Gorean justice

while i dont like griefers - I could not help but Laugh at the image of "Jump the wall for freedom" =)

Look I do not visit Gorean Sims with and disrupt your Gorean Lifestyle. All I am asking is for the same courtesy in return. About your role playing not being illegal I am not so sure about that. The United States has laws against Sexual Harassment. It falls under the below category.
Hostile environment harassment

Sex harassment may also arise from unwanted conduct which is so severe or persistent that it creates an intimidating, hostile, or offensive educational or working environment. Conduct may be physical, verbal or nonverbal. For example, the following types of behavior may constitute harassment: touching; hugging; kissing; sexual remarks about a person's clothing, body or sexual relations; repeated requests for a date; conversations of a sexual nature or similar jokes and stories; the display of sexually explicit materials in the workplace; and the use of sexually explicit materials in the classroom which are without defensible educational purposes.

So stop the role-playing on the land I pay tier. I will not tolerate it and the law is on my side at least in the host country and many other countries as well. What is so hard for you to understand? Do not come to my home and do things I find offensive.

If you honestly believe that a girl or boy kneeling and addressing another as Master or Mistress is Explicit Sexual Conduct/Material or Harassment.. wow, not really sure how you exsist in SL at all, since there are MUCH more explicit things going on everywhere.

As far as RPing on your land, again.. if you wish to ban a certain behavior from a place you own and have open to the public, go for it, that's your right, but will restate the same suggestion that's been posted over and over again... make sure those visiting your land are aware of your laws. If it's your private home that you're worried about, well people shouldnt be invading your home without you welcoming them anyways, so that's an entirely different issue.






And... in response to the 3rd person talk... this girl was trained in Ar by the former Assistant Kenneler, Master Aros. He trained all slaves that the use of "I" or "Me" was reserved for the free, since it's possesive and a slave does not own their freedom.
It is true that some Goreans do not insist upon the use of 3rd person talk, but it is also tue that some do. While the same can be said about the books, some slaves used 3rd person talk, while some did not.
It's also in the books that a slave does not own her or his name. That a Master can take their name or give them a name as he pleases. In "Slave Girl of Gor", can remember her being named quite a few times, each time her name was stripped away and she was granted a new name, which could again be taken from her as her Master pleased.

Without meaning to derail, note that sexual harrassment laws deal with the workplace, not public spaces. Specifically 'hostile environment' sexual harrassment only applies if an employer knew or should have known about the activity and/or didn't take action on it.

Unless you work for LL, it just doesn't apply. However, it might be an interesting side discussion on whether certain elements of SL create a hostile environment for Liasons

Sorry... I just took a manditory sexual harrasment course at work, like yesterday. My eyes are still bleeding.

Your request is turned down, it would take a prim for me to deploy such a thing and it is behavior that is not acceptable in society. It is like posting a sign in a store asking residents not to rob them.
About Hostile environment harassment, it is my home and it is also a workplace for me. Entering my land and disturbing my wa with your role-playing. Goreans believe they can do what they please to others and are wrong. Perhaps one might enter my land with collar in hand? Perhaps he is seeking a replacement slave? I do not want to role-play Gor and hearing it on my property disturbs me.


I do not care how you address each other on Gorean land; you could call your master sugarplum. I do not care about what is written in John Norman’s books. I have not read them and do not plan on reading them you seem to keep forgetting, you have no right to access private land in which you pay no tier. Forcing your culture on others is out of line. This is my final word to you on this matter.

A "Furry", as i'm quite sure you realize, is portrayed in Second Life (and any other Furry Convention) as an animal of "common" origin: cats, puppys, beavers, wolves, etc etc. By you classifying Kurii as a "furry" is just a VERY big stretch out to justify that Gorean cities would RATHER all visitors be in a HUMAN form. Since you were looking up what Kurii are, you should dig a bit deeper and see why you won't see Kurii in Gorean sims too



This of course is on the INFERENCE that slaves are there against their will. The bottom line to any harassment is an unwanted advancement from another. I'm a slave. I'm an owned slave. I am also a LOVED slave. There is no misuse of me. My Master asks me DAILY to confirm if i want to do all the things i am doing to ensure that i'm not feeling as if i'm being taken advantage of. Yes i've been taken advantage of in the past, but we learn quickly and we also learn how not to set ourselves in the same situation. If you want to claim that slaves are harassed, then find some who are actually harassed. Don't VIEW a RP scenario and conclude that they are because you don't agree with the whole situation.

If you ban Goreans due to RPing from your sim, that's your right as a sim owner. But that also puts you into the category of being a racist.

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism:
Racism refers to various belief systems maintaining that the essential value of an individual person can be determined according to a perceived or ascribed racial category and that social discrimination by race is therefore justifiable.

So, ban away - but be prepared to explain why your ban list is full of Goreans.

You said it Second Life is a workplace for me. The question of course is who employs’ me and is volunteer work covered by it? I am surprised this has not come up before this.

I brought this up since someone had said that their role-playing is legal. I am bringing this up to say that perhaps it is not. I am not a lawyer and do not have the time or interest to pursue such but the questions remain.

Oh I just finished a day of this wonderful training as well at work. I think am still cross eyed from it.

This could be the message that launches a thousand threads.

*steps out of her collar for a moment and enters her RL mode*
Did you even READ what was written?

Quote: "If it's your private home that you're worried about, well people shouldnt be invading your home without you welcoming them anyways, so that's an entirely different issue."

I'm not REQUESTING anything from you, never will, have no use for someone who is closed minded and well.. nope not going to go there and lower myself to make personal attacks.

If you wish to keep your land private, then DO SO! Nobody should enter a PRIVATE HOME or LAND that is not a place were the public is invited. That's just common sense.

If you have a public land and INVITE the general public there without announcing any specific rules or guidelines for behavior, then be ready to have a large mix of diverse people. At that point if you wish to start booting and banning people for simply calling someone "Master" or kneeeling on the ground, then do so.


I'm not disagreeing with anyone who objects to those HAVING SEX OR BEING EXPLICITLY VULGAR in PUBLIC AREAS where that behavior is not invited. Personaly if I went shopping and ended up having to step over an orgy on the floor of the store, would probably not shop there and would leave.
However, if someone is going shopping at a PUBLIC AREA and is staying within their RPing to the extent of addressing their Master as "Master" and kneeling, that is NOT something that I see a problem with. Honestly my stomach turns when I go shopping and hear
"I love you my shnookie poopies and you look sooo pretty in that new dress"
"oh thank you my snookerdoodles, you are soo good to me and spoil me"
"oh no you are good to me"
"nope, you're my good sweetums"
"no no, you're the good honey bunny"
... and so on and so on and so on.

Would LOVE to rip my eyes out at that point, but instead of having a fit.. I click the mute button and POOF no more having to see the mushy wooshy baby talk.

Actually, I do not have to justify my banning of any resident to anyone, not to you, the Gorean council or to the Lindens. I find their roleplaying distrubing to my harmony. I don't say anything on others land and do not visit Gorean sims or lands.
If you want to know, I find this roleplaying troublesome and do not pay tier to hear it on my land. Why don't you roleplay where it is welcomed? I do not care if slave loves master. I do not want to hear it on my land. What is so hard for you to understand? This is my last word on it to you.

awww but dar wuvs you muh sissy wissy pookie pie *winks and hurls*

I totally agree LOL I can't stand that mushy gooshie stuff either. Makes people look like blubbering fools IMO. But i sure don't voice that opinion. Just as my SISTER Carly does, i ignore it and move out of chat range or mute them while there.

That's more then fair enough. All of your comments enforces my reasonings not to bother going to your lands. So what is the name of it so i can add that to my "bigot" list?

awww.. muh sissy wissy is sooo funnywunny and has me heheing



(side note: also wants to hurl at the "gangsta" talk, want to yell "good god people, go back to school and learn how to speak and spell"... yet keeps that thought in her mind when around them and selects MUTE)

Oh come on. Role players are a race now?

Allow me to repost ...
Racism refers to various belief systems maintaining that the essential value of an individual person can be determined according to a perceived or ascribed racial category and that social discrimination by race is therefore justifiable.

Unless i'm mistaken, we are all races. RolePlay is an extention, a fantasy journey - a form of expression - a way of thinking while in character and while out of character, of that person. I could be wrong though, i've been a time or two

Calling it bigoted would be on the mark, I suppose, but "race" just brings an added level of hysteria to the argument.

I find it strange that visitors to Gorean sims and land have to follow a certain set of rules but refuse to follow the rules of others. When they can not have their way they resort to name calling.
I have made my point in this thread. It is only "tolerance" when they are able to roleplay anywhere but sorry you have to be a human to visit, wear the right clothing, do not interupt our roleplay, speak the proper phrases and oh yes even then we reserve the right to enslave any women encountered. What a wonderous group of people! I gracefully bow out of this thread having made my point.

So, just to clear up some confusion here, being a bigot to .. nothing ... is acceptable? There must be an object involved. That object in this case are Goreans. How is the argument adding a level of hysteria?

We are people behind the pixels. There are REAL feelings we siphen through to our avatars who are Gorean in world (and non-Goreans as i'm sure everyone will agree to). When those feelings have been hurt and when you are constantly harassed and targeted for griefing, how would that not affect the REAL person behind the pixels? Hell yes i'm a race. Just because the pixels don't bleed real blood or breath real air doesn't make it "right" by any sense to use that as an excuse to abuse others. (that's not directed to you specifically, but to to those in general - Gorean or NOT Gorean). Everyone has a right to live their First and Second lives as they see fit and NO ONE has any right to diminish it an any way.

I don't particularily enjoy furries. I've been there in human form for a specific business reason and was completely ignored. So what did i do? I took on the acceptable shape (thanks to someone who saw my situation and gave me a freebie furry shape), and i adapted. I didn't come out of it with a bad taste in my mouth. I expect all non-human shapes to take on a human form when they enter our sim. I certainly didn't go on a furry bashing mission. That's the RULES of the sim. That's the LIFESTYLE they have chosen and deligated for that sim. Those who go there are EXPECTED to adhere to it, or just simply leave. That is the bottom line. Don't like it, don't enjoy it, don't understand it - LEAVE. Don't create stress and drama because you feel 'jilted' in not being accepted.

"Goreans" didn't use name calling, *I* classified you as a bigot. Big difference. I stand my own ground and back up everything i say, anyone who knows me will attest to that. I won't cower, nor will i run.

To clear up the 'right to enslave any women encountered' statement you made. Why would any Gorean enslave a non-Gorean? What purpose would that be? Goreans don't WANT unwilling non-Goreans as slaves. The purpose of the collar is to show ownership of the slave and their devotion to the Master/Mistress who owns the collar. Why would a Free Person collar someone they don't know and who isn't even Gorean and expect them to act accordingly? Lordie, that's just a whole lot of needless and unwanted drama that we all avoid.

If non-Goreans come and want to learn and/or understand better, they are accepted and taught. Do all cities do that? Nope. Why? Because of the griefing that's gone on time and time again. But again, that's up to the particular sim. To blanket categorize all Gorean sims for the actions of a few Masters/Mistresses and/or sims is just wrong. For a moment reflect upon the situation you were in and see if that is in accordance with all Goreans and sims in SL. There are over 100 "Gorean" Search hits in SL today. You were "harassed" by all those involved? My point is this. Yes you obviously had a bad experience. You do have a right to be upset about that experience. But there are some of us who do NOT cause grief and drama and we are the ones who pay the price of the labelling.

I'd still like to know the name of your lands. I like to avoid places i'm not welcomed. You have often said that Goreans aren't welcomed in your lands. At least you can give us the name so we know where to avoid. This is in your own favor. If we know we're not welcomed there, then we won't go and therefore will cause you a WHOLE lot less stress of seeing us there.

OMG..are you just not reading what I've said?! I have NO problem following rules that are posted and presented for enterance into a SIM. If I dont agree with the rules, or don't with to abide by them, then I will not go there.

But to say in general as soon as some sets foot off their land and enters a land that DOES NOT HAVE POSTED RULES that they have to just assume they have to give up the character they RP as is not logical.

That would be like telling furies as soon as you leave "furland" that you have to shave off the fuzz, loose the tails and be human. Tell vampires ditch the teeth and get a tan. Or tell gangstas to pull up your pants and talk in proper english.

If an area INVITES the "General Public" in and does not set up guidlines that are clearly posted for guests, then you will get just that.. the General Public in ALL their RPing glory.

Again, I'm NOT refering to your private homes that you reserve only for those you wish to have there.

No, saying that such a person is bigoted against Goreans is correct. Saying they are racist is an appeal to emotion and, in my opinion, an overreaction. Goreans aren't a race. They're any person who choses to roleplay (or live the lifestyle, if that's the terminology you prefer).



How are Goreans a separate race? A race is something you are born into and cannot change.

oh.. and on a side note.. you can only "force collar" the willing. It's a GAME with people who are RPing.
If someone doesnt WANT to be a slave, simply refuse the collar and leave. Not a problem.

Well, i'm a person - yes? Actually my race of person is half Metis Native Canadian Indian and half Acadian French. So yes, i'm a race. Don't confuse that i also adhere and love living a Gorean lifestyle me not having a race.

Think this is the biggest issue of confusion sister. Most who don't know how Goreans adhere to the rules of their lifestyle RP think that if they come to a Gorean sim they will be automatically force collared into slavery. Guess they don't understand that no one wants to collar a non-Gorean because it's just too much drama and goes against the base fact of being GOREAN.

I think you have fundamentally confused the idea of "racism" with... something else.

"X is of race Y and therefore I will discriminate against him/her because of that" = racism
"X is of race Y. I will discriminate against him/her because of Z" != racism

Not that "race" is a coherent concept in any case, but that's not the issue.

Racism isn't limited to a persons ethnicity. It's also includes their belief structure. There are many forms of racism. Goreans are being bashed based on their belief structure.

"Racism refers to various belief systems maintaining that the essential value of an individual person can be determined according to a perceived or ascribed racial category and that social discrimination by race is therefore justifiable."

This isn't a 'black, white, red, yellow, green' thing. This is about beliefs a person has and how they chose to or not to live them.