Gorean justice

Unfortunately, not everyone likes to live a peaceful, drama-free life. Some in fact rather like the drama and the fighting that goes on. We leave them be and go to it as we keep our lands peaceful and nurture those who want to learn.


Sorry for the confusion "running away" isn't outside the roleplay. However, 9 out of 10 times it's a slave who's made an alt. After that slave hasn't gotten when he/she has tried to gain by getting into the collar in the first place, they will simply just leave. There are some slaves who run out of frustration and there are some who will as part of a roleplay scenario. It's not easy to put into a nutshell since each instance can be much different then the other. They need to be taken as a situation-by-situation basis.

Master's being captured is common RP with Panther Girls. Not everyone agree's with that either, nor do they all agree that it's "proper" RP since a lot of alts are running around in Gor and their true intent is never known. Again, has to be taken on a situation-by-situation basis.

Also, let's hit back upon the point that a slave has no rights. (according to the Gorean lifestyle) If she runs, she's simple cast aside. If a Free Person seeks refuge in another city, they are accorded visitor status and tended to. Again, in accordance with the basic fundaments of Free People having rights that slaves don't according to the books.

I'd say that the biggest beef most people have with goreans depends on the behavior many of them have outside of gorean sims.
I see lots of gorean roleplayers in my shop, and they're more than welcome like everyone else, but sometimes their explicit actions (having slaves walk around on their knees on a leash, public chat punishment roleplay and similar endeavors) make other customers feel less at ease. The depiction of slavery, in the end, is for many reasons a touchy subject to many. I don't mind it at all, but i understand people that do.
When i receive complaints from other customers what i normally do is walking to the roleplayers and asking as politely as possible if they can limit their displays to help other customers feel at ease. I value my customers (roleplayers included) and as such i try to keep an eye on my shopping environment.
Unfortunately, besides a couple very refreshing cases in wich just as politely, the goreans agreed to limit their roleplay for the sake of their fellow shoppers, in most cases i received extremely unpolite, insulting, ego driven and sometimes violent responses, from harsh criticism to my business policy, to personal insults, passing by threats of boycotting my products, offensive use of weapons and so forth.
I dare say that if many of those goreans actually remembered and kept in mind that theirs is just a roleplay, and that it can actually be temporarily put on hold out of gorean sims, at least when politely asked to, a lot of the criticism would subside.
I might be wrong, of course, but those are my very personal two eurocents.

I think that Goreans that want to so strickly role play that they are unwilling to yield on any issues, Should treat the rest of SL that is not Gorean like Earth.

Very few Goreans were allowed to go there. Those that did were highly trained to blend in and not draw attention to themsselves. If you want to visit worlds outside of Gor that is how it should be done. Unfortunately, I don't know how that would work out for slaves, because as far as I know slaves were never permitted to leave Gor.

As far as SL goes, I don't think I have heard any complaints about the slaves' behavior. It seems to be the Masters. Maybe it is not the slaves profiles that should read if you have any problems with this ones behavior....

Okay.. just my two cents.

when out and about in non gorean lands, this one's Master and girl wear normal clothes for those that we visit.

Does Master treat this one as a Gorean slave in the distant lands, yes and no. This girl is not a brat, a smart ass or a trouble maker. Her Master has no need to punish her in public non-gorean lands.

Even though Master and girl walk in other lands, He is no less this ones Master, and this one is no less then His slave.

To each their own....





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In the books Gorean slaves have no rights whatsoever, and can be killed by their owners for any or no reason.

The fact that there are "offences" which by custom or law are usually punishable by death for a slave (e.g. impersonating a free woman) doesn't mean that slaves have a right to any sort of "trial" for those offences or that a slave owner can only kill his (or her) property if such an offence occurs, a slave can be killed simply because the owner feels like it. On the other hand the fact that the punishment for an offence is usually death doesnt mean the slave's owner has to kill the slave, its up to him or her.

All that said, most slaves on Gor are valuable property and owners don't usually destroy valuable property on a whim.

Then, clearly, she does not have the mindset to belong in a Gorean sim, and should be a conventional submissive, where these problems would not occur.

I feel compelled to respond to this. First, there is a group of us who study Gor that this is not just a roleplay to us. Even online you can become part of such a group to learn how to apply Gorean principle to real life. I am one of these individuals who takes her Gor quite seriously. I have to wonder what your reaction would be if a Gorean customer asked you to have an earthling customer curtail their behavior that makes them uncomfortable? Aren't there lots of different kinds of people who shop in SL? ie..furries, aliens, dragons, fairies, robots, Gorean, Medievil, vampires, animals, and the list goes on. Do you require all of these people to curtain or change their rp behavior to make your other customers comfortable? I would think that would be a no win scenario for you.

If your shop is in a mature region, then the rp of a Gorean is with in full rights to be displayed on your property. Asking a Gorean to stop being who they are based on your other customer's opinions is in my opinion insulting. Maybe a Gorean should be IMing you asking you to tell your robot customer or your furry customer, or your dragon customer to stop acting in the role they are personifying. Expecting people to change their behavior because it makes someone who does not embrace that role uncomfortable is wrong. Unless your going to apply that to everyone who enters your shop equally and fairly, then expecting someone who is Gor to change is unreasonable and yes it could very well be insulting.

Why can't everyone just be in the role they choose to be, shop in your shop? Why do we have to change who we are, or what we personify to please others around us. Are you asking those who are non Gorean to not subject the rest of us to whatever role they are playing? I find some of the activity of other SLers to be offensive. I would never dream of asking a shop owner to address the other party just because it makes me uncomfortable. I can leave and come back. I can choose to ignore the other behavior. You can even place your merchandise in Gorean markets and sims if you want to separate the two. Issue solved. So why is it that Goreans specifically are singled out? If I complain about that vampire's behavior sitting over there in the corner, you going to do something about it and ask the vampire to change their behavior so I can be comfortable in my shopping experience????? I highly doubt it.

O rlly.

Using that reasoning, Gor sims, of course, would allow Furries in as they are, right?

Or does the Gorean sim manifesto of "our land, our money, our rules" only apply to Goreans themselves?

This girl has heard the Masters say over and over again “Read the Books” when anyone has questions on Gorean rules or behaviors.

This one is currently “reading the books” and is really enjoying them. Basic Gorean life is outlined in them.. the roles that are played.. the rules for each Caste.. the expectations of slaves.

This girl has met quite a few AMAZING people in the world of Gor. She cannot count the number of times that people have said bad things and made assumptions of those in Gor.
This one truly feels that if you are not open minded enough to actually visit places and spend time with the people, then you have no basis for your opinions and assumptions.


It’s been said that the Masters “brainwash” their slaves into being submissive, this one could not disagree more. She was not coerced into the world of Gor, and she is not being forced to stay.

The question has also come up on how Goreans act outside of Gorean sims. While this girl can not speak for all, she can say that those she knows dress in normal earth clothes outside of the world of Gor. This one still is respectful to all free and knows her place, but her Master does not demand of her to kneel and behave completely as she would in Gor. She is still his slave, he is still my Master, but we are respectful to those around us at the same time.

There have been a few comments about visitors to Gorean sims. Again, this girl can not speak for everyone, but can say that her Master and the Free of his home land do welcome guest, with a few requirements.
1. Dress in appropriate clothing
2. Humans only (since there were only humans/Goreans on Gor)
3. Wear the titler provided to identify yourself as a guest and not a Gorean
4. Be unarmed
5. Be respectful

This girl has given quite a few tours to nonGoreans of her Master’s homeland. Half of those people followed all of the rules and it was an enjoyable tour for all. The other half were there to cause drama and to be griefers and were banned from the sim.

This one tries to be respectful to all and allow everyone to enjoy their own way of playing. She only asks that the same be returned to her. She is not out to hurt anyone or upset anyone’s game, yet she’s had attacks come at her.

Since starting the Gorean Merchants Blog, this girl has had posted comments on the blog attacking her specifically and some general ones at all Goreans. She’s had emails accusing her of being a “rapist” a “child molester” and a “psycho”. This one has not, and will not respond to those who have attacked her and has not and will not attack anyone else.

Simply put, those on Gor have chosen to be in Gor. For some it’s a RP for some it goes into RL. Those not in Gor do not have to like it, but it would be nice if they didn’t attack for the sake of attacking. And those not in Gor who simply don’t understand it or would like to know more, either pick up a book and read, or visit a Gorean sim and be a guest.

OMFG. Are you kidding me? So hypocritical coming from a Gorean. The attitude to rail against is exactly the attitude within Gor that many people are pissed about. Please reference old threads on Gorean discrimination against Furries and others. If a pair of catears and a tail can get a person caged and banned from Gor sims, I don't think its beyond reason to ask Goreans from toning down their act while outside Gor areas.

Wondering what exactly it is that needs to be toned down?


Also, if someone wants to limit Goreans from shopping in their shop, it's their loss, Goreans have lindens and like to spend them, the same as everyone else.

Hey... incase your master didn't tell you... YOU HAVE A NAME!!! Your name is Carly!! Carly!! It's a pretty name! It's okay to use it when referencing yourself!

-Ghoti

Please reference post #27 above.



Ahh see, but that's just it. Most people are not going to care what your kink is so long as you are not waving it in everyone's face. In the same way you people expect us to become 100% human avatars when even jsut visiting your sims, you aught to be as accomidating when leaving your enclaves.

-Ghoti

This girl knows she has a name, her Master uses it to speak to her, however she does not use it since she follows the guidlines of the book.

If that is the offensive behavior in question, that a girl refers to herself simply as a girl, then this one thinks it's not that big of a deal at all.

This one has been to places where those who DO speak english have decided to speak in another language. Is she to complain and have them only speak in English since that's what she's comfortable with?

This girl in her former SL life visted sims that are home to furries and she went as a furry, out of respect to their RP.

She also visted a place for tinies, where there was a very LOW cieling over the entire land and only tinies could enter and exsist there. Instead of demanding they change it and allow her access as a normal human, she morphed into a tiny and enjoyed her visit.

This one has shown respect and "played along" with others in their homelands, is it to much to ask others to return the respect?

I am sorry but my land is my land and if I do not want Gorean roleplaying on my land which I pay tier for it is my decision. I will respect the Gorean Sims but telling me what to allow on my property crosses the line. My back is not your doormat to wipe your feet!
I understand how important your rolepaying is to your Second Life experience but you need to respect others as well.
If you like to roleplay and the owner of the land objects you will just have to take it elsewhere. To date the vast majority of my interactions with Goreans has been BAD and WORSE.
To restate my position, Goreans are welcome on my land but your roleplaying is not. Your roleplaying will result in my using all of the tools available within the TOS to freeze, eject and ban from property.

Did someone run up to you and demand that you become a furry, and threaten you with caging and a sim ban if you did not conform?



The difference being in Gor the barrier is not physical, its mental.



I have respect for other people's lands as well, but respect should be mutual. The Goreans I've encountered in their own sims (and several outside their sims) have rarely shown it to me. Could it be my Neko tail and ears?

-Ghoti

Again, this girl is wondering what "roleplaying" is being refered to? Is it simply the act of a slave kneeling to her Master and addressing him as such, or is it something else?

Yes! I find that offensive and your "master" will soon be facing my justice. There is nothing in the TOS that says I have to permit the roleplaying of Goreans to happen on my land. What is so hard to understand?
Also if an escaped slave arrives on my property, she/he will be given my full protection from hunters. It is my right to decide who has access to my property.
A group of thugs is not going to change that, not today and not tommorow.
What is so bloody hard for you to understand? I am a warrior in real life and a warrior in spirt in second life. Male/Female thugs are not going to change me and I will not bow to their demands.

First this girl would have to say "breathe". She is not questioning your rights on your land, or being disrespectful to you, simply trying to understand your viewpoint.

If you wish to ban a certain behavior from your land, that is your choice, however, would suggest making that clear in the form of a notecard or such if you are operating an open sim or area where the public is welcome. Doing such will avoid problems and issues, but that is your choice to do so.

There is no need to threaten my Master with your "justice" over a question as simple as the one stated. This one will not even offer up a response to that threat.

Most slaves that are "runaways" are ones that aren't going to be persued by a Gorean Master.

This one has NEVER been a "thug" or been with those who have been "thugs" when visiting another's land.
Honestly, it is rare that this one and her Master are outside of Gorean sims, but when we are we have respect for those around, however, this girl will still address him as Master since that is who he is to her. You will find that real true Goreans are respectful of others in non-Gorean areas. Those who have the run of the mouth condition are normaly "disney Goreans".

Is that girl also aware that referring to onesself in the third person was done sparingly in those books?

From: Carly Sonic

First this girl would have to say "breathe". She is not questioning your rights on your land, or being disrespectful to you, simply trying to understand your viewpoint.

Look at it this way, I find your Gorean practices degrading, illegal and will tolerate it in my presence. In SL if this happens in someone else’s sim on another’s property, I will leave. I do not visit Gorean Sims. I pay tier for my property and thus it is the Goreans that have to leave and not me.

From: Carly Sonic

If you wish to ban a certain behavior from your land, that is your choice, however, would suggest making that clear in the form of a notecard or such if you are operating an open sim or area where the public is welcome. Doing such will avoid problems and issues, but that is your choice to do so. ".

Why, do I have to spell out correct behavior to all? Like please do not rape, kill, shoot weapons, etc.

From: Carly Sonic

There is no need to threaten my Master with your "justice" over a question as simple as the one stated. This one will not even offer up a response to that threat. ".

He would dispense Gorean "justice" on me for misbehavior in his sim. Why should he expect any different? It is not a "threat" anymore than a policeman is not issuing a threat telling people to follow the law.

From: Carly Sonic

Most slaves that are "runaways" are ones that aren't going to be persued by a Gorean Master. ".

You used the word "most" and that means that some will "stalk" their slaves. This by the way is against the Lindens TOS and against the law of the host country.

From: Carly Sonic

This one has NEVER been a "thug" or been with those who have been "thugs" when visiting another's land.

Honestly, it is rare that this one and her Master are outside of Gorean sims, but when we are we have respect for those around, however, this girl will still address him as Master since that is who he is to her. You will find that real true Goreans are respectful of others in non-Gorean areas. Those who have the run of the mouth condition are normaly "disney Goreans".



I still remember the "invasion" of the Goreans in my old mainland sim. How the brave master sent his slave into my security orb time and time again. He AR me for using my security orb to protect my home from them. It was set on "target" mode and only affected a small group of avatars. Live help was not impressed and it ended that affair.



I don’t know why the Goreans are trying to spread their role-playing of illegal activities and don’t really care. Your role-playing is not welcome on my land. What is so hard to understand? There is nothing you can write that will change my mind.

First off its not degrading nor illegal its a choice the person makes. Slave RP has nothing to do with real life slavery and there for cannot be found to be illegal in any sense. I could call my gf or bf or whatever my slave that doesnt make it illegal if it is in the sense of RP. They dont try to spread their activities at all. People go off on saying people try to recruit in the welcome area. Well i hang out in the welcome area and have never been recruited. One person has tried to collar me in the time i have been in SL and it wasnt a gorean it was a D/S master. Not allowing role-play on your land is fine and all but it just makes you look intolerent.

Gorean's dont allow furries because they are humans wearing a costume in the real world and with the RP. They are playing a person in a fur suit which simply doesnt exist in the gorean RP. Area's are clearly marked if they have forced Collaring and other things and its your choice if you go there. If you actually abide by the rules and wear a guest title you are safe. While saying such and such isnt ok on your land saying its due to their being gorean is intolerant. I respect other's rights to RP as they wish and if that RP has set rules and i want to visit that area so be it.

I'd also like to point out something to the person that asked the Who asked you to turn into a furry and did they cage your or threaten to type of question. While they may not outwardly ask you to turn into a furry or threaten to cage you alot of furries that stick to the furry sims are a bit discriminatory against humans. This is due to attacks made on them by people that dont understand the community. This is done by non goreans usually and some furries will not speak to you if your are in a human form and simply just ignore you. I go to a furry sim i dress as a furry. I have furry friends and i get along with furries and gorean's alike.

I get along with people from all aspects of the SL community as i have an open mind and i respect their choices even if i might find some odd i dont run around calling them illegal or other things. I dont feel the need to go out and bash on things plain and simple. I dont post derogitory comments saying a whole community is a certain way. I never have and i never will.

[obnoxious rant]
*explodes inside* I hate your stupid RP.. its retareded.. god forbid you people would find at least half decent literature to RP.. For fuck sake !!!!
also.. I HATE the way you type.. its so obviosly an attempt to troll these boards... tell me.. do you feel better about your self playing a female Slave after a long hard day on the docks? this MAN more like...[/obnoxious rant]

aww I feel better after that.. now weres me punchbag >.<;

Wrong.

In SL a Furry IS a Furry, not a person in a fur suit. In SL I'm a Neko, not a person wearing cat ears and a tail. This is something I've noticed you Goreans really have a hard time getting your brains around.

-Ghoti