Can "rape" occur in SL?

FFS, I have been, and I find comparisons of actual rape to pixels on a screen absurd. Worse than that, actually.

She left her av cuddled with her BF's AV on a MUlti animation object - it includes cuddles and sex. Her Bf's AVatar crashed.

Letting two avs "sleep" together after a night of cybering isnt so totally unusual.

So what? I mean literally so what?

Does leaving an Av on a poseball equal Cosent to cybersexual activity now?

I think you need to read my post more thoroughly before commenting, as well as the posts leading up to it. Seems more like you were looking for something to say and used my post as a target. Since I even say they arent the same in that post.

In fact that post was mainly about the fact its not the victims fault.

I made it very clear I do not equate the "Cyber rape" to Real Life rape. Where is akin to rape in that it is literally a Depiction of rape with a non consensual partner involved. Which is part of the Subject matter in discussion.

Literally exactly what the rape role-players say can not happen.

If the arguement is cyber Rape-play should be allowed to take place when its consensual by all parties. Cases where its not consensual, is definitely an Issue.

Otherwise the whole argument about Rape-role play always being consentual is just a smokescreen to what the proponents want. At which point I find it objectional.

Period meaning

"Its unwanted cyber/pixel contact of a sexual theme not consented to. Period."

Just like I said. It was at the end of a paragraph detailing that the term Cyber Rape wasnt necessary to describe what happened.

Are you implying Sara was consenting to what happened?

Reguardless of how bad you feel what happened was or not, she did not consent to what happened merely by laying on a poseball.

Which is not roleplay at all.

Ill try to explain , as I think People are misunderstanding me.

Comparision in that its a depiction of.

Virtual rape play is a depiction of rape play.

Taking advantage of an afk avatar is a depiction of rape.

Its not anywhere near as bad as RL rape- As Ive said over and over. I dont know that people get that I said that, they just want to label me on a "Side" so they can debate.

Acting out a cyber "sleeping woman / rape scene" with a non consensual partner is wrong - thus thats why I said so. Blaming on her is also wrong. It was the Guys fault who acted it out.

Its an issue - certainly. I find it very surprizing people are so casual about someone engaging non-consensual activity like this.

I became very personally offended though when people acted like she deserved it becuase she left her av there.

And then -

I will admit when I asked if in Real Life if a woman is raped for passing out at a party, is it her fault? And the answer was "depends" I lost my temper.

I find that a deplorable position. The entire "she was asking for it" charge gets to me on a personal level.


As Ive said -

In my opinion -

Consensual Rape Play potentially in my opinion should probably be left between the peopel who want to perform it. Rather than LL stepping in and getting involved.

Virtual Sexual Harrasment of the sort Sara experienced ( for an attempt at a more neutral term) which isnt consensual, should be not allowed, reguardless if she was afk or not.

So you are doing a service to humanity by simulating rape and murder with psychotics who will go and do it in RL if not for you playing at it with them for money? What happens when SL is down, would they go and rape real women until they get back to you?

Truly, Philip Rosedale should be proud of what Second Life has become.

I don' think Rape can occur in SL.

I think someone can verbally rape you though. To that you only have the defense of the mute button.

Colette said it right though. They clearly say the visual depiction of rape is against the rules. You can fight about the semantics of what or what is not rape, but anything that seems to be forced sexual contact would be rape in my book.

The odd thing is that the target audience of these soap operas mostly consist of women. As you said, it were girls screaming and cheering for this actor. Some women have the fantasy to be a bit forced or roughly taken, but by a handsome male of course. Someone they would want to engage with in any case. Just as males dream of being "forced" by attractive women

That's basically what BDSM and even rape play, from the viewpoint of a submissive, is all about. To be forced to something one likes and desires, by a person one trusts and finds attractive. If possible by someone who instinctively understands the sub's needs. If the dominant attempts to do something the sub dislikes, she (or he) can use a safeword, or in SL simply get off the poseball and walk a few steps away. It's completely consensual, and usually there's an OOC dialog going on between the partners via IM, in the lines of "Am I being too rough? Is this still ok with you? etc."

The number of submissives with the desire to be forced is much larger than the number of dominants. Many people were talked into playing a dominant role by a submissive partner. Many are "switches", who feel the need to submit and serve themselves, but also enjoy to "do to others as they would that they'd do unto them".
I think the origin of this urge is the messed-up morality of our societies when it comes to sex. It's dirty, it's a sin, one doesn't talk about it at the dinner table, and most variants of it are perverted. A woman can hardly describe in detail what she would like to do in the bedroom (if it involves some kinky fantasies), even with a partner they love and trust. It becomes even harder in a partnership, since one fears to alienate the beloved person. The easiest way (for someone brought up and messed up by moralists) is to find a partner who shares the same kinks, and to hope that he "forces" all the things onto them they don't dare to ask for.

But that doesn't change that people are very aware of the fact that their sex objects are human beings like themselves. BDSM lifestylers are usually more aware of their partner's needs and respect them more than "vanilla" people; a BDSM scenario is the very opposite of rolling over and snoring after the own needs have been satisfied. It becomes vital to correctly interpret behaviour, facial expression and tone of voice, in order to know when a "No" really means "No".
It's only a small percentage of selfish brutes that disrespect or even hate their objects of desire, brutes who already have the wrong ideas and don't need further encouragement from certain forms of pornography or TV shows. Just as some people can't drive responsibly (which is not caused by racing simulations), can't keep their drinking under control (not caused by TV shows depicting alcohol abuse) or can't handle firearms in a responsible way (not caused by western movies).

See above. In most cases it's the one who desires to play the submissive role in a rape scene, who talks their dominant partner into going further than he'd usually dare to (or even want to). And if the dominant desires it as much as them, he will nonetheless treat his partner in a caring and respectful way outside a roleplay scene that goes only as far as the sub allows and desires (otherwise they won't have a partner for long).

Yes, there might be a few disturbed people who act out rape play because they really desire to rape, not just to dominate and thereby fullfill the needs of a submissive they often deeply love and respect. There also might be a few disturbed subs, who may hurt themselves (suffering from borderline personality disorders like SI - self injury or SH - self-harm), if they don't have the chance to be lightly hurt and humiliated by others. Geez, there might be suicidal persons who go skydiving in the hope that their parachutes don't open. No reason to forbid something essentially harmless. RL lawmakers already have that much insight and chose to allow consensual BDSM play.

Evolution is a rather random process with a random outcome. The successful species are fit to survive, but not consequently rational, optically pleasing and well-behaved in other words, natural selection often favors the brutes. Humanity is nothing good or noble or the crown of the animal kingdom, just some confused primates trying to survive in a most complex world. On the whole, we did a pretty good job so far; criminality rates are constantly decreasing, despite (I'd say because of) all those violent movies and games, quality of life permanently increasing.



If no child was harmed producing that porn (rendered or drawn pornography), I'd say that's a good idea. Like metadon for heroin junkies.

Yes, you basically said it's not the same degree of rape, but cyber rape nonetheless. There's a reason people use the word "combat simulation", and not "cyber murder", because a combat simulation is perfectly harmless. Even the non-consensual variant of combat RP, where people are shot against their will, is called "PvP MMO", to avoid assigning the negative connotations of a word like "murder" to something essentially harmless.

If someone waits naked on a poseball in a sex-themed sim, with another free poseball next to her (or him), they must be aware of the fact that some people don't have enough manners to ask. Especially newbies often view other people's avatars as "content", having not yet learned to make a distinction between an avatar and other, sometimes also animated 3D objects.
Of course that's very rude and upsetting. If the offender is a newbie, one should talk to him and explain how things work in SL. If it's an older resident, one could mute him, ask the sim owner to ban him or even AR him. But calling them rapists (or cyber rapists) goes into the arena of slander. I'd simply call it harrassment.

I wish I could find the link and remember the name of this other cyber rape situation in another gaming community.
The situation was these unsuspected women were minding their own business weren't consenting nor rape role players. They got trapped by this other avatar who basically trapped them, talked to them about disfiguring and mutilating them. He had circumventing the system so literally he could entrap any woman who walked or was near him. Some of them were prior rape survivors so when the situation happen they literally were suffering from the deer in head light syndrome and became re-traumatized. These women didn't agree, consent or even know this person. The guy was banned by the community yet was able to some how sneak back in. Some how they were able to block the guy permenantly but cyber rape does exist. Same with stalking,etc. With technology and ablity to hack some one could single out a avatar, locate there personal information, stalk, harrass and even track them down in real life if they choose too. So technically it is possible for situation that has to do cyber rape situation to become very, very real. Same way with maniplating someone trust and preying on some one online. There have been real life situations that started in chat communities that lead to major crimes. Now saying all this roleplay and consensual roleplay situations is another story especially if between two consenting adults in the privacy of there own im's. The difference is they are consenting. The other has to do with extreme case of grieving someone who hasn't consented.

Rape in SL is about as close to the real thing as Murder in SL is when someone puts a bullet into your AV's head compared to a bullet in your real head.

Death doesn't exist in SL but the emotions of person behind the avatar are real. If you're nasty to someone unless they just don't care or not very emotional, they are effected in same way if you do something good towards someone. Be it SL or first life. Only rape I have seen is finicial and creative type but you can choose to not buy or spend. Yet if you want space with out ads, expand you have to pay or deal with the space as is. Every time I see ugly builds I feel its form of rape, but I can just not look or try not too.

There are emotions. When someone attacks another with biting words, insults, or comments meant to harm, it can hurt people unprepared for it.

But I can't see how someone's avatar can be raped. Not unless it's a consensual raping x.X; You have to put your avatar on the poseballs, or in the position, you always have the option to leave, mute, ban, teleport away. It's not like real life where you might be held down tied up knocked out or whathaveyou.

I would much rather someone shot me in SL than tried to sexually abuse me. Shooting wouldn't bother me at all, the latter would.

So it comes down to: don't molest people who don't want to be molested. That should be self-understood. All forms of this are considered an offense and are possibly bannable, be it the caging of people, cluttering their land with junk prims, insulting them, stalking them, or unaskedly annoying them with sexual emotes. It's called griefing and in some cases harrassment. No one argues that such behaviour can't be tolerated.

What LL calls rape though is the depiction of violent sex. Which is consensual per definition, since no one can be forced to sit on a poseball or be forced to stay on it. It's about themed sims for rape roleplayers, where they engage in consensual roleplay with like-minded people, not about griefing / harrassment which was always considered an offense.

I don't mean to sound like a dunderhead, but are people really that wrapped up in their avatars that what happens to their cartoon is traumatizing? I know I sound like I'm belittling it, and I guess I am. The idea just sounds. Er. Loopy to me. I mean, if you identify *that* strongly with a cartoon figure, maybe "cyber rape" isn't the worst of your problems?

Some people do get very attached to their avatars.

I personally don't see the big deal... I can't see how someone can be forced to have sex with another unless it was "consensual rape" in Second Life.

Imagine situation where you are building and minding your own business on your, friends or public sandbox land with a bunch of female friends. Suddenly some one pops in that you don't know and starts to do really annoying sexual behaviors to all the females there.
Would you get upset because they are your friends or are they just pixels to you?

I think one has to be careful to differentiate the frustration one feels when one is griefed (a common experience in any online venue) and when one is experiencing something more sinister.

So far, no one has been able to do more than grief me in SL, and it's pretty mild by comparison to other venues I've frequented. The worst experience I've had online anywhere sums up to stalking, which goes beyond griefing to a real problem, but I've had much worse in real life.

Triggers of past RL trauma I can understand as well.

I just don't understand a direct comparison of tasteless griefing with real assaults.

Trigger is a trigger. The person could be having bad day ill,etc. and emotional reaction to situation could be the same as real life event for some. In situation I described in that other online world the women who being "griefed" got really trigger and frozen emotionally in the situation they were in and their logic in how to deal with it became frozen too. Anyone who has been attacked in real life or even bullied where it effected them deeply be it online or offline can get how a nonconsensual rape like situation could occur. I figure most here wouldn't be able to comprehend it.

here is link I was looking for.
http://www.albany.edu/faculty/rpy95/webtext/cyber.htm Sadly some of the links are broken but the story was very compelling. Wish the links worked. Regardless do search for word cyber rape on google there are lot of interesting and also real life crimes that started out virtually.