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Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???

Maeve Morgan
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08-08-2006 10:43
If we follow the logic here, 90% of cartoons should be illegal, what with all the sex and killing and stuff, won't someone please think of the cartoons maimed for life for our enjoyment???

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Vudu Suavage
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08-08-2006 10:46
From: Pilman Karski
It is exploitation of children and wrong, even you should know that.


Television commercials are exploitation of children; ageplay is not. There are no children involved, and no attempt made to involve children. In fact, it is purposefully undertaken in an environment where no children are present. You don't know what's going on in IM, much less behind either of those keyboards. Maybe it's some deep roleplay drawing on childhood trauma and unacceptable urges, or maybe they're peering through their fingers, simultaneously cringing and laughing, and maybe patting themselves on the back for fearlessly assailing the taboo. Seems to me the least likely option is they're trying to convince themselves it's a real child. If that's what they were after, they'd do much better on AIM.
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Mickey McLuhan
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08-08-2006 10:48
How do you harm a child's image?

Did I miss the memo stating that pictures can feel pain now?

No one tells me anything...
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Pilman Karski
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08-08-2006 11:00
From: Mickey McLuhan
How do you harm a child's image?

Did I miss the memo stating that pictures can feel pain now?

No one tells me anything...


You may not think it's harming someone, even if it's not there is still a law against this.

18 U.S.C. 1466A – OBSCENE VISUAL REPRESENTATIONS OF THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN

It is forbidden to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with the intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting
Bree Giffen
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08-08-2006 11:02
Wow this topic just keeps going and going.

On one hand you have people who have the moral authority of protecting children. I can see the viewpoint of people here who wouldn't want to have a child molested and wouldn't want to to encourage or even acquiesce to a pedophile or any person with the slightest sexual inclination to children.

On the other hand you have people who have the moral authority of protecting freedom. I can also see the viewpoint of people who want to protect the freedom here no matter what that freedom gives rise to. The best way to get rid of freedom is to chip it away bit by bit and that's what these people are trying to stop.

Therein lies the tragedy of this thread.
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08-08-2006 11:07
From: Pilman Karski
You may not think it's harming someone, even if it's not there is still a law against this.

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Therefore if someone were indeed having sex with the rendering of a child avatar it would be illegal under United States Federal law. Anyone that experienced this first hand I would recommend writing a report.

Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition (2002)
Mentioned earlier in this thread, go look it up.
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Lorelei Patel
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08-08-2006 11:09
From: Vudu Suavage
Television commercials are exploitation of children


Good point.
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Lorelei Patel
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08-08-2006 11:11
From: Pilman Karski
Therefore if someone were indeed having sex with the rendering of a child avatar it would be illegal under United States Federal law. Anyone that experienced this first hand I would recommend writing a report.


Didn't you get the memo? Challenged in court and overturned. The image must be indistinguishable from a real child to apply. Are you seriously telling me you've been on SL and actually been confused as to whether what's on the screen is a real person or a cartoon?
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Phedre Aquitaine
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08-08-2006 11:20
From: Lorelei Patel
Didn't you get the memo? Challenged in court and overturned. The image must be indistinguishable from a real child to apply. Are you seriously telling me you've been on SL and actually been confused as to whether what's on the screen is a real person or a cartoon?


I've been confused by childishness content of this thread...
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Mickey McLuhan
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08-08-2006 11:29
From: Pilman Karski
You may not think it's harming someone, even if it's not there is still a law against this.

18 U.S.C. 1466A – OBSCENE VISUAL REPRESENTATIONS OF THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN

It is forbidden to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with the intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting



First off... as has been said above. You're incorrect.

Secondly...

nonononono... what you said was, and I quote,

From: Pilman Karski

Who said anyone had the freedom to go and kill someone? Right to self defense is one thing but overall a bit of common sense. What right does anyone have to exploit a child or harm a childs image? No one has the right to hurt the image of a child by exploiting them in a sexual matter to feed their lust.

Emphasis mine.

Those were your exact words.
So I ask again. How, exactly do you harm a child or hurt the image of a child.
How?
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Lorelei Patel
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08-08-2006 11:29
From: Phedre Aquitaine
I've been confused by childishness content of this thread...



Erm... me? :confused:

But, eh, I was just thinking that I'm going to get a concussion if I keep this up.
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
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08-08-2006 11:31
/stabs self in eyeballs with dull pencil

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Joy Honey
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08-08-2006 11:32
From: Lorelei Patel
Erm... me? :confused:

But, eh, I was just thinking that I'm going to get a concussion if I keep this up.


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Lorelei Patel
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08-08-2006 11:34
I hearby hijack this thread in the name of brain injuries.

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Lina Pussycat
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08-08-2006 11:38
I think Pilman completely misses the point that im not talking about children. Im talking about two consenting adults partaking in something that is totally legal and has no recourse of being pedophelic or abuse or a child or the image of a child. The law in 2002 overturned much of the arguments. Its not even about protecting children in this argument at all its the fact that these are all adults not children. If SL was open for everyone to join this grid and teens were not banned then your argument would have some validity, but people under 18 are not to be on this grid.

It is partially about protecting someones freedoms here though as it is two consenting adults. Its not the image of a real child being used. Get to know some age players and find out what they are about before you start assuming the worst of them though you have no clue what its about at all. And while there may be people out there with urges for it in real life I think its better that they have something like SL where its gotten out there on an adult rather then in the real world taken out on a child. If a real life child was involved here i'd have a problem and a rather serious problem as would most of the people here, but dont confuse SL and RL because they are not even close to the same thing. Very few things cross over from SL into real life (business on occasion and mabye some relationships) but aside from that really not much crosses it. Most people keep their SL and their RL seperate.

I dont support pedophiles nor do i think its right in the real world or on chat clients were many underage children are, but we are in a world with age players where everyone is supposed to be an adult. If a kid is here they lied, punish the kid then not the other person.
Phedre Aquitaine
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08-08-2006 12:08
A postcard is not a mountain.
A painting is not a bubbling brook.
A recording is not an orchestra.

I am not my av.
I am not a furry.
I am not a coyote.
I am not a spirit wyrmling.
I am not over six feet tall.

I find it odd that you cannot tell the difference between a child and an adult playing one.

You must be fun at school plays.
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Fallon Darling
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08-08-2006 12:14
well, with no verification required any longer, there is really no way to *prove* that anyone is the required age on the mature grid.

That said, I tend to take the stance of "innocent until proven guilty", and assume that anyone playing on the mature grid is of age (even if not maturity level).

This is a tricky subject, as I have two daughters and one was stalked via the game Everquest several years ago when she was underage. Nothing happend to her, the police were involved, and they took care of it in his state.

On the other hand, I dislike censorship, and police-state attitudes. And.. what two consenting adults do with their online time, is their business. Maybe she likes being "daddy's little girl", even though she is 42... fact is.. you do not know...

I agree with the above ppl who asked why you were poking around their house. If it looks residential, assume it is and respect the locked door and dont go peering in windows. We have enough people in the real world trying to take away our privacy, thanks much.
Jesse Malthus
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08-08-2006 12:15
This isn't 4chan, but:
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
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08-08-2006 12:17
so im swamped here at work, and i can't help but go and check all silly threads..

and this one i feel needs to be derailed, as Lorelei Patel mentioned..

so... /twirls hair

i almost got my nails nice and even, so im packing boxes last night, and guess what?!?! yup, i broke my pinky nail... now if i break a nail its no big deal, but packign boxes?! give me a break.. meh

ok so that brings me to nails and my avi... so how do i get nails on her? i know ppl have mentioned it before but i didn't pay attention cause i didn't care than.. /twirls hair
so really?
oh oh and i want a nice french manicure or something
:D
VolatileWhimsy Bu
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08-08-2006 12:19
and i've decided that i might want to try the life of a squatter, how bout i put eveyrthing out than when i log i stick everything in my inventory

hey how bout i build a house and link the house and the furniture together, than i can find a nice sandbox and that can be my house? i might want to get locking doors... can ppl get through locked doors at?
Lorelei Patel
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08-08-2006 12:19
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
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08-08-2006 12:21
oh oh and that made me think about dogs.. i want a guard dog that will go and attack people while im not on my land... the people behind me i am not to sure what to think of htem...

they built plywood.. -.- but im hoping they will cover it soon, surely right.. well i put a wall up and made it invisible on one side and made it phantom so they can't complain
wich makes me think of something else.. lol

so some seller has all this sell stuff in the middle of a resdential area, and it borders my land, is it toooooooooooo mean of me to put up a wall in front of it, but its clear on their side and not on my side, its phantom as well.
Juro Kothari
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08-08-2006 12:22
It's pretty clear that some people don't understand the concept of "ROLEPLAY".
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08-08-2006 12:22
From: Lorelei Patel


so, i was wondering how do they really test to see if someone has whiplash? i mean you check by the dialation of the eyes, but is there anythign else.. really?
VolatileWhimsy Bu
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08-08-2006 12:23
ok, i can't go any more, my head hurts now..
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