Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???
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Lina Pussycat
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08-09-2006 09:16
From: Savonah Madonna I corrected myself to narrow in on the actual part of age play that offends me. I realized later that I was clumping ALL age play into 1 pile and that wasn't a correct thing to do. However I did state later as you see that it was about child and adult AV's engaging in sex that offended me not someone 18 & 80. Its playing out a fantasy and as someone stated its more a fantasy of the person playing the child avatar not the person playing the adult av. If you look into age players in SL that do engage in sexual activities i think you will quite often find that the child is the one looking for a partner to engage in the fantasy with not the adult. The image itself may be offending to you but do you not agree they have the right to do so being 2 consenting adults playing on a fantasy that has and is acted out in real lif between 2 cconsenting adults trying to assertain it in the same manner as SL to the best of their abilities. I would be grossed out/offended by the image to but what i state is they have the right to do so. I would simply walk away if i saw it. And im sorry if i seem a bit heated or angry in any sense im not i just type fast so sometimes stuff ends up coming off a bit harsher sounding then it really should be. Give it a subtle understanding tone O.o
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muzzelddragon Warrior
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08-09-2006 09:19
ok i do play some times in a kid avi but do not in any way have sexual conact in it ,,, but its up to the player what they wish to do in sl and if for instancew a kid does find there way into sl there perants are to blame as in when they dont lock out channels on cable. as for not alowing this for people tp do omg try playing ur own second life not others , its like some people find furry wrong or what ever form u wish to play in ferdom to explore and create ur own sl makes the game such a big draw on sl and once censership begins its just a nother chat room or mmo
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08-09-2006 09:19
From: Lina Pussycat I would be grossed out/offended by the image to but what i state is they have the right to do so. And im sorry if i seem a bit heated or angry in any sense im not i just type fast so sometimes stuff ends up coming off a bit harsher sounding then it really should be. Give it a subtle understanding tone O.o /agrees and also sorry for getting so passionate about this.
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Mondo Kongo
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08-09-2006 09:20
From: Taco Rubio there's the problem. Just like this one you only argue the reply with nothing of sensible content. So far I've heard that I am the one that needs help to understand peoples... lets say "quirks". Im the sick one apparently. Can I put it like this? I see Halley Barry. She's HOT, and I think the majority of men (and women) with similar definitions of HOT would agree. If I see an adult woman as beautiful as her on the street I think, "Man if I wasn't married I would Tap that all day!" If I werent married and the fantasy of Halley Barry came true... it would be LEGAL. And the ageplay advocates?... After a night of hot steamy... whatever you do... the next day on the street. Why would that same individual NOT think that some pretty little girl playing with her dollies was hot? And in a moment of that persons weakness they faulter and touch the little girl inappropriately...
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-09-2006 09:22
From: Mondo Kongo After a night of hot steamy... whatever you do... the next day on the street. Why would that same individual NOT think that some pretty little girl playing with her dollies was hot? And in a moment of that persons weakness they faulter and touch the little girl inappropriately... This is why I think you need help.
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Lina Pussycat
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08-09-2006 09:23
From: Mondo Kongo Just like this one you only argue the reply with nothing of sensible content.
So far I've heard that I am the one that needs help to understand peoples... lets say "quirks". Im the sick one apparently.
Can I put it like this?
I see Halley Barry. She's HOT, and I think the majority of men (and women) with similar definitions of HOT would agree. If I see an adult woman as beautiful as her on the street I think, "Man if I wasn't married I would Tap that all day!" If I werent married and the fantasy of Halley Barry came true... it would be LEGAL.
And the ageplay advocates?...
After a night of hot steamy... whatever you do... the next day on the street. Why would that same individual NOT think that some pretty little girl playing with her dollies was hot? And in a moment of that persons weakness they faulter and touch the little girl inappropriately... Thats not what age play is about mondo its about the person playing the child acting out a fantasy. Not vice versa. You should learn to understand them a bit better because you seem to not understand them. I know age players in r/l and in SL and its not about having sex with a child the one playing the adult is the one bending how they act normally.
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Taco Rubio
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08-09-2006 09:23
From: Mondo Kongo Just like this one you only argue the reply with nothing of sensible content.
So far I've heard that I am the one that needs help to understand peoples... lets say "quirks". Im the sick one apparently.
Can I put it like this?
I see Halley Barry. She's HOT, and I think the majority of men (and women) with similar definitions of HOT would agree. If I see an adult woman as beautiful as her on the street I think, "Man if I wasn't married I would Tap that all day!" If I werent married and the fantasy of Halley Barry came true... it would be LEGAL.
And the ageplay advocates?...
After a night of hot steamy... whatever you do... the next day on the street. Why would that same individual NOT think that some pretty little girl playing with her dollies was hot? And in a moment of that persons weakness they faulter and touch the little girl inappropriately... What I think you're not considering is this: What if and adult couple really enjoys playing schoolgirl/principal....and trust me, there are plenty of couples that do (google for costumes). That is age play, as they are consenting adults, and it's not the government's business to interfere in that. What two adults do in here is age play, being as they are consenting adults, and it's not the government's (LL) business to interfere in that.
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bantifur Zapotocky
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08-09-2006 09:24
Can I role play as a child molester?
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Katlin Aridian
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08-09-2006 09:25
From: Kendra Bancroft See. I'm personally not an ageplayer. It doesn't turn me on personally. I don't find it odd. I don't find it sick....and I don't find it remotely like actual child molestation --of which I'm a survivor. See --I know the difference between 2 computer nerds slapping pixels in kiddie skins and being an actual child that was actually being molested. Obviously you do not. Get help. Kendra, thank you for saying what I was in the process of typing out in a far more long-winded way. I too know how it feels to be that actual child actually being assaulted, and it's got jack nada to do with virtual people on a screen. This one goes out to Damien, whose post I just saw. No, I don't think Kendra is making it up, any more than I am. I believe that we're two adults who have sought and found some semblance of peace with our pasts, and choose to view the situation discussed in this thread with rationality. We're not as rare as you might suppose.
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08-09-2006 09:25
From: Kendra Bancroft You would be quite incorrect, but then I find it odd that you are so preoccupied with ageplay.
I've been in SL for more than 2 years --and I've never even cybered. Nor have I even seen any "sexualized" children avatars (though I have seen many children avatars) I wasn't even talking about you and this IS about people who do use children for sex in SL.
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bantifur Zapotocky
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08-09-2006 09:26
From: Damien Skolem I wasn't even talking about you and this IS about people who do use children for sex in SL. Sounds fun. I want to have sex with a child av but every time I ask I get banned from the area lol so you guys don't have to worry it that much. However I do think lolicon is really hott. As long as it isn't real its alright. 
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08-09-2006 09:27
From: Damien Skolem You don't need help. I find it odd that someone claimed to be molested as a child (earlier in the thread, not you) but is all for others displaying that behavior and finds no offense. Makes me think that person is just making stuff up to make her or himself look as though they are good and it's no big deal. I was molested as well (in a way that I needn't get into for a boo-hoo me pissing contest) and I also understand that consenting adults agree to things in whatever medium they decide to consent to and it's not my right to trespass on that if it pisses me off and makes me uncomfortable. some guys and girls are into fisting one another and that creeps me out but I wouldn't run around calling it disgusting or trying to outlaw it if I saw it in second life. some guys are into subincision and urethral play and I can't even begin to describe the way that makes my stomach twist, but again, their interest, not mine. now of course there's a difference between body modification/S&M etc and pedophilia, but this is a game and these are, presumably, two adults agreeing to act out whatever. if it offends you, don't watch. you need no further psychological examination than that. if it's something that YOU don't like, leave it and let it be instead of going on a jihad to police it. it could also be pointed out that if there is an unhealthy interest in either of these parties for having sex with kids, this interest could be sated by acting it out in this capacity. and kicking it out of SL won't help anything because if one of them does want to fuck a kid then they'll just go download child pornography or find an actual child. so your moral crusade ultimately won't do anything to prevent that. ultimately the bigger issue I have a problem with is the propensity for sex "play" in second life at all. I think it detracts from what this software originally was-- a creative outlet for artists and designers to make really beautiful things that inspired and awed.
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Lina Pussycat
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08-09-2006 09:27
From: Damien Skolem I wasn't even talking about you and this IS about people who do use children for sex in SL. Its NOT a child for crying out loud. It is an adult roleplaying a child and as i stated its the person playing the child Avatar acting out a fantasy not the other way around. Its not using a child for sex as there isnt even a child involved. Its role playing with a certain look.
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Katlin Aridian
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08-09-2006 09:28
From: Damien Skolem I wasn't even talking about you and this IS about people who do use children for sex in SL. Then who were you addressing? Seemed to me as well that you were speaking of Kendra. Could you quote the person you were speaking of?
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-09-2006 09:29
From: Katlin Aridian Kendra, thank you for saying what I was in the process of typing out in a far more long-winded way. I too know how it feels to be that actual child actually being assaulted, and it's got jack nada to do with virtual people on a screen. This one goes out to Damien, whose post I just saw. No, I don't think Kendra is making it up, any more than I am. I believe that we're two adults who have sought and found some semblance of peace with our pasts, and choose to view the situation discussed in this thread with rationality. We're not as rare as you might suppose. :::::hugz:::::
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Taco Rubio
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08-09-2006 09:29
From: Joshua Nightshade ultimately the bigger issue I have a problem with is the propensity for sex "play" in second life at all. I think it detracts from what this software originally was-- a creative outlet for artists and designers to make really beautiful things that inspired and awed. that's what i thought the internet would be too 
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Hali Hinkle
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08-09-2006 09:30
Its fairly obvious to most that in SL the "child" avie MUST click ~sit here~ or whatever the options are for whatever pose they are chosing to do. RL children dont get that option.
Its Ageplay, consensual ageplay between 2 adults an i am also quit sure if you dont seek it out you wont see anything you dont like anyway. Child avies arent doing anything against their will. There is a huge difference in ageplay an molesting a child in RL. People do ageplay in RL and its consenual play between 2 adults. That to me is all that matters..to each their own
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Mondo Kongo
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08-09-2006 09:30
From: Taco Rubio What I think you're not considering is this: What if and adult couple really enjoys playing schoolgirl/principal....and trust me, there are plenty of couples that do (google for costumes). That is age play, as they are consenting adults, and it's not the government's business to interfere in that.
What two adults do in here is age play, being as they are consenting adults, and it's not the government's (LL) business to interfere in that. Have to say your right. In my haste I replied and Generalized AgePlay. I obviously feel strongly about this. I'm a parent that has a child that has gone through a terrible experience and I have NO tolerance for child crimes. My worry is that potential "Child Molestors" will nurse this behavior in SL until someday they act in RL. So to those that enjoy ageplay and are JUST into ageplay, and can distinguish RL from their Fantasy, I apologize and rescind the generalization of ageplay folks.
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08-09-2006 09:30
From: Taco Rubio that's what i thought the internet would be too  Silly Taco, the internet is for porn, everyone knows that! 
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bantifur Zapotocky
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08-09-2006 09:30
From: Taco Rubio that's what i thought the internet would be too  lol the internet is for porn!
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bantifur Zapotocky
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08-09-2006 09:32
From: Mondo Kongo Have to say your right. In my haste I replied and Generalized AgePlay. I obviously feel strongly about this. I'm a parent that has a child that has gone through a terrible experience and I have NO tolerance for child crimes.
My worry is that potential "Child Molestors" will nurse this behavior in SL until someday they act in RL.
So to those that enjoy ageplay and are JUST into ageplay, and can distinguish RL from their Fantasy, I apologize and rescind the generalization of ageplay folks. Nurse? I'd think its more of a release for a pedo.
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Damien Skolem
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08-09-2006 09:33
From: Lina Pussycat Thats not what age play is about mondo its about the person playing the child acting out a fantasy. Not vice versa. You should learn to understand them a bit better because you seem to not understand them. I know age players in r/l and in SL and its not about having sex with a child the one playing the adult is the one bending how they act normally. Then why don't they have the height of an adult but dress up as a kid like in the real world? Would you think that someone having sex with a child avatar and only children avatars would be someone who often obsesses over having sex with chidren? Behind all of these pixels are real people and roleplaying a mother and father is one thing, having sex with something that looks like  is another story. There's nothing wrong with just roleplaying a baby or a child but the line blurs when you have sex.
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Lina Pussycat
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08-09-2006 09:36
From: Joshua Nightshade I was molested as well (in a way that I needn't get into for a boo-hoo me pissing contest) and I also understand that consenting adults agree to things in whatever medium they decide to consent to and it's not my right to trespass on that if it pisses me off and makes me uncomfortable. some guys and girls are into fisting one another and that creeps me out but I wouldn't run around calling it disgusting or trying to outlaw it if I saw it in second life. some guys are into subincision and urethral play and I can't even begin to describe the way that makes my stomach twist, but again, their interest, not mine.
now of course there's a difference between body modification/S&M etc and pedophilia, but this is a game and these are, presumably, two adults agreeing to act out whatever. if it offends you, don't watch. you need no further psychological examination than that. if it's something that YOU don't like, leave it and let it be instead of going on a jihad to police it. it could also be pointed out that if there is an unhealthy interest in either of these parties for having sex with kids, this interest could be sated by acting it out in this capacity. and kicking it out of SL won't help anything because if one of them does want to fuck a kid then they'll just go download child pornography or find an actual child. so your moral crusade ultimately won't do anything to prevent that.
ultimately the bigger issue I have a problem with is the propensity for sex "play" in second life at all. I think it detracts from what this software originally was-- a creative outlet for artists and designers to make really beautiful things that inspired and awed. Sex play is fine. Sex exists in the real world to but people are still creative. An artist can have sex with his girlfriend and still get work done. Not everyone is having sex in SL and most of the people do arnt having sex all the time. A problem i saw with stuff detracting from the software was making basic accounts useless to a newer player hoping to get into sl and getting no introduction to the economy. I'd like LL to go back to the old signup method for that reason alone to give basics a better economic introduction. I partake in the sexual side of SL and i was an escort when i started SL and i ended up meeting someone while doing this that i have been with in SL for over a year and while we may or may not partake in sexual activities we are always creative. We barely even have time for ourselves the amount of work we end up putting in these days. But there can be creativitiy with how SL is now and sexual animations are a creative outlet for some people. I cant make animations i wish i could but to those that can kudo's its a creative outlet im glad to see exists and if people want to use them and rp its their business. Not everyone can be creative in SL not everyone is talented. And Josh a saying i use for SL alot. SL is what you make of it. If you use it as a creative outlet it is.
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Savonah Madonna
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08-09-2006 09:37
From: Lina Pussycat Its playing out a fantasy and as someone stated its more a fantasy of the person playing the child avatar not the person playing the adult av. If you look into age players in SL that do engage in sexual activities i think you will quite often find that the child is the one looking for a partner to engage in the fantasy with not the adult. The image itself may be offending to you but do you not agree they have the right to do so being 2 consenting adults playing on a fantasy that has and is acted out in real lif between 2 cconsenting adults trying to assertain it in the same manner as SL to the best of their abilities. I would be grossed out/offended by the image to but what i state is they have the right to do so. I would simply walk away if i saw it. And im sorry if i seem a bit heated or angry in any sense im not i just type fast so sometimes stuff ends up coming off a bit harsher sounding then it really should be. Give it a subtle understanding tone O.o Lina, I would certainly never advocate such things as Linden Lab ban people for engaging in such activity. There are already laws on the subject and whether they pertain to such actions as we speak about here is not something to really something that would be worth while to debate here. Granted. (and i thought I made it clear in my very first pose) People have a right to do what they want to on land they own in buildings they made on that land, etc. and that anyone coming there and seeing it has no right to complain here in public about seeing such things that happened because of tresspassing. I added that I found such actions of adult/child sexual activity offensive however I would never attempt to force such things upon others who do not agree with me. I merely stated that US Law doesn't distinguish between pixel images and real life ones when it comes to this subject. That if you take a snapshot of you and a child AV engaged in child porn it would amount to evidence should the computer be confiscated. Stating this, about the law, in no way was me trying to force my views as being correct ones over someone else. I was merely saying that if you choose to engage in such activites you need to be informed and educated on possible consequences should you get a knock on the door and that person turn out to be G-Man. I certinly do NOT go around trying to find such activities so I can be offended. I also would never IM or otherwise contact such people who i seen engaged in the activities and try to admonish them for what they were doing. Just like I would not want someone coming on to my land while I was having cybor with a woman/man and try to tell me how immoral it was to be doing such activities. I understand you are fighting the fight against other people's morals being shoved down others throats and I'm not trying to do that. I have taken pains to make it clear that my views are my views. However when I see people state that it's consenting adults behind the screen I'm simply trying to WARN them it's not that clear cut. Maybe it is in their minds, but it isn't in real life. I can see the defense attourney standing and saying "Your honor, I move that the charges against my client be dropped on the gorunds that the actual act was between two consenting adults." and the prosecutor rebuffing saying, "But your honor the defendants were clearly in the process of creating such images as to depict child pornography and evidence will show, in the form of screenshots taken from the defendants computer(s)." Compelling both sides.. but it goes to trial and a jury will decide I beleive.
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Damien Skolem
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08-09-2006 09:37
From: bantifur Zapotocky Nurse? I'd think its more of a release for a pedo. Why do people think that the pedo must not do anything more than play SL? Is it a release or is it just something that manifests in the mind preoccupying his thoughts for the time being until he unplugs from SL to do his everday tasks in real life. A pedophile, just because he's doing it in this game does not mean that he is not doing it in real life too or doesn't have a stash of child porn of real children being abused on film for that person's sick pleasure.
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