Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???

That's not exactly what he said, though he phrased it badly. However, his grammatical lapse doesn't really mean you need to pounce on it. :/

I read it, cringed a bit at the way it parsed, and understood it anyways.

That's another point I didnt even realize myself..

What about those with diseases so they don't look old and stay child like? In the Netherlands an example was Bart de Graaff... He was well over 30 but looked and talked like a pre-teen kid.

And what about the relative sizes of people? Have someone over 2m10 having a relation with a 1.55m person... Try to imagine how that would look like...

As for the OP, just judging by APPEARANCE tells me he's not worth my time. There is more to people then just their appearance. Anyone who judges by appearance is discriminating in my book, but unfortunately that is not a crime for the law.

Um..That comment was to him. Let him correct me. K? Good.

That is a complete unbiased accusation. AR/reported for attack on person.

For the record and for those ignorants out there:
Pedophilia: http://www.medem.com/MedLB/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZUZRUZGLC&sub_cat=355
It's classified as a medical disorder.

Child-porn is ACTING on pedophilia.


Again, you're reported for not discussing but personal attack on someone you don't even know one bit about, but just because they have a different opinion.

Sorry bout that. English is not my native language....

To add: maybe you could rephrase what I meant to say then? Seems at least you got the meaning behind the words.

Haha You reported me because I didn't agree with your views on pedophilia? I don't agree with pedophiles but it seems like you are all for it. Alright. Just so you know this is no perseonal attack. Get that straight.
Well I report people all the time in SL..and it doesn't work. The pedophiles keep coming. So I don't think reports matter.

After that quote you said..where the latter 2 do have some connection, the first one does not.

See even you seem to think they are similiar. (pedophilia and child-porn)

Oh and by the way. That wasn't a attack on you. It was an attack on pedophiles!

This is what you said:



Don't try to reverse the issue here!!!

First statement you made are clearly a personal attack, insinuating.

But as your other posts show, you're not worth my time either.

I think Thrash Misfit said it best, way back on Page 3.



It may not be something I'm interested in or that I particularly understand, but it's not my place to pass judgement.

He also talked to a lot of us kids, and deliberately seemed to not interview the ones who did not fit what he was trying to say. The whole article was a fishing expedition, and one that came up empty-handed.

Mari

This is the last post I'm going to make in this thread as frankly I'm just sick of trying to argue with people who don't want to open their minds even the littlest bit. For those who keep using the words pedophilia and child porn, etc etc.... some basic facts broken down in brief sentences you can't pretend to miss.

Real Life Ageplay = ADULTS roleplaying an age other than their real age. There is no way anyone can look at a grown man in a diaper and really imagine that it is a child. No crime, no victim.

Second Life Ageplay (sexual) = ADULTS roleplaying an age other than their own for sexual gratification. There is no way anyone can look at an avatar in this cartoon world and believe it is an actual child. No crime, no victim.

Second Life Child Avatars (non sexual) = has no connection to either of the above descriptions, simply an avatar created to experience that age for awhile. No crime, no victim, no connection. In fact if you assume every person in SL who creates a childlike avatar is engaging in ageplay, you do them an unfair disservice.

Child Pornography (real, not pixellated) = A crime, a victim, definately something to care about and actively fight to stop, no connection to any of the first three descriptions above.

Pedophilia = abusing real children for sexual gratification. A crime, a victim, definately something to care about and actively fight to stop, no connection to any of the first three descriptions above.

People can keep trying to link all of these things together under one category and label them sick but if you do that you ignore the true definitions, you ignore the true crimes, and you cloud the entire issue. You waste your time fighting over something that ISN'T real when you could be using your time to fight to stop the horrors that ARE real.

They are "gloves," if memory serves. No size issue, therefore.

Mari

I think the bigger picture that you all seem to be overlookijng is that the child avatar may well BE a child, or at the very least under 18 years old.

Remember, Linden Labs removed any sort of credit card requirement or age verification on the adult grid back in June, just as all the little kiddies were getting out of school. They've had all summer to create as many free accounts as they want to make, and the e-mail address they give doesn't even have to be real. Try it.. you can pop out 50 alts in an hour.. free.

That said, this game just became open season for pedophiles, which is probably why all these ageplay groups are suddenly popping up in the first place.

It's twisted, wrong, and no mature adult should have to be exposed to that here or anywhere else.

There should be no question about this.

The Adam Walsh Child protection and safety act of 2006 that passed congress (HR 4472), prohibits, the making and transfer of any material over the internet which depicts virtualized sexual acts with child like characters. This includes sexual japanese cartoons of young children (lolicon) and sexual activites in games like SL depicting children (which is worse than lolicon IMHO).

So no question about this, this is an illegal activity at least within the borders of the United States.

Plus we all know what happend to Dwight Whorley.

REF: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?tab=main&bill=h109-4472

I agree with everytihng you said.

Point the first: Actual pedophiles (or really ebebophiles) are more likely to try to get into the teen grid than the main grid, simply because the assumption is still that people in the main grid are over eighteen (no matter how infantile they may behave). Call it "hedging your bets".

Point the second: There were plenty of minors in the grid prior to the implosion of 6/6/06.

Point the third: Pedophiles are not interested in children avatars that are backed by adult minds. They want kids, they don't want adults. This is what makes them pedophiles.

Point the fourth and final: Truly mature adults can look away.

A bill very like this was tossed out by the SCOTUS. It'll be interesting to see if this one stands.

Because they know that if they stay in the Main Grid. They will not get caught.


ok I am done wasting my time on this. I have better things to do.

Point the fifth: Assuming there are underage people on the main grid, they're just as, if not more, likely to be in an adult avatar. Therefore, the adult you cybered might as well be a kid. So, if we're going to go on crusades here, your only option is to outlaw all aviesex.

The minor I met was pretending to be twenty and came off more like twenty-five, had an adult avatar and was surprisingly erudite.

Before I respond, let me state that I am not into age play, so I have nothing to "gain" by making the following arguments. Also note that while I quote Andrea, the comments are not directed *at* her - but are responses to her comments with a wider audience in mind.

From: Andrea Faulkner

I think the bigger picture that you all seem to be overlookijng is that the child avatar may well BE a child, or at the very least under 18 years old.

Point taken. Since I started in '03, there have been teens on the main grid. It's a problem with no easy solution. They were around with CC verification and they are around now.

I don't understand why everyone is so focused on age play, when a teen is far more likely to play an adult avatar and (probably) participate in adult-adult avatar cyber sex. Where's the outrage with that?

The only reason I can see that people are so up-in-arms over this is that age play disgusts them and becomes the example of how rampant pedophiles are in SL. Where I come from, that would be called bigotry.

You (in the general sense) may not agree with age play, but no one is asking for your blessing. No more than those in the BDSM community are asking for it. You have the right to express your feelings for age play, but to call it something it is *not* reeks of ignorance, intolerance and fear.

From: Andrea Faulkner

That said, this game just became open season for pedophiles, which is probably why all these ageplay groups are suddenly popping up in the first place.

Newsflash: they've both been around longer than SL or the internet. If you have children and are concerned about pedophiles, implement some safe internet usage rules or unplug the computer when you are not around.

Ageplay started in SL before the open reg, from what I recall.

From: Andrea Faulkner

It's twisted, wrong, and no mature adult should have to be exposed to that here or anywhere else.

As a mature adult, I shouldn't have to be exposed to judgemental, intolerant, ignorant individuals in RL or SL... sadly, they exist. This is life.

Did you actually read the summary of the bill you referenced? I could find no mention of computerized depictions. If it's there, please point it out to me.