Gorean justice

Don't take that the wrong way, please. The post was simpy brilliant.

Oh, I understood. I just always get speechless and don't know how to respond in the face of praise.

Alex, I like your sword, but your meaningless Mistress endorsed babble is just too hilarious for words.

Warmest Regards,

The Uncontested Ubar of all of Gor.

Alright, now that I’ve read all the posts that have happened the last few days.. let me summarize things…

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and thoughts on others, however most feel that no matter your opinion it would be nice to maintain a level of decency when dealing with one another or commenting on one another.

Goreans have strict rules for their “world”. They offer up those rules at the point of entry to their sim. They do not allow things that did not exist in the books.
Some Furry sims have furry rules or preferences, some don’t.
Some shops could careless if you RP in their stores as long as it’s within reason, some could careless what you do, some want you to stop your RP all together or you will be booted.

Anyone can set rules for their sim or property.
While it’s not required, it’s suggested that if you have set rules and disallow anything that you inform your guests and visitors in some way. That way they can follow your rules or if it’s rules they feel they can not follow, they can avoid your property and not cause problems.

This isn't a dig against you, Carly, just something I always thought ironic to the point of near hysteria. Doesn't the idea of being Gor over a computer network itself seem rather, I dunno, wrong -- according to the internal logic of Gor itself?

This of course from the very voice decrying banlines and security systems on lands belonging to people who pay tier. So we turn this back - my land is not something you can fly over if I don't want you to - it is my decision. I respect your love of flight, but telling me I must allow you to fly freely across it crosses the line. Is this not hypocritical - or is there a sliding scale for rights?

To restate your position - You are welcome on my land but your flying is not. Your attempting to fly over will result in my using all of the tools available within the TOS to freeze, eject and ban from property.

Now did I just sound intolerant and stupid just then, quoting you?

I dont take it as a dig at all, and it is a valid question. The thing is, I am not Gorean in my RL. In my RL, I am someone who logs onto a fantasy world and plays a Gogrean slave. There are some people who are RL Goreans and follow the guidelines in their RL. That is their choice and I respect them for their decission, however it's not for me.

You are a odd one, I say GOREAN ROLEPLAYING (I DON'T CARE IF YOU CALL IT LIFESTYLE) is not welcome. Where in the frack did you see flying in my message?
As of this time I only ban the unverified from my land. I live on the edge of the private sim and nobody need to fly over my land to get to where they want to go.
Your GOREAN lifestyle is not welcome on my land.
The below is a true quote,
"To restate my position, Goreans are welcome on my land but your roleplaying is not. Your roleplaying will result in my using all of the tools available within the TOS to freeze, eject and ban from property."
Dont misquote me again, you have earned your AR.

Pathetic.

If I must be pestered like this, I at least deserve a wittier adversary.

Come on, Lost. You have 'till Friday. Try harder.

He's met his goal of 666 posts before the forum closes. Shot his wad a bit early.

Just like a man

Who cares.

Hey, I resemble that remark!!!

Your name has been noted, and your title read, but..
Can you handle the responsibility?

Ranma, from what i've *now* come to understand you have a private house on private land. You don't run a shop or store or vendor or anything that warrants open visitation to the general public.

1) what makes you think Goreans (in specific or in general) wants to leave their land (private sim or mainland) and head on over to your house (which is undisclosed and before now probably wasn't even known of) and just ... crash ... your house? Seriously, we have better things to do.

2) if the purpose of your posts are to inform Goreans we aren't welcome to your house - it's well received. Again, we have better things to do.

Actually, I have a place of business sort of. I do not sell things. Recently my home was invaded by a Gorean. She was in my bedroom for some odd reason. Got very angry with me when asked what was she doing in my bedroom. I was tired so it went, freeze, return objects, eject and ban. She got banned from the sim quickly enough.
I was responding to someone that misquoted my message.
I would post rules in my business but that leaves one open to griefers.
Goreans can visit me but need to be respectful of me, my family and guests. No forced colloring, no whipping, no caging, etc. What more do I have to say?

So all of this was over 1 random Gorean?

(I did read most of this thread, but got kinda lost on all the hijacks)

Wish that was the case! It is from the incident file this week. I forget how many times I have been attacked. Have lost track of them and what do the Lindens do, well nothing. They must get their laughs reading AR reports. It has been quiet lately but hiding on a private sim not open to the general public makes it hard for griefers to reach one. This house in the thread is in a open sim.

This thread was started as someone seeking some very specific answers, and true to forum ways - it was escallated and blown into something else

You are Most welcome.I try to explain things clearly, and Calmly when presented with Valid questions.
Not everyone in our community takes the time to drop their roles and Calmly explain things, and Unfortunatley THAT leads to most of the Misunderstandings that arise about us.

In case you haven't realized by Now, GOR really isn't a cohesive community, A Single entity with a Fully coordinated outlook. Gor is Many Communities with varying levels and Intensities of Roleplay. There are some Goreans that are simply Not welcome on other Gor sims because their behaviour is Unacceptable so WE have the same problems that some of You have spoken of, That being Certain Goreans who don't Possess any sense of Courtesy, self Discipline or Propriety. These people though Calling themselves Gorean are no more welcome on Our sims than they would be on yours.
I don't see this Issue so much as a "Goreans aren't welcome" condition as much as a "Would you PLEASE use a Modecome of Common courtesy when you come to my Home" condition.

Angel

Ranma's response to the Invader was measured and reasonable Given the Nature of the transgression, and she has my support in it.

She isn't, and hasn't been saying Goreans aren't welcome on her Land, what she HAS been saying is when there, Don't act like a Jerk. I doubt very much she Intends to Boot and Ban customers if one calls the Other Mistress, but what i AM sure of is that she WOULD Boot and Ban anyone who uses their Roleplay as an excuse to be Rude, Invasive, Disruptive or generally make a Pain in the *ss of themselves.

Ranma, Have i Accurately stated your point of View as i have read it?

Angel.

I see Can i ask how you knew she was Gorean? (by way of title, groups, in her profile she was owned and collared to someone) Trying to put a bit more understanding into this for myself.



You are worried that a Gorean Master and/or Mistress will force collar one of your non-Goreans guests? Whipping isn't something that's widely done. I, for one, have heard only a few cases of a slave being whipped. There are many other forms of punishments. Not quite sure what you mean by 'caging' as in a general sense of the term. Most caging is done with RP battles. Very rarely have i seen a girl caged unless the owner was playing with her or showing someone something involving the cage.

Some Gorean Slavers on their own sim use a form of weapon that Traps a Prospective slave (Usually a Panther Girl) by Materializing a Cage around them. Some griefers have of course Obtained these weapons and use them Indiscriminately.

Angel.

As a newbie I was going to keep quiet on these kind of topics for some time. But I am weak. Plus they raise fascinating questions, questions which we have only a limited time left to discuss here.....

There seems to be reasonable agreement on the "do as you will in private" principle, the issue seems to be more of what to do on the public "common ground" areas, like many shops. It is here that the classic clash of "freedom to" and "freedom from" arises. In RL, your right to say whatever you want does not over-ride the rights of those also in the cinema trying to watch a movie, for example.

In RL this clash is resolved by the acceptance of standards of behaviour in public, developed/enforced by traditions, culture, and, ultimately, laws. Often these standards have taken decades to form.

How then do we define standards of public behaviour in SL, a very young culture, and a society without significant all-of-world-government? I'd be interested in imaginative answers to this question, my own below is horribly prosaic.

What do all the in-world Goreans, Furries, Vampires, etc have in common? Obviously, they exist only as the products on RL people's desires and imaginations, and those RL people will largely live in societies marked much more closely by their similarities than their differences - access to the technology required to play SL ensures this. I contend that these societies have broadly similar standards of public behaviour, for example most of the people playing SL will not in RL be able to go shopping naked. So, if no better alternative can be found, my suggestion is that the SL standard of public behaviour mirror the RL one. In RL you can probably buy a loaf of bread whilst wearing a rabbit suit, but I imagine most shop-owners would ring for secuity if a man led a woman into a store on a leash and made her kneel before him.

One of the earlier posters in this thread asked why shop-owners might single-out Goreans for exclusion over furries or vampires. Perhaps this is just a newbie phase I need to go through, perhaps I need to toughen my SL skin as it were, but in my case the distinction comes down to what I'll call "RL-bleed". Vampires are not scary, simply because I know they do not exist. The planet Gor does not exist either of course, but in the real world men exist who abduct women, restrain them, and attempt to subjugate them both mentally and physically. A woman on a man's leash pushes, in a small way at least, a RL horror button for me. Yes, yes, I know its "just pixels on a screen", but I think people's responses to such images can be complex. I'm sorry I don't have a proper reference, but I remember watching a documentary one day where people were asked to drink from two containers of water. They were assured, and knew, that the containers were clean, and watched water being poured into both. But one was labelled "poison", and the researchers found that many people were reluctant to drink from that container even though they knew at the intellectual level that it was safe to do so.

There is also the issue of RL experiences to consider. There may well be people in the shop who have experienced actual RL physical assault, who find the image of a restrained individual is one that invokes painful memories. But there won't be people who look at the furry and recall the time they were assaulted by a six-foot tall rabbit, nor people who look at a vampire and remember the time they found puncture marks on their neck as they were showering before work.

Thats my newbie take on things, of course I any reasonably polite corrections are very welcome.