Can "rape" occur in SL?

No

On a sexgen item either partner can control it. It is a multple animation/position device.

I wish sometimes it was owner only - some people have ZERO attention span when it comes to positions (those ones never get invited back)

Although I agree its not even a fraction as bad as RL rape - It wasnt her neglect which allowed it to happen.

It was some rotten bastards total lack of respect for her that allowed it to happen.

Him cuddling a naked woman he was not lovers with - in any AV would have been wrong.

Though less wrong then what that scumbag did.

Did you just say somethin, dear?

luckily you dont have that attention span problem, Id have complained by now , hun

Winter, I think mon Chere people would be surprised at the number of Women engaging in Enacting rape fantasies in SL who actually experienced rape in RL. The Rape fantasy is not a rape, and there is a fairly solid division in the minds of many survivors of RL attacks, such that they can participate in Either role Victim, or Attacker) without being traumatized at all. More than one person of Both our aquantances in SL fit this catagory. No names of course, because thier RL experiences were told me in confidence.
I agree fully that such things as the Deceptive Pose Ball would more likely be viewed as infantile griefing by the Victim. Having been the victim of rape or sexual abuse in RL so far hasn't seemed to bring out any Particularly Vivid reactions on the part of our mutual friends when they have been griefed in a sexual fashion, Just the usual Shaking of thier heads, and sighs at the childishness of the griefer. I'm not at all saying that it doesn't happen, what i Am saying is it doesn't necesarily happen All the Time Either.

There is no "One size fits all' standard of peoples Emotional or Psychological reactions. Many would be Upset, Just as many would Not.

Angel.

I could have forgotten about it.......

thats it im making you a prim dog house to go out back.

Do I know you

I built your house, remember? I had to change the windows a dozen times?

You two are simply incorrigible. That's broadly offensive, and I'm reporting it.

Its not my fault she has a short attention span when it comes to windows!

I see why you're post-count is so close to 5,000 now.

Did he just call us incoorigably simple and offensively broad?

Becuase of Brenda?

whoa lol - I dont think she wants the blame for me.

Mine's actually higher than I'd like it to be. I need intervention.

I dont think we are simple, anyhow.

no thats apple and oranges;
in saras case she left her ava naked, and was gone long enough to be, for lack of a better term, pixelated. even though her BF was there, and crashed,(which is also suspicious in my mind, he did not return for 30m?), leaving yourself like that is yes basically asking for it.

in regards to a woman falling asleep at a party? depends on the party, the person, did she feel safe enough to do so, and whether she was naked or not. i would liek to think that we, as women, would have enough common sense not to put ourselves, virtual or not, in situations that would cause one to be harmed. i know some things cannot be helped, in the case of sara and the naked ava issue? that could have been prevented.

and i still suggest if she wishes to do so in the future, for her to ivest in a security orb.

The whole premis of allowing this Rape Play in Second Life is consent. People want to say its okay as long as their is consent of all parties. Im willing to accept that. Its not my place to judge people's activities like that.

Well in Sara's case she didnt consent. All she consented to was lay down AFK with her boyfriend. That scum did those things to her without her consent.

Her Av was laying next to her Online boyfriend - she had every reasonable expectation hed still be there when she got back.

So , no , she didnt necessarily put herself in a risky situation - even if that mattered.

Could she have avoided it by not laying there naked? Sure. So what? She wasnt asking for her AV to be subjugated to that stuff by some slimeball - and she certainly didnt consent to it.

In the case of a girl at a party - If she gets drunk and passes out - she is not Consenting to having sex. She simply gets drunk and passes out. If she is raped she was not "Asking for it", Becuase unless you agree to have sex you are saying No.

Could a woman in that situation of avoided it? Sure by not getting drunk at the party. Was it her fault? Of course not.


Very very simply - YOU are not asking for sex unless YOU ASK FOR SEX.

You must provide consent for that.

IRL if you dont consent - its rape.

In SL its harassment you didnt ask for, basically cyber rape. No of course its not anywhere near as bad as RL, but its a lot worse then some bozo with a orbiter.

If you dont like the term, call it assault instead. Its unwanted cyber/pixel contact of a sexual theme not consented to. Period.

hmm...

Between #148 and #169, you had 12 posts...

Everyone else put together had 9!

Not criticism... just an observation.


Closer to on-topic, earlier someone was trying to differentiate between roleplaying gay-bashing and roleplaying rape...

I could understand why someone might fantasize about being raped and want to role play a situation where they were. People have inhibitions... being forced absolves one of yielding to temptation.

I can't, however, see why anyone would want to "role play gay bashing". (other than for the purpose of dramatazation/story-telling, education, therapy or self-defense lessons,)

Gay-bashing is a way of saying "Hey, it's okay to kill these people, they're not really human anyway." Just "pretending" to believe that gay-bashing is okay in SecondLife... a world with a large gay community... would be like someone jackbooting around in a nazi uniform in a Jewish neighborhood on halloween. Yeah, it's just a joke. ha ha. Funny.

Not.

(yes sure, SOME rapists may feel towards all women similarly to how a gay-basher feels towards all gays... I suspect most of them have other reasons.)

i stand by my answer- if she had of used common sense, it wouldn't have happened. period. and in the case of the sleeping woman, if you get drunk in areas unfamiliar to you and pass out, and depend on the kindness of strangers...then you are a fool. you said so yourself:"Could a woman in that situation of avoided it? Sure by not getting drunk at the party."
i am not disputing the fact that the guy was a jerk, but COMMON SENSE, says do not leave yourself in a position to be harmed in any situation. you may disagree, but thats the truth.

Am i redneck bashing, because I built a trailer park? Oh, wait/me looks around my mobile home.

You did it again didn't you? I turn my back for just a few hours and you write another 6 pages!!! phew! just caught up.

Excellent posts Har and Fiona, thankyou. Glad you agreed to differ. Really are two sides of two different coins there I think

Squeeze, you ask the difference between RP rape and gay-bashing. As pointed out, rather humorously (glad I'd swallowed my coffee before seeing the 'conversation') to find two consenting adults to play that scenario would be probably a lot less likely than finding willing partners for the rape-play one. That said, I think the present issue is that of depiction.

Performed on Mature sims, in plots tagged adult, behind doors, behind warning notices, thus complying with the content criteria of TOS ... fine. I hope it stays this way.

You later lumped child-sex in with them. Even depiction of this is against German law. In order to avoid Germany pulling the plug and LL losing a large portion of the population, the entire SL population have to adhere to German law ... at present. We need for the future some international agreement on just at which point from the keyboard of a user to the server in another country, does that users laws run out of jurisdiction ... but that is not for this thread... sorry

Saras experience was unfortunate. Indeed in RL falling asleep at a party is not giving consent to sex. This seems akin to date-rape. In SL it was an unfortunate combination of factors and hence not a direct comparison can be made. Squeeze, I think the gentlmanly course of action would probably have been better to perhaps apologise (in case Sara was watching the screen) and leave

So Colette wasn't a big mouth before I showed up?

Ahhhh....I've been blamed for worse.

I thought Society in general had evolved past the "blame the victim" mentality in sexual abuse.

Evidently I was mistaken.