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Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???

Sunspot Pixie
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08-09-2006 21:53
From: Damien Skolem
Equating? They are two different things however both offensive content that aren't deemed appropriate in rl societies true or false?
False. There is no ageplay avsex in RL, and avatars are not real people. :rolleyes:

Futhermore, YOU say it's offensive. I am talking about what LL deems offensive. "Broadly offensive" is the phrase they use with respect to Nazi and KKK iconography. I would HARDLY consider ageplay sex in SL broadly offensive, simply because it's not pushed in our faces like the racist stuff would be. That is the WHOLE POINT of racist imagery -- to intimidate those they don't want to live amongst. That is hardly the point of avsex ageplayers.


From: Damien Skolem
Racist sims are not allowed however ageplay sims are allowed with a shushed type of mind your own business approach.
You show me an ageplay avsex sim, and I will show you a den of arctic foxes in the Chihuahua desert. You keep employing hyperbole and hypotheticals, and I will keep being part of the team that dismantles your ridiculous assertions.
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08-09-2006 21:56
From: Sunspot Pixie
False. There is no ageplay avsex in RL, and avatars are not real people. :rolleyes:

Futhermore, YOU say it's offensive. I am talking about what LL deems offensive. "Broadly offensive" is the phrase they use with respect to Nazi and KKK iconography. I would HARDLY consider ageplay sex in SL broadly offensive, simply because it's not pushed in our faces like the racist stuff would be. That is the WHOLE POINT of racist imagery -- to intimidate those they don't want to live amongst. That is hardly the point of avsex ageplayers.


You show me an ageplay avsex sim, and I will show you a den of arctic foxes in teh Chihuahua desert. You keep employing hyperbole and hypotheticals, and I will keep being part of the team that dismantles your ridiculous assertions.


Someone already mentioned racist sims are not allowed and neither are racist symbols but if ageplay is allowed then why wouldnt an ageplay sim?
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Lina Pussycat
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08-09-2006 22:02
From: Damien Skolem
Someone already mentioned racist sims are not allowed and neither are racist symbols but if ageplay is allowed then why wouldnt an ageplay sim?


We arnt saying they arnt allowed just that they dont exist. Because of the way people involved in age-play conduct themselves they are very private about it.
Phedre Aquitaine
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08-09-2006 22:03
Congratulations, you have godwinned the thread to DEATH.

IT IS NO MORE.

IT HAS CEASED TO BE.
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Sunspot Pixie
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08-09-2006 22:04
From: Damien Skolem
Someone already mentioned racist sims are not allowed and neither are racist symbols but if ageplay is allowed then why wouldnt an ageplay sim?

What would be wrong with an ageplay sim? Or an ageplay av sex sim for that matter? It would be a private estate sim. You don't have to go there, nor does anyone else.

Look, you really need to understand that KKK and Nazi stuff is broadly offensive to many people, and that while people having avsex ageplay in their own areas may offend YOU, it's certainly not broadly offensive.
Allana Dion
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08-09-2006 22:14
Well Damien I give you credit for certainly being skilled at ignoring the things that don't fit with your personal established view... so repeating myself in the hopes you'll catch it this time.
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From: Allana Dion

B) I really would like to see you write here your definition of real life (not SL) ageplay. I would say don't google it, but maybe you should first because your impression seems to be a bit off.

C) Ageplay (real life) is not against the law, in fact it is a recognized fetish akin to say a foot fetish or domination/submission.

D) The laws in california on child pornography are not applied to ageplay as the law recognizes that there are no actual children involved. It is against the law in the state of california (I live there) to create or distribute sexually explicit images of either actual children or of digital images that are indistinguishable from those of actual children. In other words if you can look at a second life avatar and not be able to tell the difference between that and a picture of a real child, THEN and only then would it be illegal.
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Marcuw Schnook
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08-10-2006 00:12
From: Phedre Aquitaine
Hell, if I broke my skull again I might be able to comprehend the "logic" used by some of the posters to this thread.


Maybe you would, but they aren't worth the pain :)
/hands bandage
just in case...
Marcuw Schnook
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08-10-2006 00:17
From: Jalestra Calamari
I'm pretty tolerant, and believe me I'm not off to yell ban anyone within range, however I do believe in tolerance within respectable limits and I must say that this definitely exceeds those limits. To me it DOES say something about the personality of an adult who wants sex with a child, even it's "just pixels". I know that is definitely someone I don't want around my children. However, there's nothing to be done about it in SL, so I stay away. NOt that I've seen it mind you..but if I did, I'd leave, quietly, disgusted, but quietly.

But could someone PLEASE explain to me something: Isn't an ageplayer different from a sex-ageplayer and if so could everyone please stick to those definitions. Because quite frankly I can't tell who's just an idiot and who's just using the convenient term. I myself run around in a child av occasionally, I've found it a great way to capture the childhood I wasn't permitted. I go play tag, and ride the carousels, and generally act a fool..cuz well, I'm a kid LOL However I'd mute the first person that proposed any kind of sex with that av. Of course, I mute people that propose any sex with me, but that's a whole 'nother point. lol


Bingo... We've got a winner.. An age-player.

Unfortunately a lot of people do not understand what gives you the pleasure of doing that.

It's the same with you and others not understanding what gives some the pleasure af being a sex-age-player (is that a good word?, dictionary someone) and having sex with an adult av (both played by CONSENTUAL RL ADULTS).

It wouldn't be my preference either, but I can somehow understand why some people would like it. *shrugs* It doesnt mean I should be judgemental! Contrary like some of the people in here.
Marcuw Schnook
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08-10-2006 00:48
From: Roseann Flora
Having thoughts of sex with children is wrong ....jesus fucking christ get some help already!!!

Yes. So is thinking about murder then. Or thinking about blowing up some place. Or thinking about raping someone. Or thinking about banging an animal. Or thinking about streaking on the tennis court...

Get a grip. Thoughts are private. They may not enter "normal" peoples heads, but as long as thoughts STAY thoughts, no harm is done.
Marcuw Schnook
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08-10-2006 00:52
From: Decadent Rothschild
Personally, I think the only offensive thing about this is the presumed correlation between the molestation of -children- and two consenting -adults- acting out the fantasies of one or both in a safe and (generally) open environment.

I find that to be incredibly offensive on a lot of levels, but I doubt that people will stop making the connection.

QFE!
aEoLuS Waves
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report it to a "anti pedophile group" and show them Second life and see what they
08-10-2006 00:55
Still the best thing to do is to report those sick people to LindenLab and to your local agancy. Mabey better is to report it to a "anti pedophile group" too and show them Second life and see what they think about this. In the Netherlands it is actual forbidden so if you see someone from the Netherlands humping a child AV then you can report it as a crime. Now must confess that the local police would look at you as if your from another planet but they will take this child porn thing very serious. There is even a workgroup on it.

We have a strange country anyway did you know that we have a political party here that is pro-pedophile? Yes really, those sick people want to lower the law/age to have sex with children. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partij_voor_Naastenliefde,_Vrijheid_en_Diversiteit). Some defenders of having sex with av-childs could join them and/or write your stories for them. I am sure that club welcomes your points of view for defending their rights.

Never the less: Sick ppl that do this (adults humping child avatars) need all the help they can get. Its a sickness (illness?) and with a good medical attention/treatment they should get over it.

If you need help dont hesitate to consult your doctor. I am sure he can help you.

Time to walk to the coffeeshop to buy some weed.

Type and read you later!
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Allana Dion
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08-10-2006 01:08
From: aEoLuS Waves
Still the best thing to do is to report those sick people to LindenLab and to your local agancy. Mabey better is to report it to a "anti pedophile group" too and show them Second life and see what they think about this. In the Netherlands it is actual forbidden so if you see someone from the Netherlands humping a child AV then you can report it as a crime. Now must confess that the local police would look at you as if your from another planet
Looking at you like you're from another planet is all they'll do. It doesn't matter what the laws are elsewhere (though I'm fairly certain you're incorrect) LL is located in the United States, california specifically. They are required only to follow their own local laws for the most part. In the US it is only considered child pornography if the image shown is so close to looking like a real child that a normal person could not tell the difference. If you believe that avatars in second life really look like real life children, then I suggest you get your vision checked.
If you do file reports one of two things will happen, depending on the politeness level of who you are talking to:
1) They will nod politely, listen to the information and toss it aside when you leave the room.
2) Or they will listen to the information, inform you of the laws and tell you that you are wasting their time.

"anti pedophile groups" are not interested in investigating ageplay fetishists. They are busy looking for adults who seek out real live children to victimize. Perhaps since you are so clearly passionate about this issue, and thats a fine thing, you should consider using all that passion and free time to join one of those groups and actually fight a more useful battle.
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aEoLuS Waves
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08-10-2006 01:17
From: Allana Dion
"anti pedophile groups" are not interested in investigating ageplay fetishists. They are busy looking for adults who seek out real live children to victimize.
Well thats where you are so wrong. I am sure those groups are interested in these cases. These same excuses where about IRC, and websites that showed pictures of these sick acts..

From: Allana Dion
Perhaps since you are so clearly passionate about this issue, and thats a fine thing, you should consider using all that passion and free time to join one of those groups and actually fight a more useful battle.
If you are in the Netherlands feel free to join: Meldpunt kinderporno: http://www.meldpunt.org/default.htm :-)
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Marcuw Schnook
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08-10-2006 01:18
From: aEoLuS Waves

If you need help dont hesitate to consult your doctor. I am sure he can help you.

Time to walk to the coffeeshop to buy some weed.

Type and read you later!

I'd say, take your own advise.. Someone who uses weed is not healthy :P

Your whole post is nothing more then stirring up and completely unrelated, making wild acusations and stupid assumptions...
Please take some more weed and go live in your own fantasy world.


Maybe I should start a campain: "OMG I saw someon smoking weed, It's illegal. ban them " as well (because I do NOT like weed/drugs at all)..

And welcome to my ignore list too.
aEoLuS Waves
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08-10-2006 01:28
From: Marcuw Schnook
I'd say, take your own advise.. Someone who uses weed is not healthy :P

Your whole post is nothing more then stirring up and completely unrelated, making wild acusations and stupid assumptions...
Please take some more weed and go live in your own fantasy world.


Maybe I should start a campain: "OMG I saw someon smoking weed, It's illegal. ban them " as well (because I do NOT like weed/drugs at all)..

And welcome to my ignore list too.


Did I stand on your foot with my sarcastic remark? Think so...

hehehehe ;-)

But I wont ignore you, Thats the problem. Ignoring makes it ok. And it is not, its a sickness that needs medical attention.
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Roseann Flora
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08-10-2006 01:36
From: Marcuw Schnook
Yes. So is thinking about murder then. Or thinking about blowing up some place. Or thinking about raping someone. Or thinking about banging an animal. Or thinking about streaking on the tennis court...

Get a grip. Thoughts are private. They may not enter "normal" peoples heads, but as long as thoughts STAY thoughts, no harm is done.



maybe it's time for your meds.
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Lorelei Patel
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08-10-2006 01:37
From: aEoLuS Waves
But I wont ignore you, Thats the problem. Ignoring makes it ok. And it is not, its a sickness that needs medical attention.


Same can be said of those with histrionic personality disorders.
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Allana Dion
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08-10-2006 01:38
From: aEoLuS Waves
Well thats where you are so wrong. I am sure those groups are interested in these cases. These same excuses where about IRC, and websites that showed pictures of these sick acts..

If you are in the Netherlands feel free to join: Meldpunt kinderporno: http://www.meldpunt.org/default.htm :-)

*siggghhh* I give up.
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aEoLuS Waves
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08-10-2006 01:44
From: Lorelei Patel
Same can be said of those with histrionic personality disorders.
yes you are so right with that. Clever girl!
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aEoLuS Waves
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08-10-2006 01:49
Funny we are almost 66 pages further and chit chatting about things that are less then 1% of SL. If we would use the energie to complain that hard about bugs then mabey we would actualy get some fixed..
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Sunspot Pixie
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08-10-2006 01:54
From: aEoLuS Waves
Funny we are almost 66 pages further and chit chatting about things that are less then 1% of SL. If we would use the energie to complain that hard about bugs then mabey we would actualy get some fixed..

Wisest thing you've said yet.
aEoLuS Waves
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08-10-2006 01:58
From: Sunspot Pixie
Wisest thing you've said yet.
Wish I could say the same from your posts..
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Marcuw Schnook
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08-10-2006 02:02
From: Roseann Flora
maybe it's time for your meds.

Thank you for your concern but I don't them.

You however could use some dose of the drug called "Reality"...
aEoLuS Waves
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See yah laters all the best!
08-10-2006 02:08
Well reading the last posts and the way we answer (me too) , time to stop for me here before it runs out of controll again (been there done that ;-) ).

Wish the ppl that are against av-child sex all the luck and the defenders a lot of wisdom.

See yah laters all the best!
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Sunspot Pixie
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08-10-2006 02:13
From: aEoLuS Waves
Wish I could say the same from your posts..

I know you are, but what am I? :rolleyes:

I hope you get suspended again.

Yeah, I read about that Mr. Obsessive, "I have no self-control so I start multiple threads crying about ageplayers even though I have been warned not to do it anymore". And look where you're headed again... You've got such a hard on for the subject I really have to wonder about YOU.

Now go play tattle-tale some more. Call the FBI, call Scotland yard, call child porn watch groups. Busybody. I've never seen a Dutch person act so closed minded before. There's a first time for everything I suppose.
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