Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???

lol no IF you say there is nothing wrong with role playing as a baby or a child then its alright to have virtual sex with a virtual character. It isn't reall. It doesn't hurt anyone. Also the fact that how do you know that the AV isn't a midgit?

then he's going to have that stash whether he's in SL or not. you're not going to do anything to stop it by stopping anything here.

Like they're not busy enough already without investigating crimes against pixels.

Okay, I seen this thread from beginning to end, and it simply boils down to this for the 'anti' group:

Ageplay should be banned because it looks like child porn, which is illegal in the US, and the people involved should be banned for *possibly* having pedofilic tendencies. (which is an assumption, but if true, just tendencies are not punishable by law when there has been no offence.)

Ageplay should also be banned because it is very offensive to some people, and because it is immoral *to some people*. Note that morals differ from person to person. I will get to that in a bit.

Let me compare ageplay to the guns in SL (and many, many, MANY other games):

People who own guns in SL as well as RL, are okay, because owning a gun is legal in RL in the US.
People who use guns in SL to shoot at their buddies in the combat sims, even when conscentual, should then by this logic, be banned.... it looks like they're killing people. Killing people is not legal in the US, and because the people involved may *possibly* have homocidal tendencies, should aslo be banned (the tendencies in this case legally is, just as the ageplay example above, not punishable by law if there has been no offence.)

Or compare it to furries like myself:

Furries dress up as an animal. Not illegal IRL.
Furries are animals in SL, and having sex with eachother is not illegal IRL either.
Humans who dig furries, should then be banned, as it *looks like* zoophilia or bestiality... Which is illegal in the US IRL.

Goreans!
Slavery (sexual or otherwise) is illegal IRL in the US, Ban them all! It looks like it!

If you're going to take away the freedom for people to ageplay, then don't stop there. Ban everything that is concidered illegal in the US IRL!!!


Now, about the offensiveness and morals:

Daily, I see things in SL that are really offensive to me personally. Examples:
I am a christian. I find it very offensive to see someone building a big cross, and taking on a pose on that cross, and all their friends laughing about it. I don't go yelling "Ban the creation of crosses in second life!!" I just turn around and walk away.
I am an animal activist. When I walk into a store, and I see fur coats or rugs being sold, I find that very offensive. I don't go screaming on the forums " BAN IT!!" I walk out of the store and take my buiness elsewhere.

On morality, that also differs from person to person and culture to culture. Generally they come down to the same standards, but there are *HUGE* differences.

I find the killing of any animal for just it's fur, horns, or testicles immensly immoral, as it is wasting a life for *nothing*. Nowadays, we can make fake fur and ivory softer, prettyer and indistinguable from real animal products, and we have Viagra. Still poachers and fur farms continue their buisness, as there's still people who don't see it as immoral, because they value an animal's life less then I do.

I find the invasion of the US into Iraq and Afghanistan hugely immoral, as the excuses they used for it, are pretty much based on lies. Saddam never had any WOMD's, (the investigator revieling this fact comitted 'suicide' few days after telling his story about it) and the Afhanistan war was planned years prior to 9/11. There is evidence for that, most blatant the warning to India and Russia about the invasion, MONTHS before the planecrashes in Washington and New York.

The Dutch government finds sexual intercourse with or between people of 16 years not immoral, in this country that's the legal age.
HIGHLY immoral in the US, where the rule "Make war, not love!" prevails.

So yeah. I'm for the freedom SL offers, and I don't want to have that freedom, which we do not posess IRL, taken away from anyone.


PS: please, please PLEASE read up on what ageplay really is, talk to one of them, do whatever you must... just EDUCATE YOURSELF! It's closer to crossdressing and humiliation more then it is to what you believe are the reasons for people to indulge in this!!!

As i pointed out earlier there isnt child avie clothing for an adult in SL and the fact they can be a child in SL doesnt mean anything they are dressing up so to speak in an Avie and acting out a fantasy. The line blurs to you when you involve sex you mean. Sexual age play is the child av acting out a fantasy as i have stated. In real life its the person dressing as a child acting out a fantasy. You think its wrong there for its wrong for everyone to do it. Look into a age play a bit more before you reply to my post because you dont know what sexual age play is about its not about having sex with a child.

Unless he lives in second life and does nothing else, then keeping that person around isn't really solving the real world issues like some people think.

Oh well the pedo is in SL so real life children won't suffer. Couldn't be further from the truth.

Hey! I like little girls in SL and I'd have sex with them if they wanted to and I also like lolicon (drawn underage girls in sexual acts) but I wouldn't have sex in rl with a young girl why? Well because it will fuck them up. It will destroy them for the rest of there life. However I would have sex with a girl who is over the age of 14 in rl if they wanted it. I'd never rape anyone.

Drawn sex of underage kids is legal. It just can't be modeled after someone. It has to be purely fiction meaning everything you have drawn comes from your mind and not from real life.

Yes you got it right.

Very true, this is true,

Also you shouldnt be snooping around like that, its rude..

I don't know what "SEXUAL AGE PLAY" is? Gee it looks very in your face to me unless you mean the other sexual age play which means that you just have a tea party with little kids and laugh as the train goes by (rolls eyes)

you're making the assumption that anyone interested is a pedophile. there are levels and your generalization is backwards and stupid.

while some people might go for it in SL just for shits, other people might actually be sick and into fucking kids. no children are being exploited or suffering when two adults access an 18+ game and engage in roleplaying, so stop acting as if they are. you're not allowed to access second life if you're under eighteen and concessions need to end that we should approach everything from the point of view that everyone is a child. it's LL's responsibility to police and ensure the age restrictions and not ours. so if two eighteen+ adults engaged in whatever sexual acts they choose, they're consenting adults and there is no abuse to children at all.

the people who are into actually fucking kids will do so or get access to whatever material to enable that fantasy whether they're allowed to here or not, and driving them from here will only drive them to another source, be it real children or real movies.

ultimately, it's NOT YOUR PROBLEM. if you really care, invest your time in supporting real abused children instead of your feel-good crusade from the comfort of your computer desk to protect poor, manipulated pixels.

If that's the case, I can't wait to see you go after anyone who has aviesex in SL, as a minor could just as easily be playing an adult avatar. Where's your outrage for that?

Suggestion for those who are uber worked up over sexual ageplay in SL: please, expend that same energy toward helping people who have actually been abused. Donate to abuse hotlines and crisis centers. They need your help far more than do two adults engaging in roleplay. Unless you're just spouting off, and have no real desire to help the abused and help prevent abuse?

Anyone wanna age rape play? I wanna rape a little girl. Anyone up for it?

I've voiced my opinion on the subject.

Do whatever you want. Nail the baby. Hump the puppy.
Put your $#%@ in a blender if it works for ya.

People say I need help. I'm so disturbed because of this I must be crazy.
People seek out the grey areas and exploit them for their purposes, whats wrong with that? People that are upset about this are the sicko's apparently. And I am apparently Public Enemy #1, and absolutely certifiable!

I'm going to go get help now. Because thats where people that have globally accepted decent morales will all be, in the insane asylum while the rest of the world revells in Anarchy. All the while calling their perversions "freedom of expression of consenting adults".

It is a fact childeren ARE on the Adult grid. What message does that send to them?

For all the peeps that think I need help. Help me. I'll go out and get a two-year-olds Tu-Tu, put a pacifier in my mouth, hand out butt plugs to passers by if I have to.

I just want to be normal again *sobs*

Some have tried to, but they get battered down with cries of ZomG! PEDOPHILE. So, they rarely speak up here. Can you blame them? I have found, though, that if you ask someone respectfully for information and actually listen to what they have to say, most people are willing to talk one-on-one.

Didn't you get the memo? IN WRITING this game appears to be a mature 18+ game but there is no age verification, no credit card needed, how do you know?

There are teens in second life and actually I think that is what underneath it all Second Life wants. So we were led to believe it was a mature game where we wouldn't have to worry about it but there are so many teens in second life playing adult avatars and leading people on to think that they could have a real life relationship with them that your head would spin.

I think Second Life needs to determine once and for all. Is this an adult game or is this a game for all? If it's a game for all, they are going to have to clean up and set some new guidelines. If it is a game for adults, then there will be more freedom for us adults to do mature things however they may get to that point where feds in real life might just make it clear to Linden Labs that doing the don't ask don't tell routine revolving around this kind of behavior will result in feds going on a hunt. If you think it won't happen, think again.

Just because Second Life is a different platform than most other MMO's, does not mean that they are above the rules but if anything, feds won't get involved with the CEO but instead go after the individuals, get their ip, find where they live and with no warning knock on their doors, confiscate their computers and start digging. They won't be charged with SL child pornography but will be charged with all other child porn on their computer.

Not a damn thing. Wrom got the smackdown on this last night already. Page back a few if you really want to see it.

No, you have to provide a credit card to be used for verification when you create the account. Again, it's not your responsibility. It's LL's.

Not anymore. That changed months ago.

You've never had a child in real life, have you? Or babysat? Real kids aren't much like PIXELS ON A SCREEN

Srsly guys I wanna rape an underaged AV in SL!