Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-09-2006 08:25
From: Mondo Kongo What? Furries- Walking around i a fur suit... not illegal if in RL Mechas- What ever thay do.... not illegal if in RL Opposite sex- People do that everyday... not illegal if in RL young adults playing older... so.... not illegal if in RL Disabled- Thank god for SL it great for them!..... not illegal if in RL
Picking up a child and having sex with them... see you in 20 years if you survive in the "Pen" !
Apples and Oranges man, Apples and Oranges. Adults dressing as children ...not illegal if in RL. Adults having sex with other adults dressed as children...not illegal if in RL. Adult Man dressed in nappies?......priceless 
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Nimil Blackflag
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08-09-2006 08:25
sorry sorry, it's habit for me to think of "young adult" as someone who is under 18... like another word for teens close to being 18.
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Jesse Malthus
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08-09-2006 08:25
From: Burnman Bedlam How would you know it isn't a minor? Hmmm? If you can determine who is a minor and who is not, then you are one up on the rest of the SL population. The ToS automaticly determined this for us. If they lie, and say that they're over 18 when they're not, you're not legally responsible.
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Taco Rubio
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08-09-2006 08:26
OK DUMB GIRL (B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; There! (p.s. i told you like 3 days ago that if you tried to mis-quote that i'd post the part you left out - don't you listen? Now you have to eat my hat.)
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-09-2006 08:26
From: Burnman Bedlam How would you know it isn't a minor? Hmmm? If you can determine who is a minor and who is not, then you are one up on the rest of the SL population. So you are for banning all AV interaction?
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Burnman Bedlam
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08-09-2006 08:27
From: Jesse Malthus The ToS automaticly determined this for us. If they lie, and say that they're over 18 when they're not, you're not legally responsible. The TOS doesn't supercede the law.
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 08:28
From: Jesse Malthus The ToS automaticly determined this for us. If they lie, and say that they're over 18 when they're not, you're not legally responsible. Has this ToS been tried in a court of law? They can even claim your next born should be called "Banana" and everyone should follow the religion Tacophilia.
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-09-2006 08:29
From: Burnman Bedlam The TOS doesn't supercede the law. Please leave the East Coast of the USA and kindly relocate to a more suitable Red State.
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aEoLuS Waves
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08-09-2006 08:29
offtopic: Update in progress...
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Lina Pussycat
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08-09-2006 08:30
You see the problem here though is it just states that it doesnt state some things. Such as parts of the law were overturned in 2002 which now require an image to be indistiguashable from a real child. Meaning that if i saw a picture that was sexually explicit of a child if i couldnt tell that it was an adult digitized as a child it would be deemed illegal. In the case of SL it is very obvious that it is not a real life child and if you cant tell its not well then thats your problem. You can site that all you want but look up the law in 2002. It is illegal if its a real child or a photo that is indistiguishable from that of a real child. However in the case of art if its a sketch of a real child its assumed that artists are sketching real people. Unlike SL where we know av's are fake people. Its not depicting a real life child in any context its called AGE PLAY and the community exists in the real world to. Look back on the link i posted on page 32 and aquaint yourself a bit more with it.
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Arsenic Soyinka
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08-09-2006 08:32
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and i thought i was lil miss goodie 2 shoes
ageplay-roleplay in virtuality = pedophilia and child abuse in real life?
now that is a stretch
let us all sit back and watch unfold furthur ...
the indignations
the hysteria
the crusaders
the atmosphere of paranoia
the anti-tiny propaganda
the persecutions
the frenzied witch hunts
discredited trawling methods for obtaining evidence
the accusations
unsupportable finger pointings of misconduct
the false allegations
the trials
and finally the crucifixions
and the miscarriages of justice
is there no escape from the real world?
there are those moralists who will declare that their ideology of theology, morality and ethics in the real world, should unalterably be the same as in the Virtual World
they fail to grasp there are many problems with moral relativism, as the 2 worlds of Reality & Virtuality collide.
who is to decide that Real Life Morality should be the same as Virtual World Morality, or if the Moralities of each world are to be separate, different and distinctive, then which Moral Principles should be used in the Virtual World?
it is obvious that they argue for some, while ignoring others
but they seem to want to have it both ways, by legislating and dictating their Morality, Judgements and Theology for everyone in both Worlds
just as they do in the Real World, they rationalize which Roleplays and Deceptions are moral and permissable and those that are not, in the world and Realm of Virtuality & Fantasy.
it just doesnt work, except in their minds ...
and that is THEIR Fantasy ...
but they are just too damn dumb and too hypocritical to get it!
*.¸¸.·´¨*Arsenic
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Burnman Bedlam
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08-09-2006 08:32
From: Kendra Bancroft Please leave the East Coast of the USA and kindly relocate to a more suitable Red State. There is nothing right wing about ridding SL of child porn. I'm not a republican, by the way. 
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 08:33
From: Lina Pussycat You see the problem here though is it just states that it doesnt state some things. Such as parts of the law were overturned in 2002 which now require an image to be indistiguashable from a real child. Meaning that if i saw a picture that was sexually explicit of a child if i couldnt tell that it was an adult digitized as a child it would be deemed illegal. In the case of SL it is very obvious that it is not a real life child and if you cant tell its not well then thats your problem. You can site that all you want but look up the law in 2002. It is illegal if its a real child or a photo that is indistiguishable from that of a real child. However in the case of art if its a sketch of a real child its assumed that artists are sketching real people. Unlike SL where we know av's are fake people. Its not depicting a real life child in any context its called AGE PLAY and the community exists in the real world to.
Look back on the link i posted on page 32 and aquaint yourself a bit more with it. People in denial often have selective reading habits. Do not keep on quoting laws that been deemed unconstitutional. Instead refer to the proper/current laws - > http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?tab=main&bill=h109-4472.
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Savonah Madonna
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08-09-2006 08:34
From: Taco Rubio OK DUMB GIRL (B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; There! (p.s. i told you like 3 days ago that if you tried to mis-quote that i'd post the part you left out - don't you listen?) what's your point? you are telling me that age play is perfectly ok if the people behind the screens are consenting adults. I'm telling you the law does not distinguish whether it is that or not it simply views what it is looking at and determines it is child porn based on that view. And I didn’t misquote your post. you outright said I'm stating things as fact that I had no idea were and I just showed you the proof and you are TRYING to split hairs? LOL Ok whatever. I don't care what you do in the privacy of your own land/house/area with regard to age play, but the US law says it's a depiction of child porn, period. so try to make it anything you want if it makes you feel better.. if it justifies your actions so be it. it still doesn't change the facts of the law and RL. [edit: it may have been 3 days ago but I don't come here often because I like to avoid people like you]
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-09-2006 08:34
From: Burnman Bedlam There is nothing right wing about ridding SL of child porn. I'm not a republican, by the way.  It's not child porn my obstuse little friend. It is ageplay. They are different things. also --you should consider being a Republican.
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Mondo Kongo
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08-09-2006 08:38
From: Kendra Bancroft Adults dressing as children ...not illegal if in RL. Adults having sex with other adults dressed as children...not illegal if in RL. Adult Man dressed in nappies?......priceless  My last post... We all have our opinions to voice. To each person their opinions are validated and correct. Im glad closet case potential pedifiles have found an "out" and do whatever it takes to get off with another potential pedifiles. They even give it a name... "ageplay", it sounds so proper. Who would think in anyway that these types look at someones daughter, or my son, and think "Oh yeah, she/he's so hot" (hang on... got to puke) So by all means. Please get it on with all the kiddo's in SL. Get dirty as hell with it. I'll sleep maybe a little better knowing it's online and not with someones RL daughter or Son.
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Jesse Malthus
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08-09-2006 08:38
Read through the text, nothing about simulated child pornography in there. No digg. Signed in blood, Jesse Malthus
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-09-2006 08:39
Uhm --H.R. 4472: Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006 is a law that aids in keeping track of convicted sex offenders. What does this have to do with ageplay in virtual settings like SL?
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Lina Pussycat
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08-09-2006 08:40
That may be true but the law change in 2002 was not changed i read over that and it doesnt mention what you stated. You can go check cases against quite a few places. And this isnt child porn for the last time. Its age play. Just because they are not adult av's dressed up in little kiddy outfits (there isnt any kiddy outfits for adults in SL as most are made from prims) that automatically makes it child porn. Sheesh. Go read what age play is and get back to me. I domt support child porn, i respect the right of the people using age play, i dont support pedophelia. To many people are clouded in their mind that its just child porn but it has nothing to do with child porn in the least.
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-09-2006 08:40
From: Savonah Madonna what's your point? you are telling me that age play is perfectly ok if the people behind the screens are consenting adults. I'm telling you the law does not distinguish whether it is that or not it simply views what it is looking at and determines it is child porn based on that view. And I didn’t misquote your post. you outright said I'm stating things as fact that I had no idea were and I just showed you the proof and you are TRYING to split hairs? LOL Ok whatever. I don't care what you do in the privacy of your own land/house/area with regard to age play, but the US law says it's a depiction of child porn, period. so try to make it anything you want if it makes you feel better.. if it justifies your actions so be it. it still doesn't change the facts of the law and RL. [edit: it may have been 3 days ago but I don't come here often because I like to avoid people like you] There is no actual child involved. This isn't rocket science, lady.
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 08:42
From: Jesse Malthus Read through the text, nothing about simulated child pornography in there. No digg. Signed in blood, Jesse Malthus I had this very conversation a few hours ago. Reading comprehension is something that's lacking in the US. Anyways, this law does apply to simulated child porn. Thus, I've fielded a question in SL answers. The Lindens who do law would be best at answering this question IMHO.
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Lina Pussycat
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08-09-2006 08:42
From: Mondo Kongo My last post... We all have our opinions to voice. To each person their opinions are validated and correct.
Im glad closet case potential pedifiles have found an "out" and do whatever it takes to get off with another potential pedifiles. They even give it a name... "ageplay", it sounds so proper. Who would think in anyway that these types look at someones daughter, or my son, and think "Oh yeah, she/he's so hot" (hang on... got to puke)
So by all means. Please get it on with all the kiddo's in SL. Get dirty as hell with it. I'll sleep maybe a little better knowing it's online and not with someones RL daughter or Son. Mondo go look up what age play in the real world is before you start judging its virtual form. They try to make themselves LOOK like CHILDREN to the best of their abilities.
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Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
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08-09-2006 08:43
From: Savonah Madonna what's your point? you are telling me tha age play is perfectly ok if the people behind the screens are consenting adults. I'm telling you the law does not distingush whether it is that or not it simply views what it is looking at and determines it is child porn based on that view. And I didnt misquote your post. you outright said I'm stating thigns as fact that I had no idea were and I just showed you the proof and you are TRYING to split hairs? LOL Ok whatever. I don't care what you do in the privacy of your own land/house/area wiht regard to age play, but the US law says it's a depiction of child porn, period. so try to make it anything you want if it makes you feel better.. if it justifies your actions sobeit. it still doesn't change the facts of the law and RL. [edit: it may have been 3 days ago but I don't come here often because I like to abvoid people like you] ok first off 1) these aren't MY actions, i'm not sexually active in SL (except sometimes I jump on people's heads. I'm also not a child AV (i'm a midget with a goatee). Please stop making assumptions about things you don't know about. I'm simply not a big fan of the "I don't like this so it must go!" mentality, it seems a bit reactionary to me. 2) You're quoting a law that got thrown out. Over and over and over. 3) you don't seem to know what the word indistinguishable means. It means "can't tell the difference from". Child pornography includes any image that the average person can't tell from an actual image (like a picture, or a movie). 4) ageplay means "two adults consenting to act out that they are different ages than they are in real life". This is not illegal in anyway. Weird? maybe. Illegal, no. 5) "OK Look whatever" when you post half a law that has been ruled unconstitutional is not a very strong argument. 6) Since I don't age play, I can only assume that when you "abvoid people like me" you mean people who take the time to think about civil liberties and/or can tell the difference between reality and play-acting. That's ok though, you can abvoid whomever you like.
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Joy Honey
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08-09-2006 08:43
From: Kendra Bancroft There is no actual child involved. This isn't rocket science, lady.  furry ageplay or rocket science? YOU decide
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Taco Rubio
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08-09-2006 08:44
From: Lina Pussycat Mondo go look up what age play in the real world is before you start judging its virtual form. They try to make themselves LOOK like CHILDREN to the best of their abilities. and never, ever, EVER call your spouse "baby".
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