The minor I met was pretending to be twenty and came off more like twenty-five, had an adult avatar and was surprisingly erudite.
Did you cyber w/him? Have you cybered in SL ever?
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Juro Kothari
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08-09-2006 00:24
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 00:25
Did you actually read the summary of the bill you referenced? I could find no mention of computerized depictions. If it's there, please point it out to me. Re-read the entire bill, paying close attention to all clauses. You will likely find this very clearly written, even a search would have returned your query. |
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Marcuw Schnook
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08-09-2006 00:31
I think the bigger picture that you all seem to be overlookijng is that the child avatar may well BE a child, or at the very least under 18 years old. Remember, Linden Labs removed any sort of credit card requirement or age verification on the adult grid back in June, just as all the little kiddies were getting out of school. They've had all summer to create as many free accounts as they want to make, and the e-mail address they give doesn't even have to be real. Try it.. you can pop out 50 alts in an hour.. free. Agree that this is a problem that should be addressed asap. The main grid should be adult only, verified and checked in some means. That said, this game just became open season for pedophiles, which is probably why all these ageplay groups are suddenly popping up in the first place. It's twisted, wrong, and no mature adult should have to be exposed to that here or anywhere else. And here I both disagree and agree. Age play existed before this. So it's not new. Exposing is indeed something different; Looking for it (as the OP seem to have done) is his own fault: privacy laws should apply to virtual environments too, if normal laws would be apliccable. So being the wiling/looking voyeur only to watch age-play or any kind of play you personally dislike, then there is only one to blame: yourself. |
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Cherokee Darling
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08-09-2006 00:32
Well, I have had VERY short AV's before and have been mistaken as a child many times. But to my knowledge, The 2 games (teen version and adult version) donot cross. Teenagers are kept to the Teen version and adults to the adult version. So, basically, these 2 AV's must have been adults. Actually, and please dont flame me....I DO NOT LISTEN IN TO OTHER PEOPLES CONVERSATIONS ON PURPOSE BUT...being as the chat is open and when I was on my own property...my neighbor whom I was having a feud with because of his unsightly looking "house"...I was attempting to put a barrier on my property line so I would not have to see his house...here comes this chat from him and a friend of his...they were discussing being "bi" and how they were both 15 years old....YES I did log out at that time and busied myself in rl , since I was definitely not interested but not before this popped up. REASON I am posting this is because it would seem that there are people younger then 18 years old in this game. NO NO NO I did not report them...it is not my business...its their parents business. How they got on at 15 I dont know, assuming they really were 15 and not just sending stuf over the chat to be funny--it is another possiblilty however I doubt it, actually I think they did not realize they were close enough to my property for the chat to show up near me OR maybe they didnt care. But think about it, if they were 15 and in the adult SL, then eventually there may be some very BIG problems here. IMHO |
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Lorelei Patel
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08-09-2006 00:33
Re-read the entire bill, paying close attention to all clauses. You will likely find this very clearly written, even a search would have returned your query. I did a search. If you know where it is, tell me. eta: any mention I find that would remotely comes close specifies "an actual human." _____________________
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Phedre Aquitaine
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08-09-2006 00:42
Did you cyber w/him? Have you cybered in SL ever? *blinks* Business yours what is it? _____________________
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 00:42
I did a search. If you know where it is, tell me. What words did you search for? What you need to look for is "simulated", it would return the instances where such acts are mentioned. This law prohibits "visual depictions of simulated sexually explicit conduct". This can come in the form of 2D (lolicon cartoons), and 3D (SL child avatar sex). Already a number of lolicon sites have brought up disclaimers, and new rules or even totally taking them offline. For instance hongfire.com (Owner: Someone who played Lineage 2 with me, but when found out advocated child porn, we had him ridiculed and removed from that community), has a new rule posted about this. |
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 00:43
I did a search. If you know where it is, tell me. eta: any mention I find that would remotely comes close specifies "an actual human." I'm sorry but you failed to read it properly then, try again as suggested above. |
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PetGirl Bergman
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08-09-2006 00:43
I am 29.. soon 30..
Is it the sex laws in SF I must follow in SL? Not where I live? No I am not into children or teenagers but I am curios about what laws that rules my sex life in SL.. /Tina _____________________
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Lorelei Patel
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08-09-2006 00:45
I'm sorry but you failed to read it properly then, try again as suggested above. For the second time, I did. If you cannot point me out to what you're talking about, I'll assume that you have not done as you yourself suggested. _____________________
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 00:47
I am 29.. soon 30.. Is it the sex laws in SF I must follow in SL? Not where I live? No I am not into children or teenagers but I am curios about what laws that rules my sex life in SL.. /Tina This law does not involve you since you are in Sweden, look up local laws on it. But any party living in the US preforming such activites with you would fall under this law. Any law that's a US law SHOULD be followed by Linden Labs. Linden Labs has a legal obligation as a coporation to make sure all US laws are followed. Which would result in the banning of age-play as given. If they actually did follow US laws, if not till such time as someone sues them. |
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 00:49
I'm sorry but you failed to read it properly then, try again as suggested above. I'm assuming you are trolling now: I'll quote myself. "visual depictions of simulated sexually explicit conduct". This is from the law itself. verbatim. Good Luck. |
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Lorelei Patel
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08-09-2006 00:51
I'm assuming you are trolling now: I'll quote myself. . This is from the law itself. verbatim. Good Luck. Back atcha. Helps if you read it in context: IN GENERAL.--Chapter 110 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 2257 the following: ``SEC. 2257A. RECORD KEEPING REQUIREMENTS FOR SIMULATED SEXUAL CONDUCT. ``(a) Whoever produces any book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, digital image, digitally- or computer-manipulated image of an actual human being, picture, or other matter that-- ``(1) contains 1 or more visual depictions of simulated sexu- ally explicit conduct; and ``(2) is produced in whole or in part with materials which have been mailed or shipped in interstate or foreign commerce, or is shipped or transported or is intended for shipment or transportation in interstate or foreign commerce; shall create and maintain individually identifiable records per- taining to every performer portrayed in such a visual depiction. _____________________
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 00:53
Back atcha. Helps if you read it in context: IN GENERAL.--Chapter 110 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 2257 the following: ``SEC. 2257A. RECORD KEEPING REQUIREMENTS FOR SIMULATED SEXUAL CONDUCT. ``(a) Whoever produces any book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, digital image, digitally- or computer-manipulated image of an actual human being, picture, or other matter that-- ``(1) contains 1 or more visual depictions of simulated sexu- ally explicit conduct; and ``(2) is produced in whole or in part with materials which have been mailed or shipped in interstate or foreign commerce, or is shipped or transported or is intended for shipment or transportation in interstate or foreign commerce; shall create and maintain individually identifiable records per- taining to every performer portrayed in such a visual depiction. "or other matter". ) contains 1 or more visual depictions of simulated sexu- ally explicit conduct; and ...  (1) The provisions of this section and section 2257 shallnot apply to matter, or any image therein, containing one or more visual depictions of simulated sexually explicit conduct, or actual sexually explicit conduct as described in clause (v) of section 2256(2) You did not go beyond the first search. You fail at the internet. Keep hitting F3. My question to you is, What is "visual depiction of simulated sexually explict conduct" ? |
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Juro Kothari
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08-09-2006 00:53
*blinks* Business yours what is it? Sorry to put you on the spot, Phedre - I was attempting to make a point that you cannot trust that anyone you're cybering with is an adult. Unless, of course, you've met them IRL. _____________________
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Lorelei Patel
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08-09-2006 00:55
"or other matter". ) contains 1 or more visual depictions of simulated sexu- ally explicit conduct; and You did not go beyond the first search. You fail at the internet. Keep hitting F3. ... right, and they went through the trouble before that of specifying it applied to images of actual human beings. _____________________
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 00:56
... right, and they went through the trouble before that of specifying it applied to images of actual human beings. I give up. |
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Phedre Aquitaine
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08-09-2006 00:58
Sorry to put you on the spot, Phedre - I was attempting to make a point that you cannot trust that anyone you're cybering with is an adult. Unless, of course, you've met them IRL. Which is why my husband is now my partner ISL. (I checked his ID.) Sorry, I just was a little taken aback. I understand your point, though. (For the record, the minor? My partner until I found out. Now he is not. Most assuredly not so.) _____________________
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Flavian Molinari
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08-09-2006 00:58
I'm assuming you are trolling now: I'll quote myself. . This is from the law itself. verbatim. Good Luck. Wrom, I read this also. You are wrong and a fear monger. Pull the stick out of your ass and do a search of Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition. |
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Marcuw Schnook
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08-09-2006 00:59
This law does not involve you since you are in Sweden, look up local laws on it. But any party living in the US preforming such activites with you would fall under this law. Any law that's a US law SHOULD be followed by Linden Labs. Linden Labs has a legal obligation as a coporation to make sure all US laws are followed. Which would result in the banning of age-play as given. If they actually did follow US laws, if not till such time as someone sues them. To be on a sharp edge her, but actually LL is NOT the performer of the activities. Another human being is. So if both participants would be Swedish, it wouldn not involve them NOR LL. |
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 01:06
Wrom, I read this also. You are wrong and a fear monger. Pull the stick out of your ass and do a search of Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition. Since you asked nicely, In Regard to the question you implied: Sec. 1466A. Obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children `(a) IN GENERAL- Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that-- `(1)(A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and `(B) is obscene; or `(2)(A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and `(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value; or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A(b)(1), including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction. |
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Lorelei Patel
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08-09-2006 01:07
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Flavian Molinari
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08-09-2006 01:14
Since you asked nicely, In Regard to the question you implied: Did you read the part where the law was struck down because it's overbroad and unconstitutional? |
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 01:15
Did you read the part where the law was struck down because it's overbroad and unconstitutional? Yes, this is what I'm pointing out, this law overrides what you mentioned as quoted by me. |
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Lorelei Patel
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08-09-2006 01:17
You would need a constitutional amendment to override something the USSC deemed unconstitutional, no? A simple law wouldn't do the trick.
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