frowns on pedophelia and child molestation and are often advocates against such things. Its not a life style to go harm a real child it is a life style to play out a fantasy with another adult.

KKK and racism are not role-playing the Holocaust is not roleplaying . Ageplay is role playing get that through your head.

Yes I did.

If someone were to build a sim that revolved around the holocaust, would there be an outrage? If someone were to make light of the holocaust as though it were no big deal, would jews just laugh and shrug it off?

If someone were to build a community for the KKK in secondlife, would there not be an outrage? Would it be allowed?

Doesn't it seem that Second Life has taken one side of what is deemed offensive when something like performing sexual acts on a child avatar could be considered as offensive and distrubing?

Then the adult female can be an adult size and still ageplay right?

Anything in this game can be roleplaying. Someone can create an entire roleplaying community sim that revolved around the holocaust era and have nazi's or people roleplaying the jews.

People can roleplay being ku klux klan members or roleplay the victims.

Then the adult female can be an adult size and still ageplay right?

But the fact remains that those are disciminatory groups who sought out and persecuted an entire group of people. Much like your doing. They have killed people where as age play is a harmless fantasy. The adult female could play a full sized av but thats not the point of age play. Its to play a certain age and in SL you can actually play that age. What you state is vastly different but your to short sighted in to many aspects to even realize the comparrison between what you said and age play. Age play isnt targeting a set group of people persecuting them for their beliefs and then possibly killing them for their beliefs your comparrison is heavily off base.

The point is that everyone has their limits and isn't completely tolerant of all forms of offensive content. You are defending the rights to ageplay but not so quick to defend the rights of those who want to roleplay on an issue that you don't agree with. It was an attempt to get you to understand using what you deem inappropriate at all costs no matter if it's roleplay of what it must be like from my point of view.

It's normal to have limits and guidelines. Different levels of tolerance. Tolerating one form of offensive content involving sex with a child avatar to the point of it not being a bannable offense meanwhile you don't know who's sitting behind the screen and their true intentions while it's a bannable offense to even wear nazi symbols is sending the message that pedophilia is okay while racism is not so you are picking and choosing a team while wagging your finger at all of those who get in your opinion the wrong impression of sex with a child avatar which is also offensive content but not a bannable offense.

Then you get the whole "well if it's on their private land, it's none of our business" but if a nazi camp were on someone's private land, all hell would break loose correct?

Eitheer Second Life should tolerate all aspects of offensive nature or quit being selective and targetting one form of offensive content while turning the cheek towards several others which one being against the law in America. In Germany, video games are banned if nazi images are displayed but if I remember correctly, Lindens Labs is in San Francisco. I'm not sure how lax the laws in California are regarding child pornography.

Would you believe it took me two hours to write that? ^_^ I had to repeatedly edit it to get rid of the more sarcastic, biting, aggravating, emotional remarks. Not to mention, trying to simplify it to make it more understandable to anyone who has at least completed highschool.

Now back to lurking. I have said all I have to say in the matter.

*stealthly disappears into the forum threads like a ninja! Ninja Lolita~!*

The comparrison is moot in and of the fact of what your trying to base it on. First off anti-semetic/racist activities are not allowed anywhere. Ageplay role playing is allowed in the real world. This for the last time has NOTHING to do with child pornography yet you keep trying to bring it up as if it was. Games with nazi images are banned because of the offensive nature to so many groups. Racism and roleplay are completely different.
Disgust agaisnt role play is a personal preference where as racism effects an entire group of people.

And you are doing the same things the nazi's did without the murdering. Your persecuting people for something they do. Simply labeling them and saying everyone the practices sexual age play is a pedophile. Your totally off base with your comparrison as i stated earlier. And you need to get help if you actually think this is child porn and any psychologist the world over could tell you that there is nothing wrong with it. Some would even call it a healthy expression for them to persue. You are by no means a psychologist and a fraud at best.