Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???
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PetGirl Bergman
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08-09-2006 01:20
From: Wrom Morrison This law does not involve you since you are in Sweden, look up local laws on it. But any party living in the US preforming such activites with you would fall under this law.
Any law that's a US law SHOULD be followed by Linden Labs. Linden Labs has a legal obligation as a coporation to make sure all US laws are followed.
Which would result in the banning of age-play as given. If they actually did follow US laws, if not till such time as someone sues them. Then probably LL will force the USA laws on me as a resident in SL - as SL are in SF/USA... Or? /Tina |
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 01:20
From: Lorelei Patel You would need a constitutional amendment to override something the USSC deemed unconstitutional, no? A simple law wouldn't do the trick. That was part of the Patriot act. This new law as given, makes is unlawful to make simulated sexually explicit content of a minor. Since this law passed last month, it's current standing law and LL should abide by it. See my question in answers. |
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Flavian Molinari
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08-09-2006 01:20
From: Wrom Morrison Yes, this is what I'm pointing out, this law overrides what you mentioned as quoted by me. You are simply wrong. You can't make a law to override the supreme court. No matter how noble your cause is the law dosen't back your argument. I really think you are reading into the law and finding something that isn't there. |
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 01:26
From: Flavian Molinari You are simply wrong. You can't make a law to override the supreme court.
No matter how noble your cause is the law dosen't back your argument. I really think you are reading into the law and finding something that isn't there. I'm reading what is written, I'm no lawyer, but I do know how to read legal matters. This is law in the United States, till such time as it's struck down by the Supreme court, this would be law. And this is not the same acts that were struck down. I suggest you consult a lawyer on this, or as I've suggested have Linden legal team go over it. Which would be the best solution. |
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Flavian Molinari
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08-09-2006 01:30
From: Wrom Morrison I'm reading what is written, I'm no lawyer, but I do know how to read legal matters. This is law in the United States, till such time as it's struck down by the Supreme court, this would be law.
And this is not the same acts that were struck down. I suggest you consult a lawyer on this, or as I've suggested have Linden legal team go over it. Which would be the best solution. If they don't you can be the first to say "I told you so" when/if the FBI comes. |
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Wrom Morrison
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08-09-2006 01:40
From: Flavian Molinari If they don't you can be the first to say "I told you so" when/if the FBI comes. Right on. But I'm not the first to have brought this matter here, there were others who have brought this very matter, previously, specially the Dwight Whorley case. I'm not sure why LL is so lax with certain laws. Mostly, I do not want the FBI to show up at LL and take down all the servers. For this and other such infractions. For example, I don't even know if LL gave any thought on the internet gambling ban. |
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Kyrah Abattoir
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08-09-2006 01:49
because these avatars cannot possibly be considered as childs, look at the chest shape!
nah they are midget dressed up like kids at best
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Ordinal Malaprop
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08-09-2006 02:16
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Crissaegrim Clutterbuck
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08-09-2006 02:31
Do you believe in magic in a young girl's heart
How the music can free her, whenever it starts
And it's magic, if the music is groovy
It makes you feel happy like an old-time movie
I'll tell you about the magic, and it'll free your soul
But it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock and roll
If you believe in magic, come along with me
We'll dance until morning 'til there's just you and me
And maybe, if the music is right
I'll meet you tomorrow, sort of late at night
And we'll go dancing, baby, then you'll see
How the magic's in the music and the music's in me
Yeah, do you believe in magic
Yeah, believe in the magic of a young girl's soul
The nits y'all pick in defense of the indefensible are... inconsequential.
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kerunix Flan
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08-09-2006 02:34
From: Phedre Aquitaine I have three children, as I pointed out in the post you apparently read.
Perhaps that's why I can tell the difference between adults and children. Please IM me ingame so i can positively rate you  Here i am ! One of my lovely avatar is a 12yo girl, with a nice llSetText attachment saying "A PG girl in a M world". I like it just because it look nice and it's always fun to play a 12yo in a business meeting talking about full region rental and/or reselling. Additionally, i'm never sexually harassed with my children AV, and it's damn cool (i just have some ppl asking if they can be my father/mother, but nothing about sex) I avoid club with this avatar (i have some others) and of course i don't have sex with her. I consider pedophilia is *wrong* because it usually involve non-consensual sex. Same for zoophilia. I think *some* ppl in SL *could* "ageplay" because they are pedophil in their mind. Allowing or forbid that in SL won't change their mind. Honnestly, it's better to know them having fun in SL with child avatar ... I mean, as long as they are having fun in SL like that, they don't hurt real child. I know my bad english is hard to understand, in a few line : - Some "ageplayer" are pedophil anyway. SL or not. - Some "ageplayer" are just normal people and will never hurt any children IRL - The pedophil one may find enough pleasure in SL so they don't have to hurt real children IRL anymore. - I think the large majority of children in SL just don't have sex at all and are clearly against pedophilia (maybe more than any other resident). I'm clearly against any censor. If you start with banning ageplay... what about furry, gorean, slave market, cult, ... |
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Ewan Took
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08-09-2006 03:31
From: Flavian Molinari If they don't you can be the first to say "I told you so" when/if the FBI comes. agreed! |
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aEoLuS Waves
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a long long time ago
08-09-2006 05:52
A long long time ago I did some research and came up with this: /108/c4/96821/1.htmlFrom: someone I did some research (Called with the American Embassy in Londen (FBI field office) phone: 011-44-207-499-9000) and if you can submit complains, abuses and such to the FBI. Here is a list of FBI Office Field Divisions: http://www.fbi.gov/contact/fo/fo.htmFor people in the Netherlands try this: Meldpunt kinderporno: http://www.meldpunt.org/default.htmAlso your local police should assist you with this. For belgium people try this: Centraal Gerechtelijk Meldpunt: http://www.gpj.be/nl/index.htmlYou still should report this to the one that is providing the space (the forum/web admin, the hostings provider etc etc and in our case Lindenlabs) but the encourage you to also send it to them. They also told me that it is very difficult to "catch" the offenders but they will handle this with care and will keep your names private. But the law will judge if something is Child Pornographie (its not to us we can only report if you think it is.). Seems there is nothing more we can do then just report it in SL and in RL. So there are things you can do.. Must say that I didnt make myself famous back then  Have fun!
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Dmitri Polonsky
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08-09-2006 05:59
From: Whimsycallie Pegler Just keep reminding yourself it is not a child. These are consenting adults ROLEPLAYING. Consenting adults or not, the imagery is child pronography and that is highly illegal. It's only a matter of time til LL gets nailed since they ARE responsible for the content on thier server. |
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Burnman Bedlam
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08-09-2006 06:01
Thank you for posting this, such information should be provided during the signup process, considering that anyone's kid can now get into SL. People who would give you a hard time for providing information which can be used to combat child pornography make me wonder if they themselves are into it, and are concerned they would get caught. That might sound harsh... but if people aren't doing anything that would get them into some serious trouble, why would they complain? From: aEoLuS Waves A long long time ago I did some research and came up with this: /108/c4/96821/1.html So there are things you can do.. Must say that I didnt make myself famous back then Have fun!
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Not happy about Linden Labs purchase of XStreet (formerly SLX) and OnRez. Will this mean LL will ban resident run online shoping outlets in favor of their own?
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Tiger Zobel
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08-09-2006 06:54
From: Burnman Bedlam
People who would give you a hard time for providing information which can be used to combat child pornography make me wonder if they themselves are into it, and are concerned they would get caught.
Excellent Poisoning of the Well there... Instantly make anyone with a VALID concern tarred with the brush of possibly being into Child Pornography. From: someone That might sound harsh... but if people aren't doing anything that would get them into some serious trouble, why would they complain? Because that information could so very easily be mis-used... All it needs is someone with a little RL info on someone, and they could impersonate them and get them into some very serious trouble. Example... I know someone who I'm not that happy with IRL who plays SL... All I have to do is sign-up a new Resident with his details, find a Child resident and get jiggy with it, and said person gets a knock on the door because he's apparently into Child Porn now... People already sign others up for all kinds of porn sites, some which are illegal in a whole lot of countries... and it all too often gets the recipient into a shit lot of serious trouble. It's only a matter of time before the same kind of thing will happen in SL, and insisting on the info to combat one thing WILL result in a lot of innocent people getting into serious trouble. |
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yeochris Bentham
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omg
08-09-2006 06:59
No matter if it is RP or not still *****SICK*****go see a DR. WOW!!!!!
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Burnman Bedlam
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08-09-2006 07:05
I was primarily discussing people who, on the forums, actually defend child-av sexuality. I would consider that a bad idea, because people might just get the impression you're a pedophile. It's not just a valid concern, Tiger, my issue with the evil of exploiting children... virtually or otherwise, could be summed up as more of a crusade. If I see it, I will document it and report it to the FBI for investigation. From: Tiger Zobel Excellent Poisoning of the Well there... Instantly make anyone with a VALID concern tarred with the brush of possibly being into Child Pornography.
Because that information could so very easily be mis-used... All it needs is someone with a little RL info on someone, and they could impersonate them and get them into some very serious trouble.
Example... I know someone who I'm not that happy with IRL who plays SL... All I have to do is sign-up a new Resident with his details, find a Child resident and get jiggy with it, and said person gets a knock on the door because he's apparently into Child Porn now...
People already sign others up for all kinds of porn sites, some which are illegal in a whole lot of countries... and it all too often gets the recipient into a shit lot of serious trouble. It's only a matter of time before the same kind of thing will happen in SL, and insisting on the info to combat one thing WILL result in a lot of innocent people getting into serious trouble.
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Not happy about Linden Labs purchase of XStreet (formerly SLX) and OnRez. Will this mean LL will ban resident run online shoping outlets in favor of their own?
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Samia Perun
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08-09-2006 07:06
From: Tiger Zobel Excellent Poisoning of the Well there... Instantly make anyone with a VALID concern tarred with the brush of possibly being into Child Pornography.
Because that information could so very easily be mis-used... All it needs is someone with a little RL info on someone, and they could impersonate them and get them into some very serious trouble.
Example... I know someone who I'm not that happy with IRL who plays SL... All I have to do is sign-up a new Resident with his details, find a Child resident and get jiggy with it, and said person gets a knock on the door because he's apparently into Child Porn now...
People already sign others up for all kinds of porn sites, some which are illegal in a whole lot of countries... and it all too often gets the recipient into a shit lot of serious trouble. It's only a matter of time before the same kind of thing will happen in SL, and insisting on the info to combat one thing WILL result in a lot of innocent people getting into serious trouble. Oh stop being so melodramatic. I dont like the idea of people impersonating children on secondlife for sexual gratification, morally to me I think its really quite disgusting. However, Its not my place to interfere in peoples personal lives and what they decide to do with them. To assume that people are going to start scamming people into being into 'child porn' on SL is silly. For a start, if they do get jiggy with it with a child AV.. regardless of who it is on either end the argument that to use the software you have to be over 18 blows it out of the water immediatly. Also, to then try and compare SL to dedicated porn sites... what are you on? Its consentual between two adults, in an enviroment that encourages the creation of any shape/size person regardless of boundaries. Wrong yes, in my eyes, but still legal. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-09-2006 07:07
From: Burnman Bedlam I was primarily discussing people who, on the forums, actually defend child-av sexuality. I would consider that a bad idea, because people might just get the impression you're a pedophile. I will now defend child-AV sex. Call me a pedophile. I dare ya. |
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Nimil Blackflag
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08-09-2006 07:08
isn't it better that they indulge these fantasies in game with a consenting adult instead of in the real world with a non-concenting child?
if you look at SL you'll see many illegal practices, slavery (that's illegal you know.. but widely practiced in SL), child/adult relationships, zoophillia, gay marrage (illegal in most states in the US unfortunately), public nudity, etc. i'm sure many people use this game to do things they can't do in real life due to legal issues.
if you're bothered, just leave. it's just that simple. if you worry about every little thing you see on this game, and want it abolished, you ruin fun for others, not to mention for yourself, because you'll do nothing but worry about what's going on around you instead of having fun and being happy.
quell your anger, remember that roleplaying is just that. i've rp'ed that i murdered several cat-girls in blind rage (not on sl but still..) should i be sent to jail for that? no, of course not. it's not a crime if it's not real. no one is harmed.
if you are worried about pedos, try getting involved with one of those sites that catches adults soliciting underage children on chat rooms instead of chiding concenting adults who are simply pretending.
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Taco Rubio
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08-09-2006 07:16
From: Kendra Bancroft I will now defend child-AV sex.
Call me a pedophile. I dare ya. /me signs up for this too. Double dog dare ya.
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Kasi Tandino
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08-09-2006 07:16
Some people find it unmoral to roleplay a child in an adult world made up mostly sex. Before you say SL isn't SEX!, read the write ups about it. Every single one talks about the cyber aspect of SL. The primary focus from an outsider and most who play is that this is a world of adults free to engage in cyber sex.
I leave when I see a child avi half dressed or not dressed. I complain to the management when its in a store or a public place. I have my own set of morals. I have a child who I protect from people who could harm him. I wouldn't encourage sex with a child avi in any way. IMO (this means in MY opinion, not yours) encouraging someone with a mental problem is just wrong. Sex with children is WRONG. I don't care if you can justify it with "its just adults roleplaying". I think it must be children thinking this person likes them or they have little to no self esteem thinking that somehow an adult having sex with them is going to make them feel more "grown up".
You can say "its allowed" or "its just adults" all you want. Fact is its an adult who finds it sexually stimulating to have sex with children. I don't care if an adult who thinks having sex AS a child is ok or not. Its not ok. Its not ok to encourage sex with children. Its not ok to encourage pedifiles to act on thier impulses. Its not ok to do it just because YOU CAN!
This is MY opinion and I would have the same opinion if I had a child or NOT. Children MUST be protected by adults who can be trusted. They do not have the mental capacity to make a good descision when it comes to adult matters such as sex. They must be protected online from encouraging some pedifile who will find the cyber sex so stimulating they can't control thier urges outside of the cyber world and pray on innocent REAL children. Its ALL just encouraging them and its so damn frustrating that people defend this behavior!
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Tiger Zobel
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08-09-2006 07:17
From: Burnman Bedlam I was primarily discussing people who, on the forums, actually defend child-av sexuality. I would consider that a bad idea, because people might just get the impression you're a pedophile.
It's not just a valid concern, Tiger, my issue with the evil of exploiting children... virtually or otherwise, could be summed up as more of a crusade.
If I see it, I will document it and report it to the FBI for investigation. I, on the other hand, see it as a waste of your time to do so... As has been mentioned, what about those who defend Gorean RP? That promotes forced slavery, sexual and otherwise. Does that give the impression that they might be into slavery? What about those defending Furry sex? The impression that they're into Beastiality? What about those defending kidnap RP? (and yes, it does happen in SL...) The impression that they are into kidnapping and torture, since that's what the uninformed will see? No... this is about stopping people from doing what THEY want to do with CONSENTING ADULTS. There are more than enough people IRL who get dressed up as young children in their sex games... and child-av sexuality is NO DIFFERENT AT ALL. It's a CONSENTING ADULT who is roleplaying a child. Personally, I think that those who manage to see pedophilia where there is none are running the risk of being seen as obsessed with finding it... and the ones who are obsessed with finding it are generally the ones who are into it... Yes... I can tar you with that brush too... |
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-09-2006 07:22
From: Kasi Tandino Some people find it unmoral to roleplay a child in an adult world made up mostly sex. Before you say SL isn't SEX!, read the write ups about it. Every single one talks about the cyber aspect of SL. The primary focus from an outsider and most who play is that this is a world of adults free to engage in cyber sex.
I leave when I see a child avi half dressed or not dressed. I complain to the management when its in a store or a public place. I have my own set of morals. I have a child who I protect from people who could harm him. I wouldn't encourage sex with a child avi in any way. IMO (this means in MY opinion, not yours) encouraging someone with a mental problem is just wrong. Sex with children is WRONG. I don't care if you can justify it with "its just adults roleplaying". I think it must be children thinking this person likes them or they have little to no self esteem thinking that somehow an adult having sex with them is going to make them feel more "grown up".
You can say "its allowed" or "its just adults" all you want. Fact is its an adult who finds it sexually stimulating to have sex with children. I don't care if an adult who thinks having sex AS a child is ok or not. Its not ok. Its not ok to encourage sex with children. Its not ok to encourage pedifiles to act on thier impulses. Its not ok to do it just because YOU CAN!
This is MY opinion and I would have the same opinion if I had a child or NOT. Children MUST be protected by adults who can be trusted. They do not have the mental capacity to make a good descision when it comes to adult matters such as sex. They must be protected online from encouraging some pedifile who will find the cyber sex so stimulating they can't control thier urges outside of the cyber world and pray on innocent REAL children. Its ALL just encouraging them and its so damn frustrating that people defend this behavior! So, shall we stop defending Ninja Assassins in SL as well? |
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Kasi Tandino
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08-09-2006 07:23
I have to wonder if you have children. I'm just sorry you see protecting children as a bad thing to do. BUT..yes, I am obsessed with protecting my child from pedifiles and I am definatlly obsessed with removing it from the world. So paint me whatever color you want for being a moralistic person |
