Gorean justice

Yes! You put it much better than me.

I knew she was Gorean by the groups that were in her profile.



Happened to me, I had to use the potty and unwisley did not sit down. When I returned someone had "caged" me and he informed me I was now his slave and property. Hmmm what a jerk! In this case I used my security orb to send him home after freezing him. I then banned him from my land. He never returned and forgot to look at his profile. Not sure about this one.
At my first land I was getting hit by sportic sniper fire from time to time. It was not far from the Gorean City of Tulan? He have Gorean groups in his profile. He was so brave firing upon me at what must of been the limit of his draw range. Never saw him but got his name from the PvP. What a brave warrior shooting free women and tarns at distance!

Actually, "speaking like a slave" or the use of third person is relatively rare in the books and most slaves speak in first person unless commanded otherwise.

Ghoti, where did your tolerance and acceptance go? I think a lot of women get upset with female Gorean RPers in general, Kajirae in particular, because they feel that somehow these women are causing women as a group to lose the ground that the Sufferage moment fought so hard to gain. But I submit (ironic, I know) that the whole point of the Sufferage movement was the freedom of *choice*. In this case you are condemning Carly for something she freely chooses to do. Therefore, the biggest threat to Sufferage may, in fact, lie with intolerant, close minded women like you who demand just as vehemently that women today stay in the mold you and your sisters have decided for them as men in past generations did.

Carly made her choice. It doesn't affect you. So why do you feel the need to spew your venom on her?

(still you do use a quote from HP Lovecraft, only the greated horror writer ever, as your sign off therefore you are blameless)

-Kiamat Dusk

Who gives four flying fucks? I sure don't! Let's make out, everyone!

You're really hard up for that kiss. Where's Neehai when you need him, huh?

-Kiamat Dusk

Who's that? How big is his pr0n?

Neehai is Ulrika's angry male alt. No idea about the size of his pr0n. Maybe ask Juro Kothari?

-Kiamat Dusk

OK.. if that is what you ment to say all along.. perhaps you should simply say ANYONE who comes to your land and acts like a jerk, is a griefer, is disrespectable or harasses your guests would be banned.

What I've been reading is that "Goreans" are the ones you say are doing this, when in general I have seen 90% of the "jerks" in game to be just random individuals.

Please don't come to an understanding yet. We still have ~24 hours of Forum life left to squander

They had "Gorean" type group names and one had the title of "scribe". Perhaps someone can make a listing of all of the Gorean groups that are real and not the Disney or want to be groups. What is the crime of pretending to be Gorean to be able to grief and shift attention to someone else? Perhaps the ones griefing me were pretending to do so and thus grief more than one resident and entire groups of residents. Just a thought in the closing hours of the forums.

Distinction, they are all disney as this is Earth, not Gor.

Next time that happens, ignore the person and find a sim admin and file a complaint! I have been present when several furry sim owners have said that such behavior WILL NOT BE TOLERATED! Unlike gor, where the wrong AV gets you caged and the goreans stand around all self-congratulatory about having defeated an 'attack' (read someone trying to get to the marketplace unmolested that had the wrong av on), the person or persons that said that to you was nothing more than a lone furry jackass....one that neither speaks for all furs or for the sim admins I have been around.

Yes, the furry fandom has its lame-assed human haters....however the bulk of furs DON'T INSTITUTIONALIZE THAT BIGOTRY IN WRITTEN RULES LIKE THE GOREANS DO.

Oh, what the hell. Since the end is drawing near anyway, would you say that restaurants that require a jacket and tie are likewise bigoted?

I'm guessing this is the first you've read of this thread? That's the only reason I could see for you bringing me back into the discussion, my having not posted in here in well over a week. Anyway...



I can tolerate almost anything. What I don't tolerate very well is me or my friends being frozen, caged, and sim-banned for the 'crime' of having neko ears and a tail while trying to shop in Gor lands (while wearing their visitor label too, btw). I am perfectly fine with folks doing their thing so long as they tolerate me doing my thing.



Yes, the slavery shit really gets under my skin. Not just the women though, but also male slavery. If there's anything I value in life, it is my personal freedom.

I am not closed-minded. I do not think anywhere in here will you find me saying that Gorean women must adhere to my views. Please re-read my posts in this thread seperate from the other posts and I think you'll see that while I may make angry points, I have not been intolerant (with the possible exception of the 'you have a name' post, which I admit was a goad).

Out of sight, out of mind though. Other than my desire to buy some of their clothing (some are amazing designs) I do not have any dealings for or against Goreans. If I had been allowed to shop in their sims as myself (plus a visitor tag) I might never have examined their subculture in enough detail to be disturbed by it.



See above. Carly was a convenient target, being that she presented herself as a Gorean spokesperson. If I haven't made it clear before, it was not Carly I was/am 'spewing venom' at, but rather the Gorean policies that say its alright to abuse visitors who have done nothing wrong. Yes, when I or my friends are abused, I carry a grudge a long time.

And Carly, if it seemed I attacked you personally... really, nothing personal. Be whatever you want to be, but take a good hard look at the WHY of my posts.



I will never claim to be blameless.

I believe the Lovecraft quote speaks volumes to the point of my posts, actually. I believe more of our true nature shows through in this 'merely virtual' world that is Second Life than we show the world in the 'terraqueous globe' that is real life.

Gor telling me and my friends 'you can not be you while you are visiting here' lies at the root of it all.

-Ghoti

[edited for rotten spelling]

The problem with Gor is those who think they are real Goreans. Gor is not real, it's fake. Your typing on a computer screen and access this through the internet. Last I checked, Gor didn't have computers.

Those of us that roleplay and don't take Gor so seriously are the better group to be with. We actually have fun and take roleplay just as a role to interact with others doing the same. There is no such thing as Gor. It's nice to be imaginative and such - but the people who are "real goreans" need to pull their head on the clouds. You drive a car, not fly around on a giant bird.

Most of those that do play in Gor are there for the combat and competiveness. We have a great combat system in which is a lot more fun than any first person shooter or video game I've ever played.

The point of Gorean Roleplay is to have fun and play out a set realm. Not walk around and shove ideals of the books down everyones throat and say, "Hey! I'm Gorean in Real life!" If your Gorean, you'd be doing prison time for beating, maiming or killing your slave as they have done so in the books.

Not to mention you'd be a heap of ash for using a computer

I wish i could say that this was 100% correct Ranma, But unfortunately i Can't. I recall One entire Gorean Sim who's Citizens behaved SO Over the Top no matter where they were that to be a Citizen of That City was to be Banned from almost All the other Cities whether the specific citizen had done anything or Not. No one wanted to take the Chance.
One could Argue that By Doing so, the Gorean Community at Large was saying "These people are Not Gorean". Perhaps in a way We were. But in most things, these people DID follow the Precepts of Gorean Culture. They simply had absolutely No respect for otherws, or Self Discipline. Yes, they were Gorean, Yes, they were griefers, But NO, they did not, and Do Not reflect the attitudes and behaviors of us all. Their sim is Gone Now, I may be wrong, but i Believe the Sim Owner was Perma-Banned, But Many of these people are still out there. Some in New Homestones (Clan held Lands) Some, no doubt Flying Solo.

BTW:
"Scribe" is the Name of a Caste within Gors Caste System, There are others, such as Initiates, Magistrates (My caste, and a sub caste of the Initiates) Warriors, Merchants, Healers, Even Assassins (This caste isn't as Common as the others because their Members usually have Difficulty Fitting in to the more rigidly structured sims without causing conflict).These Are the "By the Book" castes you will find in the Novels.Most Gorean Sims posess groups reflecting the castes that make up their society.
Just this Past Evening, I accepted the Post of Chief Magistrate of my City. As a Citizen of that City i am Member of Three groups Reflecting my Caste, My Citizenship, and my social group.
Examples of common group names you will see will be identifiers like "Citizen of Port Cos" "Warrior of Ar" "First Sword of Port Kar" (First Sword and Second Sword are Top Ranks within the Gorean Warrior Caste) "Scribe of Tharna".
Those denote Various Free Persons Caste or group Names.
Slaves tend to Identify themselves as "Pet of..." "Slave of..." "...'s Kajira/Kajiru" (Kajira is a Female slave, Kajiru is Male.) "City slave of ..."
There are also the usual assortment of Gorean Outlaws. "Pirate of...." "......Taluna" or ".......Panther tribe". All within Normal Gorean Roleplay, and Not Necesarily trouble makers.
With so many it Can be confusing for those not Familiar with us to Pick out the ones who Might be trouble but someone with a group name like "Hell Raisers of Gor" is Unlikely to be associated with a Gorean Homestone as the Title is decidedly NOT Gorean.

It IS most definately a Crime in Gor Society to take for ones self the Name of a Homestone where one is NOT a Citizen. Doing so will lead to someone not only being Banned from the Offended Homestone, But Warnings will be Issued to all the associated Homestones so the fraud will not be accepted. If a Citizen of a homestone Commits a griefing Offence Outside the Community, the Offended Party Can, and should Look up the leader of that Homestone and make a complaint (And for Gods sake no Matter what you Read on these Forums, AR the griefer). I Can say in Most cases the Citizen Would be sanctioned for bringing dishonour upon the Homestone. If the griefer turns out to be a Fraud, you would also be doing the Gorean Homestone a service by Letting them know their reputation is being jeopardized by a Fraud, You will not find us Ungrateful for the Information. In Either event, Please be Polite when you DO make such a complaint. That more than anything else will Get you a positive Response.
One last thing, If the Leader of a Homestone acknowledges the person IS one of theirs but takes a "F*ck-You" attitude then you can be pretty sure the whole group is like the griefer you met, and you can act accordingly.

I Hope this sounds reasonable to you, and I'm sorry to have Carried on so long but some of this Does take explanation.

Angel.

I wish i could say that Gor was 'perfect' in any sense of the word - we all know it's not. It's unfortunate that you went through this. With your new explanation of what actually happened, i don't blame you at all. But please don't categorize all Goreans as having this low level of manners and education of Gorean ways

These are so many of the reasons why my Master and i have left the organized cities and made our village in the woods where its focus is on living in a peaceful environment and training slaves who wish to learn the proper gorean ways and manners.

well wishes

Actually i have found out the more i learned about Furries and all the more i loved them ... They make way much more cents then the rest of of the Sl ... and if a every picked up role play ever i would love to be a furry ... All least a furry is normal ... NO! collars And every one roams free and has fun , And I had got more furry av after that ... all i can see is FURRY's Rulez the rest Drools As you would say Pounce and nuzzles .Plus To me Furrys are Normal .. the rest arent No bowing down to another ... No titles Every one is equal in the Furry's ... Just like a Pack in a animal Family i see the love and repect ...

FURRY's to me Are the Norm of SL the other arent .. and hugs

Someone missed the furry BDSM sim.

Must it always be us vs. them?

Well, black sheep are always a problem, in any group. As soon as you state "I belong to that group of people", you're being measured by the actions of other group members. For example, the giant group of BDSM lifestylers. There are people outside the lifestyle who happen to meet a gorean couple and think "so, that's BDSM. That's how those Mistresses and Masters treat their subs and slaves".
Luckily the BDSM folks in general are such a giant group that it quickly becomes clear to everyone that there are all sorts of playstyles, kinks and fetishes. The only overall guidelines are "safe, sane and consensual" (meaning, for example, that no one would ever threaten to kill or severely harm a sub / slave) and the respect for other people's kinks, even if they don't happen to be our kinks as well.

When I see an adult in diapers, I try to understand that fetish and treat him with the same respect as any other person. When I meet a vampire or demon, I'll play along or at least not ruin their roleplay by pointing out that vampires and demons don't exist or don't fit into my personal roleplay. When a furry walks by, I respect that as well - I can either take that furry as an antropomorphic, talking animal or, if it doesn't match my roleplay world, as a human being in a fur suit. But I'd never say "please, take that ridiculous costume off" and ruin that persons RP world with my words. Same as I wouldn't demand a change of dress of someone who wears black latex and a gas mask.

That is - one respects all that as long as their behaviour doesn't offend others. There isn't possibly anything offending about a furry avatar. A sub being led around on a leash or kneeling at the feet of her master is hardly offending too. But everything can become a tad too much. A furry running around with his genitals dangling free between his legs would clearly be too much in some areas. Abovementioned guy in diapers would go one step too far if he starts to fill them in the middle of a shop, with all the appropriate emotes. And a Dom threatening his slave to rip her toenails out if she doesn't behave is most shocking to every bystander, just about everywhere but within a gorean sim (and yes, I actually heard that kind of threat in a public place).

Live and let live, and cut it back a little when you happen to be in the presence of non-lifestylers. And when you say "I belong to those people", take a good look at the people you associate yourself with. A non-Gor Domme or Dom makes own rules and adjusts them to fit the needs of a particular submissive; no one outside that relationship will possibly live by the exact same rules, and the rules can be bent or changed if they cross the personal limits of one partner. But if you do it by the book(s), you're measured by all followers of that particular scripture. Just thinking of religious folks... all christians follow the same odd rulebook, resulting in them being all viewed as odd folks, even if they don't harass people at their doorstep and wave with pamphlets about the near apocalypse.

Im Quoting all other role play too NOT!! only Gorean .... i see it every where ...

I see a great Pride and cents of a Moral Structure With the Furries too ...

Zeph, I tried, but I can't at all understand what you just said.

when you saif us v.s them ?

whit my comment Quote:
Originally Posted by Zephria Zapata
FURRY's to me Are the Norm of SL the other arent .. and hugs


Must it always be us vs. them?
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