Gorean justice

I had went to a furry sims once _ to seek out some Gestures and animations .a furry had seen me said we dont like humans here ...So i had said would it make a difference if i bought i furry av when i come here the furry said yes is would -i had asked this furry if i could be shown a shop were i could buy a furry av furry said yes .... took me to a place where i could buy one ... and said that i would Follow the furry rules and every time i went there to shop i would change in to the furry av before even going over - i had repected that .... Same with the main part of sl ... need to change the behaior ... to suit the sim and have to be versitlie with it all ..

God bless the King of SL,

You have finally posted something you wrote instead of a cut-paste!

I served as Magistrate on Four Gorean sims simultaniously so i speak with some authority on the Subject.

In answer to your questions, In order

#1: "Do the Gorean sims have a legal code that is generally accepted to govern their courts?"
-Many, but not all have a Legal Code derived from Known laws within the Gorean novels as Practiced in the Cities they Pattern themselves after. Justice or Law if you will is Overseen by a Caste of Magistrates, a Subcaste of the Initiates Making it in effect the second Highest Caste occupied by Humans on Gor. In other cases however, Justice is overseen by the Ubar, or Leader of the Gorean City.

#2 "is there any provision requiring a slave to be brought before a court to be sentenced to execution?"
- Yes. Under Gorean Law there are several offences that can lead to the execution of a slave. In practice However this is rarely Invoked as slaves have some Value and training and grooming them takes time, and effort. Giving them the Chop Indiscriminately is not a Common occurance at all and it would be Wasteful and Foolish to Make it Common.
I Know in fact of only One instance where the Death Penalty was Invoked. I know the case well because i was the Magistrate ajudicating the Case. I was asked to Sit for the Case as the Sims own Magistrate was Unavailable. The slave in Question was accused of, and tried for several offences that made her continued presence on the sims, If found Guilty, Impossible. In effect she faced perma-Ban from the community. In Matters of the Conducting of the trial, the slave was allowed to put up a defence, present evidence and Question accusers. because of the seriousness of both the charges, and the possible penaly to Follow it could be conducted no other way and the verdict was Not Predetermined. Had her case shown merit she would have been spared. (The actual "execution" was a matter out of my hands and i found the methods of Role playing it Morbid and distasteful, I would never allow it to be repeated)

#3 "May any city summarily execute its own slaves?"
and
#4 "What of a privately owned slave?"
-Yes, slaves that are property of the City are the same as slaves that are the property of an Individual, and Under Gorean Law An Idividual can Execute their own slave at will without cause. If one is Offended by the slave of another one Can demand the execution of the slave and obtain it by Paying the fair replacement value of the slave. If one Kills an Unescorted slave for any Offence they are required by Law to seek out the slave owner and pay Fair replacement Value.
As above these practices are rare in the extreme In SL. what i describe is the Law of the Books and Not how it is Practiced on Most Gorean Sims.

and #5 "if a slave is executed and serves three days as a ghost, may that player be killed again upon his or her return to Gor for that same offense, for example attempting to escape?"
-No the Death erases the Offence. after such a death the Owner usually has the Option of releasing the slave if their displeasure with the slave is Intense enough. If the slave is then Taken by a New owner, becomes a panther, or Outlaw, or reesablished themselves as a free, they are in Effect treated as a New Person.
This is my Understanding of how it would be conducted on a Sim that Roleplays the execution of slaves, i have no direct experience of this as the Sims i have been on, As stated before, do Not as a rule Practice execution.

This is probably the One place where On line Practice diverges most broadly from the Practice of the Books. Despite the rhetoric to the Contrary slaves Do have worth, and value. a Good one won't be wasted in such a Foolish fashion. Treating a slave thus really isn't conducive to Obtaining the greatest loyalty or service from them.

I took administering the Law Very seriously, and did so as fairly and Evenly as i could because the reason for the position was Not a Tool for Role Play, but as a Very real effort to maintain peace harmony, and balance on the sims. If you stop to think a moment, Keeping that many strong willed, proud and Forceful personalities in One environment Requires some sort of social control. Most of the cases i heard had little to do with the slaves other than determining true ownership or acting as witness to and recorder of transfers of Ownership.
Rather Mundane actually.

Angel.

I'm the Ubar of all of Gor,

Warm pleasantries

Your Ubar.

I am alex's Mistress, I answered the actual questions posed in this Thread before reading the apocrypha so here i Post again.

When alex and i are Guests in someones home, she Kneels beside me, and adresses me as Mistress, that is about the extent of our Lifestyle anyone would see (Occasionally i have her leashed as well) As alex says, it's pretty tame. We don't engage in any sort of Histrionics. it wouldn't be either Polite or civilized. Yes, at first a Few people won't know how to handle this, but after a Very short time they realize how much we Love one another, and this isn't Just in the SL sense. I have had an Impact on alex's RL in, i believe, a Positive Manner and at times when i have Really Needed someone, she's Been there for me.

We behave in a Courteous, and Dignified Manner. I simply won't have it any other way. Discourtesy is Unspeakably ugly to me. When we have been guests even in the Homes of people who don't agree with our Lifestyle (I have several close friends who don't Agree with Our Lifestyle but it's been no Barrier to friendship) they are comfortable with us because of our conduct, and because we don't Encourage others to Join our Lifestyle. I, In Fact actively Discourage it because it simply Isn't for everyone.

I Understand your feelings and Frankly if someone came bellowing into MY home acting like an Uncultured barbarian. Lifestyle or No,, ~Boom~ out they go.
Don't take the Lazy route, and Judge us Based upon a label, Rather, Judge us as People. You will find we are quite pleasant company.

Angel.

This is why Mistress doesn't take me into public very often
*giggles*

Earth to you. No. Seriously.



I'm sorry have you BEEN to a gor sim? This happens every day.



No I don't, but the Gor sims sure do, why don't you go by Taco on an alt, grab a fursuit and try TPing to a gor sim for a little bit of friendly exploration and see what happens. Quite frankly if we're not allowed to break YOUR rp on your land, your not allowed to break RP on mine where slavery is illegal.



Wrong.



Tell that to the furries who want to explore Gor.



My god the hipocracy never ends! And yes if the furry went around trying to yiff all my customers or the dragon tried to say EAT them, I would have a problem. No wait, THEY would have a problem.



FURRIES IN GOR. nuff said.



Why do you get to break everyone elses RP, but they can't break yours without being banned from the sim is a better question.




So do I, and that is well within their right as long as its not in my home. This is the concept you fail to get, MY home. I want to set up a certain environment, just as the Gors do with their sims. If your RP breaks the environment I wish to setup then yeah, we have a problem.




The long story short of it? Because your sims do it to everyone else.

And there are NO slaves on my land, thats something that doesn't appear to be coming accross. You can find nowhere in the book of me that states "And he allowed slavery"

Your joking right? The RP in gor has to be some of the most pedantic drivel I've ever seen in my life. Ever seen a good storyteller go at it in Vampire? Puts the average Gorean to shame. Sure some of you are capable of going beyond the me tarzan you slave girl routine, but after rolling an alt through Gor for a couple of weeks, I haven't seen it often.

But then after reading one of John Normans books I'm not entirely surprized, that man uses enough literary crutches in his writing that he should be applying for disability.

And using special "Made up words" doesn't make your RP in any way deep. Otherwise I'm going to fire off some Mechwarrior RP and go on about LRM 20's and NARC beacons and really put you all to shame!

Boorish, yet lame, at once managing to be not the least clever and, simultaneously, to miss the entire point of every single discussion of any note whatsoever going on within the entire thread.

Well done! That takes some doing.

You're fine except when you get set on a crusade, clio.

Lupus, as there are no slaves on your land, would you mind naming it so that I can avoid it? I'm afraid my furry alt, being also a slave (as any alt of mine would be -- as I said, my devotion to Mistress is beyond mere roleplay), will also need to avoid it. In any event, I don't want to offend you unduly, so better I know now so that I can give the place a miss.

Thank you.

I think you meant the point Alex, what I was shooting at is its my right to say if someone waddling around on a leash and collar goes or not, and I found it highly offensive that a group almost known for its outlandish isolationism when it comes to others visiting the sim dared to tut tut at anyone setting similar rules on their own land.

And I thought you were the Major of all of dicks. I salute you!

Briana Dawson

Oh, well, of course it is. You can do just about anything you please with your own land/sim, within the boundaries of course of the law, the TOS, and the random whims of the Lindens.

Sorry, I took your comments to be deadly serious and not just making a point.

And they told you they would respect your land... BY NOT GOING THERE.

After they had already told you that THEY DON"T RP ON OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY...

And you keep on trotting out this crap abput how they don't respect your land....
blah, blah, blah....

Unlike some people around here I DID READ THE WHOLE THREAD....

And *you,* Tardis, seem to have a problem seeing anything beyond the end of your own nose... No one is telling you that you cannot control your home and store...

They are saying that your apparent, absolute, intolerance of others as *you* have expressed, AD NAUSIUM, here in this thread has strains of BIGOTRY in it, and THAT Tardis, is offensive to the RL side of almost every person here!

I'd like to know what land you live on as well so I can avoid it. I'm not furry, or Gorean or anything else at the moment because I'm just content as a "hitchhiker" for now...

If you tell the Goreians where you live I'll bet you'll never have to see one again....

=B-)

Thank you for such a wonderfully focused answer to the OP's questions. IT has to be one of the best postings I have seen of this forum. I have a sense that I grok the Gorean perspective without the benefit of having read the literature.

Many thanks.

=B-)

To adress some misconceptions that my post might have caused. I don't ban goreans from my land and shop. I won't swoop down on them "guns blazing" for engaging in any kind of rp.
What i do (if and when other customers are disturbed by their behavioir and notify me of that, and this doesn't mean simply calling each other "Master" and "girl" in open chat. If someone notifies me that he s disturbed by such trivial behavioir i'd probably tell them to please just tolerate it) is simply stepping out of my office, approach them and ask VERY politely and respectfully to limit their roleplay to help fellow customers feel at ease.
The same i would do with ANY kind of behavioir that might cause the large majority of my customer a disturbance.
I am myself a roleplayer, and i LOVE roleplaying a samurai (between other things). Still if two samurai roleplayers step in my shop and start a duel in the middle of other customers, i'll approach them and politely ask them to stop.
The problem is that most of the times this happened with goreans, not only i received a negative answer, but i received an ego-tripped/insulting/rude answer (when i wasn't actually griefed) wich doesn't really help non goreans appreciate or tolerate the roleplay.
Unfortunately this is one of the causes of the lack of respect for the gorean roleplay outside of the Gor sims. Can anything be done about it? Not sure. Maybe further education of the new roleplayers could be in order, but that's not for me to decide.

Yet another collar-jerk-dom-slave remark.

Warm Regards,

Ubar of All of Gor and surrounding islands.

Had a nice IM with you and you understand why can not post my address. I would find myself hip deep in griefers. Though I suspect they will not be of Gor the griefing will be real.
The "strains of BIGOTRY" has you have written work both ways and you do not understand me. I have never visited a Gor sim to "free the slaves" The few trips made were done in proper dress and proper customs were followed at all times. Goreans are free to visit my home and business but only ask that they do not distrub the wa of my home. I just ask visitors to respect my home, nothing more. Oh just because I run around my land in a stste of undress it does not mean am slave, ok?

Exactly what I was thinking while reading that post. Thanks, saved me the trouble of posting it.

Funny you should say that as i was just think that to

Join date ... June 2006?

You're not Prokofy, are you?

No, perhaps not. You have Prokofy's irrational obsession, but you appear to lack the accompanying intelligence.

I think I love you.